The Coronavirus

[Rue]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

None of them really, as I wasn't aware of the distinction.  However, the ratio of those who died to those who recovered seems to be the CFR, given those among the total number of people diagnosed with the disease for a certain period of time who don't die from it would be considered recovered.

I realise the final ratio of those who died from it to those who got it will be less than 20%, but I doubt an accurate figure will ever be available.  And even less available will be a number based on what would have happened if we had treated this as we do the seasonal flu.

Now I can agree with your last statement and yes there are major differences  as to these rates. Look the bottom line is its a fucking dangerous virus.  

Edited April 8, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

The big difference in my understanding is a person with lung ailments can survive the flu, this not so much. 

Bare with me please......to be accurate  they are all equally as dangerous to people with breathing issues because any flu or virus is equally as serious and a problem and  potentially life threatening to people with cpd or asthma.....however the point is there are so many more unknowns about covid than a common flu we must assume the worst for now in containment strategies and  of course this virus  allows infections to piggy in and attack the lungs of even those without cpd or athma.  

Either way virus welcomes lung  ailments which in that sense adds to the list of life  risks for cpd and asthma patients and any immune compromised individuals who live with that vulnerability.

So not different...just as bad... and I know it sounds like Inam playing semantics Pik here is my point..it ie important in the sense of knowing treatments created for cpd and asthma  patients are now helping covid patients so thanks to the past suffering of cod and asthma patients and of course the work of their doctors people without their specific diseases who now have covid can borrow their treatments and recover.

So in that sense each person who dies or suffers does not do so in vane. In that sense they suffer and die  but help others to live which is why being fearful is a wasted emotion..we need to be a weird as it sounds joyful they died but in so doing helped pave the way to create new treatments. Out of death comes hope and life damn it.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Rue

[cannuck]

33 minutes ago, Rue said:

Now I can agree with your last statement and yes there are major differencesc as to these rates. Look the bottom line is its a fucking dangerous virus.  

If you wish to read some technical stuff, this will let you know HOW dangerous this can be:

 

Nervous system
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/jmv.25728

Heart damage?
https://khn.org/news/mysterious-hear...-patients/amp/

This virus is becoming a 'piece of work' if you know that expression.

[Rue]

6 hours ago, cannuck said:

If you wish to read some technical stuff, this will let you know HOW dangerous this can be:

 

Nervous system
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/jmv.25728

Heart damage?
https://khn.org/news/mysterious-hear...-patients/amp/

This virus is becoming a 'piece of work' if you know that expression.

It is a shape shifting demon whose purpose is to serve as catalyst to push us past our complacency so we can continue to evolve...life lessons are painful but without the pain we could not experience the joy..the two are inextricably linked..without that link..there would be no destiny..

 

Edited April 9, 2020 by Rue

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Shady said:

Great point.  Apparently people have stopped dying from pneumonia, emphysema, COPD, influenza, etc is amazing!

Yup, it truly is amazing, mate! The way the media is reporting so much about this virus these days it would appear as though everybody is dying from this China virus. All other causes of death have been put on hold. Ha! Probably even the guy that was killed in a car accident last week somehow died from the virus. Lol. But there can be no doubt about it that it would appear as though they are now throwing all those diseases you mentioned above, and all of them are being thrown into the same China virus pot. It's not the plague folks, it is just a seasonal flu that comes around every year. Just my opinion of course. Works for me!  

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Now I can agree with your last statement and yes there are major differences  as to these rates. Look the bottom line is its a fucking dangerous virus.  

It's not just your simple virus anymore, it is the bloody plague. Wake up sheeple, eh? You appear to be a shape shifting demon. Just saying. 

Edited April 8, 2020 by taxme

[taxme]

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The South Koreans were recording something like that a while ago because they were doing a decent level of testing. Germany is even lower? That’s still a lot higher than regular flu though. This virus is not closely related to the viruses that cause flu and probably should not be lumped in with them. 

