betsy Posted June 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, taxme said: It's just more of an excuse for the likes of comrade Pravda CBC or CTV to promote more anti-white racism and hatred. The globalist communists are rubbing their gleeful hands and enjoying the mass mayhem and confusion that they have been allowed to create. Unless you can convince and show me otherwise than this is what I believe is going on today. Of course it's being used. What isn't going to be used? Lol. Majority of Canadians are socialist-leaning or downright socialist! That's where we're headed if not already on its doorsteps as we speak. Governments are cowed by protests! But having said that, we should call out unnecessary brutality from the cops! Unnecessary brutality is feeding to the fires that's already raging, and it seems to legitimize and justifies the mayhem..........among other things! Lol, you can't expect people to be on the side of law enforcers when they see cops behaving like thugs! Some rotten apples have to be weeded out. Edited June 17, 2020 by betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Moonbox said: There's no doubt the Chief behaved poorly and stupidly, but then the second officer's reaction was heavy-handed and the punch from above to the side of the chief's head, after he was down and being held by TWO much larger men was excessive. This appears to be a case of the officers getting frustrated and taking it out on the man, rather than being an appropriate response. If the training supports that use of force - for tackling a man to the ground and then punching him in the face because he's acting upset and not calmly accepting have his arms twisted behind his back, then that needs to be changed. The punch while the guy was down seals is what really frames the whole interaction. You could even argue that the tackle wasn't that bad, and they tripped up with each other when they went down. The punch is what makes it look like the second cop was out for trouble. Look again at the punch. You have it all figured out. When subduing a man resisting do you kiss him? You are the expert on close in force, what should he have done? What were you trained to do? Have you ever been bitten? You have any idea what it is like to hold someone down resisting? Of course not. You assume you know. What is your training? Edited June 17, 2020 by Rue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: The first officer called for backup. I'm assuming when dispatch sent the message there's a code as to what's going on and how to handle it. For example if the suspect seems willing to or is resisting arrest the message might say something like "Blah blah blah, number and street. See Adam 12. Handle code 2." That's the way it's done on the TV show I watch anyway. The code refers only how quickly to respond not force to be used. The e dispatcher is not trained on how much force to use nor could they see anything to be able to be able to make such a call. Your lack of basic intelligence to understand the above speaks for itself. Then you claim your police expertise comes from watching tv but demonstrate you can not even understand what you think you see on tv. Oh I bet it all sounds .."Something like blah blah blah" to you. Genius. Edited June 17, 2020 by Rue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, Rue said: You will all be happy to know another tape was released. This one last night shows a take down of an aboriginal where a cop ran and slid in with his knee to the suspect's neck after the slide. That one looked pretty bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 11:53 AM, betsy said: I was curious that Scheer say he's so disrurbed by the arrest of Chief Allan Adam, so I looked it up on youtube. I can't understand what's being said in that video - and what the issue was. But from what I can see - it's the chief that was quite aggressive. What are cops to do when someone is resisting arrest? Can someone please explain to me what I'm missing from that video. Maybe because he's getting so much grief from a cop for an expired sticker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boges said: Maybe because he's getting so much grief from a cop for an expired sticker. Why would you think a police officer should not stop someone with an expired plate and because they do that you would bd entitled you to carry on screaming, swearing, threatening? What do you think the Chief was doing? Get real man. Edited June 17, 2020 by Rue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Rue said: Look again at the punch. You have it all figured out. When subduing a man resisting do you kiss him? You are the expert on close in force, what should he have done? What were you trained to do? Have you ever been bitten? You have any idea what it is like to hold someone down resisting? Of course not. You assume you know. What is your training? Kiss him? Was that the only alternative? Come on Rue... The man was in no position to bite anyone. He was facing the wrong direction, had no leverage and had two much larger men on top of him. I imagine police training would instruct them not to hold their hands and arms in front of a subject's chompers, and everything they do is about gaining and taking away leverage - that's why suspects go face down on the ground, get a knee on their back (hopefully not neck) and their arms pulled behind them. I can't say I really know what police training is all about, but if THIS is what officers are trained to do, then police procedures are in sore need of updating. I understand that it's a dangerous job and we don't want our officers taking unnecessary risk, but I think present circumstances have highlighted that the police have been given FAR too much leeway in determining when to use this sort of force. These procedures WILL get updated, and the police unions will finally be taken down a peg, and we won't fall into lawlessness despite what some folk seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 hours ago, betsy said: Of course it's being used. What isn't going to be used? Lol. Majority of Canadians are socialist-leaning or downright socialist! That's where we're headed if not already on its doorsteps as we speak. Governments are cowed by protests! But having said that, we should call out unnecessary brutality from