The Coronavirus

[SpankyMcFarland]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

It doesn’t mean it’s not a serious virus, but it’s much less serious than originally thought.

Originally, we had no clear idea at all. This virus has only been studied for a few months. Any estimates on mortality rates so far are just that. We knew that the mortality rates would fall as testing got going. 

Let’s hope we get through this relatively unscathed and better prepared for the big one that’s coming. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The other thing we have to hope for is that this virus will evoke immunity lasting a significant amount of time, perhaps years, like its relative which caused SARS did. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

I'm sick and tired of good old boys not taking this virus seriously. Some fool shook my dads hand to day when we were boating, and I instructed him to immediately put his hands in the fidget cold water for 30 seconds.... I said "Don't touch your face" until we get back to the dock, and I ran up to the cottage to get hand sanitizer.

I had my dad immediately gargle mouth wash, and chuck 2 ounces of vodka slowly... to burn any virus that might gone down his throat.

I let my dad have it. "I don't care if he reached out to shake your hand. We don't shake hands during pandemics".

It's idiots like this who are spreading the virus, even during the lock down.

I signaled my dads friend, who was passing by in his boat, but I stayed 30 feet back in my boat. My dad brought his boat to his boat, and the guy reached out to shake my dads hand. This guy then caughed into his elbow 1 minute after he shook my dads hand.

Let this be a reminder, not to let your guard down. Don't assume other people know how to social distance. Just avoid people all together.

Edited April 18, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

At the waste transfer station, some guy was standing 5 feet away from the attendant, just completely lost in casual conversation. Why can't these fools stay at least 15 feet back... if they want to have a conversation? If you're outside, there is no need to be so close.

I understand that it's hard to separate 6 feet, when shopping for groceries, but people don't need to be standing so close outside.

Edited April 18, 2020 by ProudConservative

[Guest ProudConservative]

The only reason why this virus is spreading by 5% a day during the lockdown, is because there are too many idiots not following common sense. If everyone showed some discipline, this virus would burn itself out.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Well, in the United States over 20,000 people have died from influenza this flu season.  But it’s not really news.  And that’s with flu vaccines.

And our evidence of swamped ER wards is where? Stories about traumatized front line health care workers including news reports of infected workers infecting families and dying might lend a little weight to your ridiculous case too.

[bush_cheney2004]

9 hours ago, Shady said:

New evidence shows the corona virus mortality rate is at about influenza.

 

The U.S. has weekly influenza metrics gathered locally by state for rolled up metrics reported and accessible from states and the CDC.    Here is what one looks like, and I would expect COVID19 to be added to the list of respiratory disease reporting...been around for many years.

I have no idea what Canada does...harder to find the data for provinces.

 

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Well, in the United States over 20,000 people have died from influenza this flu season.  But it’s not really news.  And that’s with flu vaccines.

Graphic demonstrating just exactly why that argument fails:   

[Guest ProudConservative]

Mike Adams of Natural News released a pandemic forecast that predicted 2.16 million Americans dead by July the 4th.... His prediction has underestimated the numbers so far.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-05-pandemic-projection-model-million-deaths-domestic-travel-air-rail-roads.html

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Mike Adams of Natural News released a pandemic forecast that predicted 2.16 million Americans dead by July the 4th.... His prediction has underestimated the numbers so far.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-05-pandemic-projection-model-million-deaths-domestic-travel-air-rail-roads.html

 

To get those kind of numbers he is going to have to kill at least 2 million Americans by himself.

Current models say about 70,000 by July....like a few previous very bad flu years.

[Guest ProudConservative]

38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

To get those kind of numbers he is going to have to kill at least 2 million Americans by himself.

Current models say about 70,000 by July....like a few previous very bad flu years.

On his exponential forecast model, he predicted 10,432 fatalities by May the 4th, 153 Thousand fatalities by June the 4th, and 2.16 million by July the 4th.

On April 17th there were 37 158 fatalities in the United States. 

So far he's underestimated the deaths by 80%.

He has switched his tune lately. Here's his latest video.

"Globalists are testing how much tyranny humans will accept"

 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Current models say about 70,000 by July....like a few previous very bad flu years.

Like nothing in nearly everyone's living memory IOW.  No swamped overwhelmed ER wards....no bodies piling up in abandoned care homes...trucks backed up at mass graves...in several places around the world...all within a couple of months.

Only in some of the worst case models of pandemic planners IOW.

[Guest ProudConservative]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Like nothing in nearly everyone's living memory IOW.  No swamped overwhelmed ER wards....no bodies piling up in abandoned care homes...trucks backed up at mass graves...in several places around the world...all within a couple of months.

Only in some of the worst case models of pandemic planners IOW.

The United States just had 4591 deaths in one day. Try and tell me that they will only have 70000 deaths by July.

[bush_cheney2004]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Like nothing in nearly everyone's living memory IOW.  No swamped overwhelmed ER wards....no bodies piling up in abandoned care homes...trucks backed up at mass graves...in several places around the world...all within a couple of months.

Only in some of the worst case models of pandemic planners IOW.

