Trumps "china virus" rhetoric fuels Asian hate crimes

taxesanddeath · April 11, 2021

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

And yet very few Hawaiian Japanese were interned, only those on the mainland. They made up almost a third of the population and were too important to the economy.

It was be'cos local authorities deliberately delayed the mass evacuation. With that, we only saw a couple thousands interned. The order to transfer all of them to internment camps was on the table.

Edited April 11, 2021 by taxesanddeath

taxesanddeath · April 11, 2021

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Most non Canadians can’t tell a Canadian from an American. Do you honestly think most Canadians could tell a Singaporean Chinese from one from China?

he said, she said. we better stay on the topic

WestCanMan · April 11, 2021

17 hours ago, Aristides said:

So was the Battle of France and the Battle of the Atlantic. No one locked up Germans.

You play stupid like a champ Aristedes, I'll give you that.

There's a huge difference between the way Japan entered the war, the massive success that they had, the power displayed by their naval fleet, the ease with which they were blowing past the American Navy, and how clear their path to Canadian soil was, vs anything that Germany had going for them in 1941/42.

The Germans were bogged down fighting Britain and Russia while Japan was just conquering everything in their way, and then committing genocide.

FYI Japan was not considered to be a real threat to Vancouver in mid-1941. That threat appeared abruptly in Dec of that year and when it did, it looked like a cavalry charge going up against light infantry. It didn't seem unlikely that the Japanese could get here in a matter of months. Germany was several years away from getting boots on the ground in Canada. Our plan for war against Germany was to keep manufacturing going here, keep Atlantic shipping lanes open, and keep sending troops to Europe. A new war in western Canada would have ended our ability to aid in the war against Germany.

You see history through the eyes of knowing the final outcome and you don't understand just how scary Dec 1941 and Jan 1942 was for people who were living in western Canada at that moment. Your understanding of history is one-dimensional and lacks knowledge and understanding.

Aristides · April 11, 2021

1 hour ago, taxesanddeath said:

he said, she said. we better stay on the topic

I am on topic.

-TSS- · April 11, 2021

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

How long are Trump supporters going to keep blaming Obama for everything?

In general it is stupid to praise or blame any president for anything. For example saying president X was a good president, he created millions of jobs, but president Y was a bad president, he destroyed the economy.

Of course that is exactly what all political debate is all about but does somebody really believe in it?

Aristides · April 11, 2021

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

You play stupid like a champ Aristedes, I'll give you that.

There's a huge difference between the way Japan entered the war, the massive success that they had, the power displayed by their naval fleet, the ease with which they were blowing past the American Navy, and how clear their path to Canadian soil was, vs anything that Germany had going for them in 1941/42.

The Germans were bogged down fighting Britain and Russia while Japan was just conquering everything in their way, and then committing genocide.

FYI Japan was not considered to be a real threat to Vancouver in mid-1941. That threat appeared abruptly in Dec of that year and when it did, it looked like a cavalry charge going up against light infantry. It didn't seem unlikely that the Japanese could get here in a matter of months. Germany was several years away from getting boots on the ground in Canada. Our plan for war against Germany was to keep manufacturing going here, keep Atlantic shipping lanes open, and keep sending troops to Europe. A new war in western Canada would have ended our ability to aid in the war against Germany.

You see history through the eyes of knowing the final outcome and you don't understand just how scary Dec 1941 and Jan 1942 was for people who were living in western Canada at that moment. Your understanding of history is one-dimensional and lacks knowledge and understanding.

Sure it was scary but it didn't justify what was done to those people. It's exactly the same mentality that is victimizing our Asian population today.

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How many Germans did we intern?

DogOnPorch · April 11, 2021

Canada handled the Germans somewhat differently of course. The majority were simply under surveillance. But that doesn't mean none were held in camps and such. The UK on the other hand ruthlessly arrested Germans and sent them to camps on the Isle of Man. Over 30,000.

Russia...well you can guess what ol' Stalin did to the Volga Germans living in the USSR.

Edited April 11, 2021 by DogOnPorch

WestCanMan · April 12, 2021

8 hours ago, Aristides said:

Sure it was scary but it didn't justify what was done to those people. It's exactly the same mentality that is victimizing our Asian population today.