the cops! Unnecessary brutality is feeding to the fires that's already raging, and it seems to legitimize and justifies the mayhem..........among other things! Lol, you can't expect people to be on the side of law enforcers when they see cops behaving like thugs! Some rotten apples have to be weeded out. The only time that I have ever seen the police use force is when some guy/gal tries to fight the police. I have never ever seen any brutality being committed by the police when they just walk up to someone and just talk to anyone. It's only going to end up looking like brutality when someone tries to fight the police. Those two black criminals ended up dead because they were already known as criminals and they have had many dealings with the police in the past. The cops already know who they were dealing with. Be courteous with the police and they will be courteous with whomever they come into contact with. If they are going to arrest someone then that someone would best not fight back. If one does well too bad for them if they get hurt or shot. Just my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Boges said: Maybe because he's getting so much grief from a cop for an expired sticker. The Indian chief was stopped for having an expired sticker. It was not the cops fault that the idiot chief was driving around with expired plates. The chief committed a motor vehicle act offence and was stopped for it. Instead of just accepting what he had done, he just wanted to fight back. I guess that he must have thought that him being an Indian chief that should get him off the hook. Well, has the chief found out, it did not. Maybe next time the chief will obey the law like the rest of us non-Indians have to do also. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: Kiss him? Was that the only alternative? Come on Rue... The man was in no position to bite anyone. He was facing the wrong direction, had no leverage and had two much larger men on top of him. I imagine police training would instruct them not to hold their hands and arms in front of a subject's chompers, and everything they do is about gaining and taking away leverage - that's why suspects go face down on the ground, get a knee on their back (hopefully not neck) and their arms pulled behind them. I can't say I really know what police training is all about, but if THIS is what officers are trained to do, then police procedures are in sore need of updating. I understand that it's a dangerous job and we don't want our officers taking unnecessary risk, but I think present circumstances have highlighted that the police have been given FAR too much leeway in determining when to use this sort of force. These procedures WILL get updated, and the police unions will finally be taken down a peg, and we won't fall into lawlessness despite what some folk seem to think. Defunding or abolishing the police is not the answer. It's total bull shit to want to do so. A cop in training is not taught to be a racist during their training. The only reason as to why you can pretty much walk the streets safely is because we have the police. Take them away and you no doubt will never want to leave your home again. Or you will have to go buy a gun to defend yourself. Of course there would no reason for you to go out at all because all stores will be closed. I can see a lot of dead bodies lying around if there were no police. The hatred that is being heaped on all police forces these days is being done by a bunch of Soros Antifa communist red guard thugs who are trying to overthrow our capitalist system and replace it with a communist system. We are all now a part of an experiment by the deep state globalists, our comrade politicians, our Pravda controlled media, and our so called health officials. They are using a fake virus and BLM protests to push and see how far they can go with their communist agendas and goals. So far they are succeeding because of the many stupid fools out there who are still going along with this virus hoax, and believe that these now high jacked BLM protests are all about fighting racism. It's communism. Believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: Kiss him? Was that the only alternative? Come on Rue... The man was in no position to bite anyone. He was facing the wrong direction, had no leverage and had two much larger men on top of him. I imagine police training would instruct them not to hold their hands and arms in front of a subject's chompers, and everything they do is about gaining and taking away leverage - that's why suspects go face down on the ground, get a knee on their back (hopefully not neck) and their arms pulled behind them. I can't say I really know what police training is all about, but if THIS is what officers are trained to do, then police procedures are in sore need of updating. I understand that it's a dangerous job and we don't want our officers taking unnecessary risk, but I think present circumstances have highlighted that the police have been given FAR too much leeway in determining when to use this sort of force. These procedures WILL get updated, and the police unions will finally be taken down a peg, and we won't fall into lawlessness despite what some folk seem to think. DO you think that the chief would have just allowed them to cuff him, with out using force, I don't think so he's had to much to drink, and things have progress way past just getting in the car...So the question is how much force do you use.....since we've already established kissing is not going to be enough, what ever force is used it needs to be done quickly and in most cases quickly also means violently, dragging it out there is more chance of someone really getting hurt.. Any force is not going to look pretty, police still use batons or metal sticks try wailing on someone to compile and make that look pretty... maybe a large metal flashlight....if your on the side lines it is going to look brutal, and now days everyone has a cell phone... This is not about police forces getting updated, this is about police forces adapting to the violence they face on the streets, hence military grade carbines, armoured swat vehs, etc, Sad really, that we the people are calling for their budgets to be used on something else, because of a few bad apples on the police force, and a whole shit ton of bad guys instead we have abandoned them, vilified them, they are our new enemy. no wonder police are quitting in record numbers, this is not how we make change...we have to show some common sense, we need policing we are not adult enough to live without it, see Seattle if your in doubt.