DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Gee, I didn't know there was such great fishing in Pearl Harbor and the navy would let you do it. LOL Learn something every day. Imperial Japan had a vigorous espionage operation on all US holdings in the Pacific as well as the United States. All in the effort to keep the location of the various elements of the US Navy under surveillance. You're free to think that they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Imperial Japan had a vigorous espionage operation on all US holdings in the Pacific as well as the United States. All in the effort to keep the location of the various elements of the US Navy under surveillance. You're free to think that they didn't. I don't doubt it, everyone has spies. I just get a kick out of the idea the US navy would allow commercial fishing by foreign nationals inside one of their largest naval bases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 The ironic part to the Japanese espionage activities is that they could find little traction within the Japanese-American community and complained to their bosses of it...all while the USA and Canada were overreacting by interring entire communities on the West Coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: What is often left out of this tale of mass suffering is that there were certain elements in the Japanese diaspora that WERE sending intelligence back to Imperial Japan. Less so in Canada...but 5th column Japanese fishermen were instrumental in sounding the depths of Pearl Harbor for the IJN's shallow water torpedoes. This set off the internment fiasco. When you consider what the Japanese did to the Chinese (estimates are that they massacred a minimum of 300,000 people, but if you include forced labour deaths it could be as many as 10M deaths on the high end), internment camps were a very pleasant alternative. German and Italian Canadians didn't suffer the same fate as Japanese Canadians did, but the Germans and Italians didn't just blow through Pearl Harbour with a free shot at the west coast either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 Just now, WestCanMan said: When you consider what the Japanese did to the Chinese (estimates are that they massacred a minimum of 300,000 people, but if you include forced labour deaths it could be as many as 10M deaths on the high end), internment camps were a very pleasant alternative. German and Italian Canadians didn't suffer the same fate as Japanese Canadians did, but the Germans and Italians didn't just blow through Pearl Harbour with a free shot at the west coast either. Japanese and Chinese have historical differences few North Americans can fathom. Kamikaze...for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Aristides said: I don't doubt it, everyone has spies. I just get a kick out of the idea the US navy would allow commercial fishing by foreign nationals inside one of their largest naval bases. Hawaii had a large Japanese population at the time. If you're familiar with the place's history, people arrived in waves for various reasons. The IJN needed a shallow water torpedo...which didn't exist at the time...in order to launch the attack. Engineers needed exact measurements of what they were up against in order to not have the torpedoes bury themselves into the bottom of the harbor upon release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Typical of Japan's spies in Hawaii...circa 1940-41. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa Includes interview w/ Takeo... Edited April 10, 2021 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Germany had all kinds of spies in England and eastern North America, we detain German Canadians except for the most suspect. Edited April 10, 2021 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: What is often left out of this tale of mass suffering is that there were certain elements in the Japanese diaspora that WERE sending intelligence back to Imperial Japan. Less so in Canada...but 5th column Japanese fishermen were instrumental in sounding the depths of Pearl Harbor for the IJN's shallow water torpedoes. This set off the internment fiasco. Somehow reminiscent of that time when thousands of ordinary chinese people were accused of shipping all the masks and other PPE from our stores to China. That wasn't very nice of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: When you consider what the Japanese did to the Chinese (estimates are that they massacred a minimum of 300,000 people, but if you include forced labour deaths it could be as many as 10M deaths on the high end), internment camps were a very pleasant alternative. German and Italian Canadians didn't suffer the same fate as Japanese Canadians did, but the Germans and Italians didn't just blow through Pearl Harbour with a free shot at the west coast either. The Japanese didn't get any closer to the west coast than the Aleutians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Japanese and Chinese have historical differences few North Americans can fathom. Kamikaze...for example. So you are saying Japanese and Chinese can never be real Canadians regardless of how many generations removed. Sounds kind of racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: When you consider what the Japanese did to the Chinese (estimates are that they massacred a minimum of 300,000 people, but if you include forced labour deaths it could be as many as 10M deaths on the high end), internment camps were a very pleasant alternative. German and Italian Canadians didn't suffer the same fate as Japanese Canadians did, but the Germans and Italians didn't just blow through Pearl Harbour with a free shot at the west coast either. What about the millions who died in German camps and were executed by einsatsgruppen? Germany was a far greater threat to Canada than Japan. U Boats wreaked havoc in the St. Laurence and they operated a clandestine weather station in northern Labrador. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Blaming China for the virus, which we should do, doesn't mean a person is culpable for hate-crimes. Trump never told anyone to hate on asian-Americans or blame them for anything. He just told people to hate the CCP because of what they did. Exactly. There’s plenty to criticize Trump about. This isn’t one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Ya, like Canadian born citizens of Japanese descent were responsible for Pearl Harbor. I don't know where your ancestors came from but I guess you would be fine with getting beat up because of something that happened in that country. Another non-sequitur. You’re not making any sense. Are you saying that Japan was responsible for pearl habour? How dare you! Somebody might attack an Asian person because of that rhetoric! