The Coronavirus

[Argus]

22 hours ago, New World Disorder said:

I'd be interested in looking at their medical centers and see how they were run. They did something most other nations didn't. Let's take a look and learn from that.

I don't think their medical centres were as responsible as their tightly organized government response. They were very fast to do mandatory quarantining, and they don't rely on people staying home. They check on them constantly. Everyone has an app and the government will know if their phone leaves their apartment. They're also required to check in on that app when contacted at irregular intervals at least twice a day. They do extensive contact tracing involving hours of interviews with positive cases as well as digital tracing using their phones. They then notify everyone in the area at the time. Oh yes, and they have extensive testing. Canada has nothing remotely similar in terms of either testing or contact tracing.

Yesterday the Ontario Public Health head talked about how half the continued new cases are coming from community spread. How? She has no idea. Where? No idea. What kind of people? No idea. We're doing piss-poor contact tracing. In some cases, no idea how, they're not doing any. Just telling positive cases to quarantine, but not asking them any questions about where they've been or even where they work.

Roughly half of Ontario's new cases of the coronavirus are among residents and staff of long-term care homes, along with other front-line health workers. But for the remaining cases, the sources of infection are often unspecified.

Experts say more precise data could help public health officials focus efforts and resources more intensely on the largest sources of infections. It could also help guide government decisions about the least risky locations to reopen when first loosening emergency restrictions.

Key questions about community transmission remain unanswered. Is it happening in workplaces that have stayed open? Supermarkets where physical distancing measures are falling short? On sidewalks as people pass one another?  "Who's getting infected? What's the demographics of this group still getting infected? What are the locations?" Williams said Tuesday during his daily briefing when discussing the unknowns of community spread.  

These are the kinds of questions that Ontario's Chief Medical Officer of Health Dr. David Williams wants answered too.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/contracting-covid19-ontario-1.5548087

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

You made this claim.

Could not find the video, but there are plenty of articles.

False.

Your other claim in this thread was

Actually lots of history regarding SNC's corrupt past was reported in many Canadian news sources

Interesting that I used a CBC article to prove this as incorrect.

Trudeau tried as best he could to keep SNC from going to court.

With that corruption in SNC,  how confident are you in using that bridge?

 

You just proved how much of an idiot you are lol.

I asked for video of CBC talking about Fournier and the bribe, during coverage of Trudeau's SNC scandal. You provided evidence that CBC knew about it back before the scandal, with their own article. You did not find video, and you did not post a link to CBC referencing Fournier after Trudeau's scandal surfaced.

Go forth now young man and FIND VIDEO OF CBC REFERENCING FOURNIER'S BRIBE SCANDAL, DURING COVERAGE OF TRUDEAU"S SCANDAL. Find somewhere where they said that Trudeau helped out the guys who have a history of bribery. 

You just acknowledged how easy it is to find evidence of Michel Fournier. Now find video of that skeleton coming out of the closet. 

 

[WestCanMan]

Suddenly your replies aren't coming so quick, are they NWD?

Seems like video of CBC mentioning the most pertinent info re: LavScam is really hard to find.

[New World Disorder]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You just proved how much of an idiot you are lol.

I asked for video of CBC talking about Fournier and the bribe, during coverage of Trudeau's SNC scandal. You provided evidence that CBC knew about it back before the scandal, with their own article. You did not find video, and you did not post a link to CBC referencing Fournier after Trudeau's scandal surfaced.

Yes I understand I did not post a video. I said I could not find it. But if you are only looking for a video as evidence, then you might be missing something else.

 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Yes I understand I did not post a video. I said I could not find it. But if you are only looking for a video as evidence, then you might be missing something else.

 

Point is that CBC's coverage of SNC was a nerfed-down joke. "Nothing to see here."

[New World Disorder]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

Point is that CBC's coverage of SNC was a nerfed-down joke. "Nothing to see here."

Just CBC's coverage?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, New World Disorder said:

Just CBC's coverage?

MSM coverage. CTV is actually more of a Trudeau-booster than CBC.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

...some media, your Marxists friends...

When I see yahoos making this kind of statement it only reinforces why I should look straight back down my nose at them.  Once you get to know me better you'll see I actually I lean more towards Pol Pot.

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One of the best stories I heard about a new immigrant mother, she was in isolation and her food was running out but she did not want to tell her neighbours to not "bother them". It is an immigrant mentality, my parents have it too. When nobody came with food for 2-3 days, the neighbours called her and they were shocked that she did not ask. You know what the neighbours did ? they rushed out and bought her lots of food. This is who the majority of people are.

 

Well that sounds nice. Last week I dropped off some fresh cod filets with a couple of old timers I know who haven't been able to find a decent feed of fish these last few months.  Does that shatter your illusion about me or am I just full of shit and polishing my image?

 

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You look around America and Canada in this coronavirus crisis you see people helping people, individual helping individual which is bad news for the above groups, time to have a few meetings and make a plan, what if people learn that this division is mostly propaganda ?

Your nonsense about people helping people being bad news for "the above groups" and propaganda speaks more succinctly to who and what you are and why your group is so FUBAR and that looking down ones nose at you is always the proper course of action. 

Edited April 30, 2020 by eyeball

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No country can afford to be in a full lockdown for months so some of the restrictions will be lifted. 

However, the ones concerning mass-gatherings will be the last ones to be lifted as they are high risk/low priority. 

So, no concerts, no sports etc for many months to come. 