Scary doesn't cut it. Watching a Hitchcock movie is scary.

The Japanese Navy was a legitimate threat to attack the west coast. They were bombing towns and airfields in Australia, they could just as easily do that in Canada.

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How many Germans did we intern?

You completely failed to show that the German Navy posed a treat to Canada similar to what the Japanese Navy did. That's because they did not.

You have no point Aristedes, just a dumb question that has already been answered.

Why didn't canada intern Syrians during the war against islamic state? Why didn't Canada intern Iraqis during Desert Storm? Why didn't Canada intern Afghanis during our engagement in that country?

You can ask stupid questions all day, that's not the same as making a point Aristedes.

DogOnPorch · April 12, 2021

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Scary doesn't cut it. Watching a Hitchcock movie is scary.

The Japanese Navy was a legitimate threat to attack the west coast. They were bombing towns and airfields in Australia, they could just as easily do that in Canada.

Yes, the IJN decimated Darwin in a day and then buggered-off. It's not just invasion places like Vancouver had to worry about. A couple of carriers and a bombardment fleet protected by a large submarine screen was pretty much a nightmare scenario circa 1942.

DogOnPorch · April 12, 2021

As far as Japanese determination, I might remind folks that it was called "Bloody Attu" when it came to "just the Aleutians."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Attu

And of course...Dutch Harbor...which was another 'classic' Japanese hit and run with carriers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dutch_Harbor

It's why Japan was a threat....they could project power in ways the Germans only could hope for.

OftenWrong · April 12, 2021

Viruses, or virii as it were, and their variants are often given a name to indicate where they were first discovered. "UK Variant",

"Brazil Variant", or Brazilian, as it were,

"South African Variant"

"China Virus"

"Swing flu"

Aristides · April 12, 2021

14 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

As far as Japanese determination, I might remind folks that it was called "Bloody Attu" when it came to "just the Aleutians."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Attu

And of course...Dutch Harbor...which was another 'classic' Japanese hit and run with carriers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dutch_Harbor

It's why Japan was a threat....they could project power in ways the Germans only could hope for.

The Aleutians were intended as a diversion from from the Midway attack and also part of their strategy to capture islands that would protect the homeland. Anything the Japanese could do to the continental US could do no more than divert resources from the western Pacific theatre.

WestCanMan · April 13, 2021

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Aleutians were intended as a diversion from from the Midway attack and also part of their strategy to capture islands that would protect the homeland. Anything the Japanese could do to the continental US could do no more than divert resources from the western Pacific theatre.

The Japanese were protecting their homeland.... wiiiiiiiith a huge pile of dead bodies?????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

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Some historical estimates of the number of deaths which resulted from Japanese war crimes range from 3^[4] to 14^[5] million through massacre, human experimentation, starvation, and forced labor that was either directly perpetrated or condoned by the Japanese military and government.

I didn't even know about this 'til now. WTF.

Seeing as it happened at least twice in the last century (Nazis), I wonder how much of that was done in the past that we just don't know about.

If it's more common than I thought I don't want to know just yet. Ignorance actually is bliss sometimes.

I forgot about this: https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm . IIRC the Americans were injecting people in hospitals with radiation and other fun things. This just went dark.

DogOnPorch · April 13, 2021

11 hours ago, Aristides said:

The Aleutians were intended as a diversion from from the Midway attack and also part of their strategy to capture islands that would protect the homeland. Anything the Japanese could do to the continental US could do no more than divert resources from the western Pacific theatre.

They could have used your ability to use hindsight to predict the future in 1942.

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The Aleutians were intended as a diversion from from the Midway attack

No kidding.

DogOnPorch · April 13, 2021

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Japanese were protecting their homeland.... wiiiiiiiith a huge pile of dead bodies?????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

I didn't even know about this 'til now. WTF.

Seeing as it happened at least twice in the last century (Nazis), I wonder how much of that was done in the past that we just don't know about.

If it's more common than I thought I don't want to know just yet. Ignorance actually is bliss sometimes.