 

Guess again....2017-2018 flu season...dead is still dead.

 

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CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

 

 

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

As long as we're comparing the two does anyone have any evidence whatsoever of swarms of influenza cases swamping ER rooms year after year the way COVID cases have this year?

Swamped? Our hospital covid ward is empty. Meantime they are turning people away who need diagnostic procedures that have nothing to do with the virus, and those procedures and equipment are not needed for combating the virus either. So they can suffer on.

Maybe then you and the other Einsteins can ask a slightly different, but more intelligent question than your stupid one-dimension query. Why were all these people "swamping" ER rooms, when they didn't need to be interned in the hospital. Why why why?

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

At the waste transfer station, some guy was standing 5 feet away from the attendant, just completely lost in casual conversation. Why can't these fools stay at least 15 feet back... if they want to have a conversation? If you're outside, there is no need to be so close.

I understand that it's hard to separate 6 feet, when shopping for groceries, but people don't need to be standing so close outside.

Maybe you should really stay inside all the time. Don't let your Dad go out anymore either, his judgement cannot be trusted. You clearly know better.

[OftenWrong]

31 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Guess again....2017-2018 flu season...dead is still dead.

It's impossible now to discuss this with people, their minds are absolutely controlled by fear and the sudden realization we are mortal, and that old people die in very large numbers.

[-TSS-]

No wonder the situation in NYC is especially bad. NYC is easily the most global city in the world with an extremely high density of population coupled with a lot of high-ranking people who keep on travelling all across the world meeting countless people in countless large mass-gatherings, shaking countless hands.  

On top of that there are certain demographics who have a more relaxed attitude towards recommendations of social distancing. In fact, they couldn't care less about such recommendations.

[Rue]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

And our evidence of swamped ER wards is where? Stories about traumatized front line health care workers including news reports of infected workers infecting families and dying might lend a little weight to your ridiculous case too.

No not at all. When covid is properly diagnosed like a flu is there has been no flood gate impact on hospitals. Early detection and isolation are the key, not the death rate of the flu. We had no early detection and isolation  procedures. Had we, there would have been no total shutdown but what happened in Taiwan.

I would guess for now in the absence of proper planning ....quarantine has helped prevent a sudden spike of cases yes which could have swamped hospitals. Has not happened in most hospitals in Canada.

Again it's deadly as all virus can be to people with underlying conditions....that makes obsessing over death rates a red herring.

Preventing its spread is the key concern using reasonable not hysterical nonsensical measures. Distancing, handwashing are two basic common sense behaviours with any illness.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

And our evidence of swamped ER wards is where? Stories about traumatized front line loophealth care workers including news reports of infected workers infecting families and dying might lend a little weight to your ridiculous case too.

Actually the same is being asked now about this virus. There are no large amounts of widespread over run hospitals in Canada.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Rue

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

It's impossible now to discuss this with people, their minds are absolutely controlled by fear and the sudden realization we are mortal, and that old people die in very large numbers.

It's not impossible at all you merely need to show us evidence of comparable epidemics of influenza victims overwhelming places like New York.  You guys have built a case around New York's population density its subway system and complacency to show how and why COVID-19 could easily spread just like a normal flu. So given the population density, subway system and complacency have been steady pretty much since living memory how come no one but you folks can remember the swamped ER rooms, bodies piling up in trucks and mass graves?  You're arguing over and over and over again that this has been going on year after year after year yet only you seem to recall it.

I have no idea what it is that's controlling your minds but LSD is my first guess.

Edited April 18, 2020 by eyeball

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Again it's deadly as all virus can be to people with underlying conditions....that makes obsessing over death rates a red herring.

Rue, I'm obsessing over the utter lack of any historical evidence within living memory of normal outbreaks of influenza swamping ER wards and striking so swiftly they cause bodies to pile up in hospital hallways and require mass graves to deal with the dead.   Year after year after year just like this year.

Please provide this or...I'm trying really hard to be polite here but pigheadedness is...you just want to take a shovel to it.

Edited April 18, 2020 by eyeball

[Shady]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

And our evidence of swamped ER wards is where? Stories about traumatized front line health care workers including news reports of infected workers infecting families and dying might lend a little weight to your ridiculous case too.

I’m sorry you disagree with science, but anecdotal stories don’t discount actual medical studies.  It’s not apples to oranges because you’re comparing the flu, which has vaccines, to a virus that doesn’t.  Add to that the Coronavirus is more easily transmitted, which leads to more people infected and the extra pressure on ER rooms.  But that doesn’t mean it’s more deadly.  But keep bowing down to your government masters!  Be afraid!  The sky is falling!  Do what they say with no questions asked!

[Shady]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Guess again....2017-2018 flu season...dead is still dead.

 

 

 

Everyone’s “living memory” tends to be what happened last week or maybe last year.  Nobody has any perspective anymore.

[eyeball]

Just now, Shady said:

It’s not apples to oranges because you’re comparing the flu, which has vaccines, to a virus that doesn’t.  

I'm not the one comparing it to the flu you guys are.  You actually pride yourself on being full of shit don't you?