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Boges said: Maybe because he's getting so much grief from a cop for an expired sticker. So you think that natives and other minorities should be exempt from normal policing the rest of us are subjected to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted June 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, taxme said: The only time that I have ever seen the police use force is when some guy/gal tries to fight the police. I have never ever seen any brutality being committed by the police when they just walk up to someone and just talk to anyone. It's only going to end up looking like brutality when someone tries to fight the police. Those two black criminals ended up dead because they were already known as criminals and they have had many dealings with the police in the past. The cops already know who they were dealing with. Be courteous with the police and they will be courteous with whomever they come into contact with. If they are going to arrest someone then that someone would best not fight back. If one does well too bad for them if they get hurt or shot. Just my opinion of course. Well, what I saw was unnecessary brutality. I had also seen that old video of a cop slamming a handcuffed woman's face on the hood of a car. Was she white, black, asian, aboriginal - does that matter? That could've been me! Or, anyone of us! Unfortunate enough to run into a thug! In my opinion, it's better for everyone - including the cops - to call out unnecessary brutality when we see it. The good cops could be in a difficult position - how do you rat on your partner? What are the consequences of ratting out on your partner? Or, another cop? Especially, when the bad cop has more experience and been on the force longer than they are. I could put myself in the shoes of the cops who were with Chauvin the day he murdered Floyd. I think one of them was just new - a few days on that job. Pressure from the public will help a lot. Edited June 18, 2020 by betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 15 hours ago, Argus said: So you think that natives and other minorities should be exempt from normal policing the rest of us are subjected to? I think when the initiating factor of the stop was an expired sticker, the result shouldn't be a ragdoll tackle and a punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Boges said: I think when the initiating factor of the stop was an expired sticker, the result shouldn't be a ragdoll tackle and a punch. It shouldn’t be. But that was a result of the behaviour of the perpetrator. If you act normal, or even close to normal, there’s never an issue. When are people going to start taking responsibility for their actions? We’ve got a lot of domestic chicken hawks in this thread as well. You know what? Go apply to be a police officer, and show us all how it’s done. I’m sure you’ll do great. Until then, STFU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Shady said: It shouldn’t be. But that was a result of the behaviour of the perpetrator. If you act normal, or even close to normal, there’s never an issue. When are people going to start taking responsibility for their actions? We’ve got a lot of domestic chicken hawks in this thread as well. You know what? Go apply to be a police officer, and show us all how it’s done. I’m sure you’ll do great. Until then, STFU. Cops are public servants. Conservatives keep forgetting that. They work for the public, so we have every right to have an onion on what they do. If the penalty for not being complete appreciate of a cop is getting assaulted or worse, then I can totally understand why the police are taking a beating in public opinion right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Boges said: Cops are public servants. Conservatives keep forgetting that. They work for the public, so we have every right to have an onion on what they do. If the penalty for not being complete appreciate of a cop is getting assaulted or worse, then I can totally understand why the police are taking a beating in public opinion right now. Discussions as to appropriate police training or use of force are not a conservative or liberal partisan issue. You lump all conservatives in a ridiculous generalization and therein lies the problem I have with you, me for that matter, anyone when we discuss police. We are all making assumptions and generalizations after the fact. Adding to it is trying to suggest it has partisan definitions. That is illogical and not helpful. You want outrage take a look at a tape today from Calgary of a sex predator in and out of the system 55 times randomly walking down the street and pushing at an old lady who falls and bangs her head. Luckily he was arrested without incident. We live in a world full of unstable people. To think any of us know what reasonable force is in any given situation is arrogant. Sure we comment after the fact on forums and have discussions. Of course but come on this is not left or right politics. This is about having subjective perceptions after the fact of what you and I see on cell phones now broadcasting to the media. Its a world of instant reporting and none of us know how much the cell phone captured in the entire incident and some of us like to add in our subjective projections and assumptions especially now Floyd triggered a floodgate of concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 52 minutes ago, Shady said: It shouldn’t be. But that was a result of the behaviour of the perpetrator. If you act normal, or even close to normal, there’s never an issue. When are people going to start taking responsibility for their actions? We’ve got a lot of domestic chicken hawks in this thread as well. You know what? Go apply to be a police officer, and show us all how it’s done. I’m sure you’ll do great. Until then, STFU. I gotta say, I like everyone else comment after the fact on what we see in cell videos. We have to remember we may not have seen everything or we often project onto what we see