Pretty much all viruses are probably now going to be lumped in with this one. Even your normal average seasonal flu that some people get every year will now be lumped in with this China virus. Maybe we will start to see every year from now on that every seasonal flu out there will now be seen and taken as serious as this China virus. Hey, you never know, eh? I cannot wait to see what happens next year. It could be worse. I will be paying attention. 

[Rue]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

It's not just your simple virus anymore, it is the bloody plague. Wake up sheeple, eh? You appear to be a shape shifting demon. Just saying. 

 I am not of this world. Boo.

[OftenWrong]

On 4/7/2020 at 4:24 PM, Shady said:

That’s why the flu isn’t as big of a deal anymore.

That’s why the flu kills ten times more than we currently have counted, year after year. It is a bigger deal than this in fact, yet we don’t care.

”We” being ordinary people who don’t work in health care and never hear about these outbreaks. They occur every year on the scale you are seeing now.

[BubberMiley]

6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That’s why the flu kills ten times more than we currently have counted, year after year. It is a bigger deal than this in fact, yet we don’t care.

”We” being ordinary people who don’t work in health care and never hear about these outbreaks. They occur every year on the scale you are seeing now.

It's not surprising to me that Trumpers would still not understand how this virus is dangerous because of how contagious it is. But what about car accidents?

[OftenWrong]

38 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

It's not surprising to me that Trumpers would still not understand how this virus is dangerous because of how contagious it is. But what about car accidents?

I never mentioned or even considered Trump, but not surprised that you've got Trump on the brain again. Maybe get yourself a CT scan.

[betsy]

17 hours ago, Rue said:

It is a shape shifting demon whose purpose is to serve as catalyst to push us past our complacency so we can continue to evolve...life lessons are painful but without the pain we could not experience the joy..the two are inextricably linked..without that link..there would be no destiny..

 

 

HAHAHAHAHA        Oh, my goodness!   Hahahahaha

 

What on earth am I doing arguing with you?      Hahahahahaha

 

 

 

Lol.  You make me feel like this:

 

 

 

 

 

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I am not of this world. 

 

I agree. 

Edited April 9, 2020 by betsy

[OftenWrong]

59 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

because of how contagious it is.

Numbers such as ratios of dead to survived, etc are very difficult to compare between this disease and the flu. The only real comparator is the number dead. Dead men tell all the tales.

[cannuck]

13 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Numbers such as ratios of dead to survived, etc are very difficult to compare between this disease and the flu. The only real comparator is the number dead. Dead men tell all the tales.

Only if someone is listening.   One of the big problems with data collection is that in several jurisdictions (US in particular) there is a shortage of testing capacity, so many deaths are not being recorded as Wuhan Virus, since nobody is testing the corpse.   Thus: dead men may tell no lies, but neither do they always reveal their truth.

[OftenWrong]

6 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Only if someone is listening.   One of the big problems with data collection is that in several jurisdictions (US in particular) there is a shortage of testing capacity, so many deaths are not being recorded as Wuhan Virus, since nobody is testing the corpse.   Thus: dead men may tell no lies, but neither do they always reveal their truth.

Those errors if true are small, and probably countered by the same mistake in committing the death to coronavirus. Similar problems exist with the flu data collection death count. Let's say for now they are equal.

But on th eother hand the CV is more readily identifiable, and the attention far more intense than any virus ever before. Let's keep that point in mind as well.

[BubberMiley]

34 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Numbers such as ratios of dead to survived, etc are very difficult to compare between this disease and the flu. The only real comparator is the number dead. Dead men tell all the tales.

It is extremely contagious because it is a novel virus. Without social distancing,  we could potentially have millions and millions of people infected all at once. That's all you really need to know, but being a Trumper you might still have a hard time with basic facts.

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

It is extremely contagious because it is a novel virus. Without social distancing,  we could potentially have millions and millions of people infected all at once

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, BubberMiley which is no surprise.

