The Lawsuits

[Petros]

3 hours ago, 366h34d said:

When was the #metoo movement began? Is it around that time? Anyway, when I said #metoo, I mean it was those "he said she said."  I am sorry that I did not make myself clear. Then, as for Biden, c'mon man, you cannot do that. That is Sarah Silverman's logic

Those cases belittle the #metoo movement. I hated it. It could be a beautiful movement, just saying.  Anyway, it don't really matter now. The movement turned into a leftist's own piggy bank

People tend to be creatures of habit. There are millions of men out there who are accused of doing or acting inappropriately once or twice in their lifetimes. However, it could be a misunderstanding or a complete fabrication.  Men, especially wealthy powerful men often can do this and get away with it repeatedly, until they become chronic abusers. It's easy to discredit one or two instances of this kind of behavior, but 28???

Additionally, Trump in his own words, has bragged about his groping of Women on tape, when the Access Hollywood video came out. So it's not a stretch to say these women are being truthful. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

[366h34d]

23 minutes ago, Petros said:

People tend to be creatures of habit. There are millions of men out there who are accused of doing or acting inappropriately once or twice in their lifetimes. However, it could be a misunderstanding or a complete fabrication.  Men, especially wealthy powerful men often can do this and get away with it repeatedly, until they become chronic abusers. It's easy to discredit one or two instances of this kind of behavior, but 28???

Additionally, Trump in his own words, has bragged about his groping of Women on tape, when the Access Hollywood video came out. So it's not a stretch to say these women are being truthful. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

My fd, whatnever you said, I am not a trump supporter, and I think he is an big month SOB. Then, sometimes, I find some haters are worse than Trump. Don't know may be trump conned them before

 

BTW, today is the day. may be finally, this thread can be locked.

Edited December 14, 2020 by 366h34d

[Boges]

So, assuming legions of faithless electors don't give the election to Trump today, this pretty much ends today and even though Trump won't concede, he'll have to admit he's not going to POTUS anymore. 

If there was some smoking gun evidence of widespread voter fraud, it would have been presented in a court of law and a judge, any judge would have ruled in favour of Trump. 

Even SCOTUS won't hear the cases for overturning the election. 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

So, assuming legions of faithless electors don't give the election to Trump today, this pretty much ends today

 

 

No, it does not end today.

Congress still has to count and certify the EC votes in January.

Joe Biden will not become president until he is officially sworn in at inauguration.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No, it does not end today.

Congress still has to count and certify the EC votes in January.

Joe Biden will not become president until he is officially sworn in at inauguration.

OK but considering that the Dems control Congress, there's little but procedural complaining that can be done to stop said inauguration from happening. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

OK but considering that the Dems control Congress, there's little but procedural complaining that can be done to stop said inauguration from happening. 

 

Dems do not control Congress...just the House.

The EC vote is certified by a joint session of Congress, which includes the U.S. Senate.

 

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Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15

 

[Boges]

It is interesting that, it seems, the only thing keeping Trump from being POTUS after Jan 20 is that people did their duty in the name of democracy. There were a litany of avenues that could have been followed down to have this election overturned. 

If it wasn't for legislators and judges who refused to hold water for Trump, this could have been much different. Many faced a lot of undue pressure for their decisions. 

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Dems do not control Congress...just the House.

The EC vote is certified by a joint session of Congress, which includes the U.S. Senate.

But Senators don't have more sway than individual congressmen correct? 

How could that session end up with Trump winning the election? 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

It is interesting that, it seems, the only thing keeping Trump from being POTUS after Jan 20 is that people did their duty in the name of democracy. There were a litany of avenues that could have been followed down to have this election overturned.

 

Trump (and the GOP) has every legal right to pursue litigation, same as the Democrats.

George W. Bush had to sue Al Gore to get the correct election outcome in 2000 because of Florida, which Bush won by about 600 votes.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trump (and the GOP) has every legal right to pursue litigation, same as the Democrats.