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, dialamah said: Rhetoric like "it's their fault" is where it starts. It takes a bit of time for a groundswell of hate and racism to build enough for a government to take action against a group. Anyway, I was merely commenting on how my eyes have been opened as to how much hate exists in Canada and the States; I used to think we were much farther ahead of certain third world countries in that regard. Fortunately, we have a Liberal gov and so it's unlikely that conservative tribalism will lead us into such government-sanctioned persecution. But it IS China’s fault. That’s not rhetoric, it’s the truth. What somebody does with the truth, right or wrong is irrelevant. Somebody that breaks the law and attacks somebody else should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But you don’t stop speaking the truth because of certain people’s actions. What is wrong with you people? JFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 Maybe if we started attacking Russian immigrants, libtards would finally stop talking about Russian interference! ?? Probably not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 40 minutes ago, Aristides said: The Japanese didn't get any closer to the west coast than the Aleutians. I heard that the Americans were pretty surprised to find out that most of the Japanese Navy was attacking Pearl Harbour without a declaration of war. It didn't make much sense to remain unprepared after such a decisive loss, and whatever preparations were being made to defend the west coast, I'm sure that they didn't want the Japanese Navy to have all the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: What about the millions who died in German camps and were executed by einsatsgruppen? Germany was a far greater threat to Canada than Japan. U Boats wreaked havoc in the St. Laurence and they operated a clandestine weather station in northern Labrador. I never said that Hitler's [Mao's, Yahya Khan's, Stalin's, Pol Pt's, etc] army was any nicer than Tojo's, but I don't recall any German/Chinese/Pakistani/Russian/Cambodian surprise attacks on North American bases that were anything like Pearl Harbour. The Japanese Navy in the Pacific after Dec 7th 1941 was superior to America's. America actually got a bit lucky to turn the tide of war in the Pacific the way they did.The Germans were never in a position of dominance like that in the Atlantic at any time during the war. And no doubt you're aware that Canadians were really happy to kill Nazis? Do you feel like we went easy on them because they were white? Do you think we'd go easy on Nazi sympathizers if the German Navy was bearing down on us like the Japanese Navy appeared to be at the end of 1941? Kinda weird to make that assumption. Edited April 10, 2021 by WestCanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Shady said: But it IS China’s fault. That’s not rhetoric, it’s the truth. What somebody does with the truth, right or wrong is irrelevant. Somebody that breaks the law and attacks somebody else should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But you don’t stop speaking the truth because of certain people’s actions. What is wrong with you people? JFC China was so guilty it's insane. They blocked people from Wuhan from going anywhere else in China but they insisted that other countries let them in. They even had their toadies in the WHO cry foul when Trump stopped them. Even our own [worthless or traitorous, take your pick] government called Trump's decision to stop them from coming in racist. Then we sent China our PPE and they sent us back rubbish. Still, all the leftist dolts in North America pile on Trump and support China and the WHO lol. I swear that Hitler would have had strong allies in the Dems and Liberals if he had just started his war 80 years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: I never said that Hitler's [Mao's, Yahya Khan's, Stalin's, Pol Pt's, etc] army was any nicer than Tojo's, but I don't recall any German/Chinese/Pakistani/Russian/Cambodian surprise attacks on North American bases that were anything like Pearl Harbour. The Japanese Navy in the Pacific after Dec 7th 1941 was superior to America's. America actually got a bit lucky to turn the tide of war in the Pacific the way they did.The Germans were never in a position of dominance like that in the Atlantic at any time during the war. And no doubt you're aware that Canadians were really happy to kill Nazis? Do you feel like we went easy on them because they were white? Do you think we'd go easy on Nazi sympathizers if the German Navy was bering down on us like the Japanese Navy appeared to be at the end of 1941? Kinda weird to make that assumption. Did the Brits put everyone of German and Italian origin in camps even though the Germans were 20 miles away bombing the crap out of them and preparing to invade? Germany almost won the Battle of the Atlantic which would have come close to winning them the war, or at least taking Britain and the US out of the European war. You ain't going to invade fortress Europe from Halifax or Manhattan. The Japanese navy may have been superior to the US for a short time but at no time were the Japanese ever a threat to invade the continental US. The Japanese were happy to kill NAZI's as well, the Nisei battalions were some of the highest decorated in the US army. Let's cut to the chase here guys. What you are really saying is given a choice between race and country, people will always choose race. https://www.hhhistory.com/2019/05/the-nisei-americas-442nd-wwii-battalion.html Edited April 10, 2021 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Aristides said: Let's cut to the chase here guys. What you are really saying is given a choice between race and country, people will always choose race. Leftists, hell yeah. You guys are race-baiting 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Aristides said: So you are saying Japanese and Chinese can never be real Canadians regardless of how many generations removed. Sounds kind of racist. ? Keep your racism to yourself, sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Aristides said: What about the millions who died in German camps and were executed by einsatsgruppen? Germany was a far greater threat to Canada than Japan. U Boats wreaked havoc in the St. Laurence and they operated a clandestine weather station in northern Labrador. Japanese submarines and balloon bombs were a WW2 reality on the West Coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Japanese submarines and balloon bombs were a WW2 reality on the West Coast. Ya, paper balloons they hoped would start forest fires and subs fired a few shots at coastal installations. Some threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 10, 2021 Report Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Leftists, hell yeah. You guys are race-baiting 24/7. Don't have too. It's the only explanation. Edited April 10, 2021 by Aristides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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