Highly contagious you say? Doesn’t that take away your concern about the death ratio, since the number of dead are known and the more people who have it, the lower the percentage who get it and die.

The virus is bad enough, despite being similar to influenza but the question is why don’t we shut the planet down for it. Because shutting down everything only provides a minimal return, compared to more selective but less socially harmful measures than this nonsense.

[taxme]

17 hours ago, Rue said:

 I am not of this world. Boo.

I know! Boo-hoo to you also. Now go back to your world and leave earth in peace. Your DNS problem is not wanted or needed around here.  

[taxme]

7 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

It's not surprising to me that Trumpers would still not understand how this virus is dangerous because of how contagious it is. But what about car accidents?

It's not surprising to me at all that there are still those Trudeauers like you who still believe in this fake and phony plandemic exercise. But with liberals and socialists they can be made to believe anything because they have this little known problem called follow the liberal MSM leaders and liars. Even your own politicians are in on the hoax also. How stupid can some politicians be when they believe that shutting down their borders to all Canadians will help them get rid of this virus. It's suppose to be in the air, you bunch of airheads. How are you going to stop the virus from entering your province?

There is plenty of proof that is coming available now which is starting to show what this is all about one big global plandemic exercise hoax by those globalists who created this exercise especially for silly people like you who will believe their lies and for people like you who could be easily convinced enough with plenty of constant brainwashing on TV that the sky is falling down and they will no doubt believe it. Really. 

And why do Canadians like you constantly always have to bring Trump into your picture? I am pretty sure that you are one of many of those stunned fools out there who now believe that Trump is responsible for this virus plandemic, right? Trump is not your president. Your bozo leader is a guy named Trudeau and he is your prime mistake and not your President. At least it is said that Trump got on the virus band wagon long before your bozo of a leader did anything about this virus.

Why aren't you not blaming communist China instead? Those commies started it all. Try and stick and stay in Canada will you, and leave Trump out of this. Geez, some people's kids. 

[BubberMiley]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, BubberMiley which is no surprise.

Highly contagious you say? Doesn’t that take away your concern about the death ratio, since the number of dead are known and the more people who have it, the lower the percentage who get it and die.

The virus is bad enough, despite being similar to influenza but the question is why don’t we shut the planet down for it. Because shutting down everything only provides a minimal return, compared to more selective but less socially harmful measures than this nonsense.

The planet is shut down because it's highly contagious. The more people get it at once, the higher the death rate because hospitals become overwhelmed. You have a choice: economic collapse with thousands of deaths, or economic collapse with millions of deaths.

You can continue to blather nonsensical misinformation from last month's FoxNews reports, but it doesn't make you look any smarter.

[OftenWrong]

57 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

but it doesn't make you look any smarter.

I don't need to look any smarter BubberMIley. That is your problem.

[BubberMiley]

18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I don't need to look any smarter BubberMIley. That is your problem.

I see I hurt your feelings by explaining to you how wrong you are again. One day maybe you'll even say something  you will be able to back up and defend, rather than just resort to insults because you feel humiliated 

I'm just left wondering if anyone is really stupid enough to think it's not highly contagious.

[OftenWrong]

4 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

I see I hurt your feelings

You see nothing BubberMiley as always like your stupid blank doll eyes. Oh except for Donald Trump Everywhere stupid doll eyes look, they see Trump.

You really wonder about stupid things, and ask stupid questions sometimes too. Dontcha   ; )

ETA Sorry I forgot this isn't another of your moronic status updates. I'll stick to the debate topic from now on. Apologies to all,

Edited April 9, 2020 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

I heard tell that Mr Trudeau announced these measures will not subside until someone develops a vaccine for the virus. That person will be a very rich man. Or woman. Never mind the bollocks for now.

Anyone know how long it will take to develop a vaccine?

You would think with the coronavirus strain being around as long as it has been, they would have developed one years ago.

[BubberMiley]

At least 18 months.

Yes, you would definitely think that.