George W. Bush had to sue Al Gore to get the correct election outcome in 2000 because of Florida, which Bush won by about 600 votes.

Which they have done a lot of.

And done a lot of losing. 

Including at the Supreme Court packed with Trump appointments. 

The more seedy tactic is to just have legislatures overturn the results. Which, assuming some huge surprise today, will have also failed. 

[Argus]

19 hours ago, sharkman said:

THE FBI IS INVESTIGATING HUNTER BIDEN.  THAT'S.  THE.  F.B.I.

Tell me, will you post a similar breathless big shout when the FBI starts investigating Donald Trump and his entire family?  Because I'm guessing that instead you'll be screeching about how the democrats have corrupted them and are cruelly and unjustly investigating your beloved god who is innocent of all wrongdoing.

19 hours ago, sharkman said:

 It was all shut down by claiming it was Russia and Guiliani.

Because it was. But you don't care. You'd side with Satan if it would get your beloved orange god back into power.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

But Senators don't have more sway than individual congressmen correct? 

How could that session end up with Trump winning the election? 

 

Read the law in the link...Congress will not certify the EC vote if there are issues with the state EC votes/electors.

 

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When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Which they have done a lot of.

And done a lot of losing. 

Including at the Supreme Court packed with Trump appointments. 

The more seedy tactic is to just have legislatures overturn the results. Which, assuming some huge surprise today, will have also failed. 

 

It is their right to do so, under the law.

Trump did win on some filings.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It is their right to do so, under the law.

Trump did win on some filings.

Inconsequential ones. 

[366h34d]

14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, it does not end today.

Congress still has to count and certify the EC votes in January.

Joe Biden will not become president until he is officially sworn in at inauguration.

If George W. Bush can get the count, Trump is done now. The only issue is that who will officially sworn in next month 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Inconsequential ones. 

 

A win is a win...and Trump has Americans (and lots of Canadians) still talking about him, which is the real goal.

Did you think Trump was just going to fade away ?

[Boges]

From this article. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/11/23/can-congress-interfere-with-bidens-electoral-win-probably-not/?sh=783b9a6e5c04

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This idea is next to impossible: At least one Senator and one Representative will need to object in order to force a vote, and electors cannot be tossed out unless the Senate and the House — which are controlled by different parties — both somehow vote in favor of rejection, a tall order because few elected Republicans have indicated support for a strategy that would effectively usurp voters’ choices.

Rejecting electors on political grounds is also a tough sell from a legal perspective, experts say, because federal law generally promises to accept any electors that were “lawfully certified” by states, and there is little reason to believe any states will fail to choose legal slates of electors in time for the federally mandated Dec. 8 deadline.

 

 

[Argus]

23 minutes ago, Boges said:

So, assuming legions of faithless electors don't give the election to Trump today, this pretty much ends today and even though Trump won't concede, he'll have to admit he's not going to POTUS anymore.

Trump is not planning on going away. The Republican Party remains totally under his control, with congressmen, senators and governors trembling in fear of him sending a mean tweet their way. They are victims of their own gerrymandering efforts over the years. Districts in Republican states are so heavily gerrymandered that the congressmen who run in them don't ever have to worry about elections. They only need to worry about other Republicans in the primaries. This is what has driven them relentlessly further and further to the right. They all fear being primaried by someone who accuses them of being too 'liberal', whatever that means down there.

He has already succeeded in bending the Republican Party to his will and concocting an animating cause for his post-presidency: a grievance-fueled campaign against Biden and the Democrats he accuses of stealing the election — as well as against any Republicans who didn’t bend the rules the way he wanted.

 

“As a legal matter, it’s been a farce — but as a political matter, it’s been quite successful,” Bill Kristol, a leader of the GOP dissidents known as “never Trumpers,” told me. “It’s given Trump a means of maintaining control of the party despite having lost the election. That’s not what usually happens when a candidate loses.”

Instead of receding into retirement like most former presidents, Trump now has a crusade around which he can continue to raise money and ensure that the party remains in his control.