preconceived ideas. You know I am only giving subjective opinions. I give you and Wes the other side of the argument at times but I agree there are two sides at least if not more to every incident and some people are completely ignoring or detaching the actions of the perpetrator or suspect from the cause and effect they trigger. That is a valid criticism. We do have a tendency after an incident to form angry lunch mobs. It is human nature. I am old enough to remember Robert F. Kennedy talking to rioting people after MLK was killed. I remember that as much as I remember MLK in our synagogue in Montreal talking about rising above anger and reaching out to people we think are our enemy. Leaders like that are needed now. In the US, they need some young Americans willing to get into politics in spite of all the corruption they might see. Easier said than done. You need to be a millionaire and then some to run for politics these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, betsy said: Well, what I saw was unnecessary brutality. I had also seen that old video of a cop slamming a handcuffed woman's face on the hood of a car. Was she white, black, asian, aboriginal - does that matter? That could've been me! Or, anyone of us! Unfortunate enough to run into a thug! In my opinion, it's better for everyone - including the cops - to call out unnecessary brutality when we see it. The good cops could be in a difficult position - how do you rat on your partner? What are the consequences of ratting out on your partner? Or, another cop? Especially, when the bad cop has more experience and been on the force longer than they are. I could put myself in the shoes of the cops who were with Chauvin the day he murdered Floyd. I think one of them was just new - a few days on that job. Pressure from the public will help a lot. Police brutality or excessive force yes must be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Here are some stats about the RCMP, I think some of the posters should take a step back and read before being so judgmental about how the police conduct themselves. you need to read the link and judge for yourself.... 2.8 million calls and interactions with Canadians and 99.9 % have good results.... sounds like a police department that is out of control to me, if the RCMP is full of systemic racism, then so is every department in Canada, so is the entire country... why are we honed in on just one department ? No One is disputing the fact that there is a few racists in the RCMP, or those that use excessive force on repeated occasions, I think we can all agree those guys need to be weeded out... But according to these stats or report card, they don't deserve to be defunded, they need to be thanked for being on the job and for the most part keeping us safe... once again Canadians are jumping to conclusions, much like firearms... Quote A spokesperson for the force said officers respond to roughly 2.8 million calls for service each year and, on average, RCMP officers have pointed guns at individuals more than 5,000 times over the past three years. "This indicates that approximately 99.9 per cent of RCMP encounters are resolved naturally or successfully de-escalated by officers without the need for police intervention," said Cpl. Caroline Duval in an email. The RCMP's internal subject behaviour/officer response database, released to CBC News, says that from 2017 to 2019, officers were involved in 99 officer-involved shootings — an average of 33 per year. Twenty-six of those shootings — an average of nine per year — resulted in the death of the subject. https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ict-tic.nsf/eng/h_it07229.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Boges said: I think when the initiating factor of the stop was an expired sticker, the result shouldn't be a ragdoll tackle and a punch. So let me place this into perspective. I posted a video a short time ago of a policewoman stopping a car for a minor infraction. The driver then shot at her. Using your logic then I could say "Given the initiating factor of the stop was speeding the result shouldn't be the police shooting him." Have I got that right? Only the 'initiating factor' matters, and not the response of the driver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Argus said: So let me place this into perspective. I posted a video a short time ago of a policewoman stopping a car for a minor infraction. The driver then shot at her. Using your logic then I could say "Given the initiating factor of the stop was speeding the result shouldn't be the police shooting him." Have I got that right? Only the 'initiating factor' matters, and not the response of the driver? I think the burden should be higher for cops. But only speaks to the issue of traffic stops. Interactions with the police are almost always not positive ones. So they should expect that kind of treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Boges said: I think the burden should be higher for cops. But only speaks to the issue of traffic stops. Interactions with the police are almost always not positive ones. So they should expect that kind of treatment. They should expect people try to shoot them in the face? Maybe they do and maybe that's why they're so wary of where people put their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Argus said: They should expect people try to shoot them in the face? Maybe they do and maybe that's why they're so wary of where people put their hands. No, that was murder. It doesn't mean that they should expect someone will shoot them in the face with every interaction though. That only means they see all the public as potential murderers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 FYI. When you’re placed under arrest, it’s not up for debate. You MUST comply under the law. There is no discussion or debate as to whether it’s fair or not. Your recourse is through the legal system AFTER the arrest if you feel as though it was improper or unwarranted. There is no curb side trial conducted on scene. It seems like that’s what some of you think. Regardless, even when you’re arrested, you’re processed at a jail and are usually released an hour or so later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.9a49e1b2f22a6d34a345152c50044aa9.jpg)
Recommended Posts