I forgot about this: https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm . IIRC the Americans were injecting people in hospitals with radiation and other fun things. This just went dark.

Japan's war-crimes were at par with the Nazis on some levels.

The big threat in the Pacific theater was that if China fell it would free-up the massive Japanese army there for other purposes.

Japan's weak spot was its transport system. It was considered a dishonor to be sent to guard convoys in the IJN...so ASW methods were sloppy and half hearted at best. US submarines quickly became the best on the planet once they figured out their torpedo issues...so the Japanese transports, oilers, tankers, etc, sank in great droves. Never to be replaced...

Aristides · April 13, 2021

7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

They could have used your ability to use hindsight to predict the future in 1942.

No kidding.

Japan was a much greater threat to Hawaii yet very few Japanese Hawaiians were interned.

DogOnPorch · April 13, 2021

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Japan was a much greater threat to Hawaii yet very few Japanese Hawaiians were interned.

They could always swim...

WestCanMan · April 13, 2021

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

Japan was a much greater threat to Hawaii yet very few Japanese Hawaiians were interned.

I think that the Hawaiians learned some kind of a lesson from that, right, Aristedes? A lesson that people on the west coast chose to learn from maybe?

Is any of this sinking in?

Do you not understand the value of the military intelligence that the Japanese received from their spy in Hawaii? Do you think that Yamamoto just got lucky?

Edited April 13, 2021 by WestCanMan

Aristides · April 14, 2021

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I think that the Hawaiians learned some kind of a lesson from that, right, Aristedes? A lesson that people on the west coast chose to learn from maybe?

Is any of this sinking in?

Do you not understand the value of the military intelligence that the Japanese received from their spy in Hawaii? Do you think that Yamamoto just got lucky?

What did they learn, that Japanese Hawaiians weren’t that big of a threat?

Yamamoto probably learned more from the British attack on Taranto.

DogOnPorch · April 14, 2021

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What did they learn, that Japanese Hawaiians weren’t that big of a threat?

Yamamoto probably learned more from the British attack on Taranto.

Again...they can try to swim. Ever swam from Hawaii to...well...anywhere? You'll drown.

No need to lock people up on Hawaii...they KNOW where you are.

Aristides · April 14, 2021

47 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Again...they can try to swim. Ever swam from Hawaii to...well...anywhere? You'll drown.

No need to lock people up on Hawaii...they KNOW where you are.

Where do you think west coast Japanese were going to swim to?

WestCanMan · April 14, 2021

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

What did they learn, that Japanese Hawaiians weren’t that big of a threat?

Yamamoto probably learned more from the British attack on Taranto.

The pertinent facts are inside your cranium yet you refuse to acknowledge the basic reality of the situation. That's called willful ignorance.

DogOnPorch · April 14, 2021

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Where do you think west coast Japanese were going to swim to?

They were sent to the evil death camps that Rosie had set up for the Yellow peril post Day of Infamy.

You do know who started the war in the Pacific, right? Clue: it wasn't the US of A.

Infidel Dog · April 14, 2021

Another Asian attack on a woman happened, except...

Man Radicalized by ‘Asian Hate Crime’ Media Propaganda Attacks Asian Woman He Mistakenly Thought Was White

Sexually assaulted her at gunpoint in “in retaliation for the rise in hate crimes against Asian people.”

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Over the past few months, the media has tried to contrive a narrative that white people are responsible for a rise in hate crime attacks against Asian-Americans.

In reality, figures show white people are underrepresented per capita in attacks against Asians.

As the Washington Examiner highlights, citing FBI statistics, whereas whites comprise 62% of the population, they committed 24% of crimes against Asians in 2018.

In comparison, blacks, who comprise 13% of the population, committed 27.5% of all violent crimes against Asian Americans in 2018.

In addition, out of a spate of recent high profile hate crime attacks on Asians, virtually all the culprits are black males.

The victim attacked by Rhee was lucky she wasn’t seriously hurt.

37-year-old Michael Sangbong Rhee was arrested by police in Lake Forest, California after he allegedly attacked a woman, who turned out to be Asian, “in retaliation for the rise in hate crimes against Asian people.”