He can wage a shadow presidency from Mar-a-Lago, dispensing support to Republicans he likes and sponsoring primary challenges against those he doesn’t.

That’s bad news for Republican moderates and other dissidents who hoped to steer their party away from Trump’s quasi-autocratic populism.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-12-13/trump-has-changed-tactics-in-his-election-fight-his-new-approach-is-more-dangerous

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

A win is a win...and Trump has Americans (and lots of Canadians) still talking about him, which is the real goal.

Did you think Trump was just going to fade away ?

I totally agree. This was never about staying POTUS. It's a huge grift to stay relevant in the GOP and to raise money. 

He'll need the money, he's deep in debt and New York will love to sink their teeth in him once the DOJ can't protect him anymore. 

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

A win is a win...and Trump has Americans (and lots of Canadians) still talking about him, which is the real goal.

Did you think Trump was just going to fade away ?

After January 20 yes.  Just like my rollerblades. 

[Boges]

Just now, Argus said:

Trump is not planning on going away. The Republican Party remains totally under his control, with congressmen, senators and governors trembling in fear of him sending a mean tweet their way. They are victims of their own gerrymandering efforts over the years. Districts in Republican states are so heavily gerrymandered that the congressmen who run in them don't ever have to worry about elections. They only need to worry about other Republicans in the primaries. This is what has driven them relentlessly further and further to the right. They all fear being primaried by someone who accuses them of being too 'liberal', whatever that means down there.

He has already succeeded in bending the Republican Party to his will and concocting an animating cause for his post-presidency: a grievance-fueled campaign against Biden and the Democrats he accuses of stealing the election — as well as against any Republicans who didn’t bend the rules the way he wanted.

 

“As a legal matter, it’s been a farce — but as a political matter, it’s been quite successful,” Bill Kristol, a leader of the GOP dissidents known as “never Trumpers,” told me. “It’s given Trump a means of maintaining control of the party despite having lost the election. That’s not what usually happens when a candidate loses.”

Instead of receding into retirement like most former presidents, Trump now has a crusade around which he can continue to raise money and ensure that the party remains in his control.

He can wage a shadow presidency from Mar-a-Lago, dispensing support to Republicans he likes and sponsoring primary challenges against those he doesn’t.

That’s bad news for Republican moderates and other dissidents who hoped to steer their party away from Trump’s quasi-autocratic populism.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-12-13/trump-has-changed-tactics-in-his-election-fight-his-new-approach-is-more-dangerous

Again, totally agree. The GOP is screwed. 

I contend they'll never win a popular vote ever again. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

After January 20 yes.  Just like my rollerblades. 

 

I doubt that...Trump is going to keep banging the fake news gong...and try to be the biggest pain in the ass for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Ex-presidents use to keep their mouths shut, but Obama/Bush broke that rule.

[Argus]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Ex-presidents use to keep their mouths shut, but Obama/Bush broke that rule.

Don't be a hypocrite. Ex-presidents kept their mouths shut, but sitting presidents didn't continue to attack them in their retirement, month after month and year after year. Trump broke the rule. As he breaks everything.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Argus said:

Don't be a hypocrite. Ex-presidents kept their mouths shut, but sitting presidents didn't continue to attack them in their retirement, month after month and year after year. Trump broke the rule. As he breaks everything.

 

Wrong...Trump was attacked even before he became president.

Payback is a bitch !

[Argus]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Again, totally agree. The GOP is screwed. 

I contend they'll never win a popular vote ever again. 

They don't need to win the popular vote to get into power again. Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016. Now Michigan will likely be lost to them after this because of a long, difficult effort made by Michigan citizens to change the state constitution and allow a non-partisan group to set congressional district borders. All the gerrymandering which has allowed the Republicans to control that state's legislature will be swept away and with it their majorities. But there are still other big states, like Pennsylvania, which have heavy gerrymandering allowing a minority of the voters to put the Republicans in control.