[Independent1986]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

why your group

I love how you only quoted the some media/Marxists (not sure why you put them together), you left the Trump cult members out of that I guess that did not serve your narrative.

Just to prove my point regarding propaganda, there is something called a dictionary:

PROPAGANDA - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

I still don't get it why are you getting worked up over this, you can believe in whatever what you want to believe in, I mean anyone that would read your quotes from the topic regarding capitalism can draw their own conclusion. I think is hilarious you called me a yahoo, I don't get worked up over it though because is not true, is like looking at someone skinny and calling him fat. You only get upset if it's true.

I will tell you what, there is a story about a Jewish rabbi that was trying to get along 2 aspects of Israeli society and at one point he said: "Both sides of any disagreement are usually right in their own way." 

We sometimes judge the world through our personal experiences, I am guilty of that having witnessed the effects of communism in my family in my way I am right to what I am saying. Who knows what experiences you had that makes you have this attitude and in your own way you are right and that goes for all human beings which is why the system in the West is perfect, it never allows a person to have complete power like pol pot :))))

Edited April 30, 2020 by Independent1986

[Guest ProudConservative]

Bill Gates is all over CNN now, making Sanjay Gupta and Anderson Cooper drool over him. Why is Bill Gates running the vaccine show?

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

I love how you only quoted the some media/Marxists (not sure why you put them together),

In my experience they're usually given to be one and the same thing, especially around here.

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you left the Trump cult members out of that I guess that did not serve your narrative.

I didn't think they were relevant. 

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Just to prove my point regarding propaganda, there is something called a dictionary:

I'm sure a 'pat on the head' would have made the condescension obvious too.  

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I still don't get it why are you getting worked up over this, you can believe in whatever what you want to believe in, I mean anyone that would read your quotes from the topic regarding capitalism can draw their own conclusion.

And here you are worked up over your conclusions.

A big part of propaganda involves bias and characterizing - pointing out imperfections in the West's system is guaranteed to draw the old Marxist card out.

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I think is hilarious you called me a yahoo, I don't get worked up over it though because is not true, is like looking at someone skinny and calling him fat. You only get upset if it's true.

You do seem a little more refined, not exactly Buckley/Black but not Limbaugh/Hannity either. 

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We sometimes judge the world through our personal experiences, I am guilty of that having witnessed the effects of communism in my family in my way I am right to what I am saying.

Is that a Royal We or something more collective?  I've seen the effects of communism on my family too. Dictators can be real assholes alright - the sense of powerlessness seems an awful thing. 

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Who knows what experiences you had that makes you have this attitude and in your own way you are right and that goes for all human beings which is why the system in the West is perfect, it never allows a person to have complete power like pol pot

Experience shaped my attitude too. I'm far more concerned with how power is distributed throughout a society than wealth. There probably isn't a government or a lobbyist on Earth that wouldn't have me shot for outlawing in-camera lobbying.  That's all I'd do too, no need for black pyjama's AK47's or gulags but just no more smoke-filled back rooms either.

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

"Both sides of any disagreement are usually right in their own way." 

"In their own way..." lol. That's the part that gets stretched to the max nowadays. 

You find me a leftist who tops the 20% truth mark and I'll show you a unicorn that eats dragons. 

[Tdot]

12 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

I will tell you what, there is a story about a Jewish rabbi that was trying to get along 2 aspects of Israeli society and at one point he said: "Both sides of any disagreement are usually right in their own way."

That's not fair. He's still compassionate toward his Ashkenazim roots in Germany.

[Independent1986]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"In their own way..." lol. That's the part that gets stretched to the max nowadays. 

You find me a leftist who tops the 20% truth mark and I'll show you a unicorn that eats dragons. 

The point I was trying to make is that nowadays is irrelevant who has the truth because at the end of the day every human being goes through life and reaches certain conclusions which he or she thinks is the truth and that is precisely why the Western democracies as flawed as they are, they are great, it never allows an individual to have complete power to impose his truth.  Systems like China & Russia might thrive short term but in the long term they will most likely fail because human beings on the individual level are unique and will not accept an "universal truth" determined by Xi or Putin.

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

Dictators can be real assholes alright

Of course, but I like to look beyond the dictators, straight to the root of the problem:  in 1970's when the communist Ceausescu was leader in Romania, my father used to tell me that people loved him. He came with a message similar to Bernie Sanders: equality, peace, no outside war, no class separation, free schooling. People of course went along with this, but what happened: The individual being unique, worked harder or had better ideas than his neighbor and did not agree with the same conditions. Because the system did not allow the individual to express himself corruption started to appear. Ceausescu seeing this could not understand why people don't want to be communist, EQUAL so he started arming the young to enforce "equality". The rest of the story is that the chaos created starvation. Do you imagine waiting 2 hours in line to get 1 egg ?

In the west we have the luxury to argue and have competing ideas, some of them based on lies or on our BIAS, some of them based on truth. Is good that free elections exists here so we can penalize the individuals that seem to use BIAS and lie in their governing. Like Trump talking about coronavirus treatment meanwhile he has no medical background or Bernie Sanders talking about income inequality meanwhile he has 2 houses and 1 cottage.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Independent1986

[Tdot]

3 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

The point I was trying to make is that nowadays is irrelevant who has the truth because at the end of the day every human being goes through life and reaches certain conclusions which he or she thinks is the truth and that is precisely why the Western democracies as flawed as they are...

This is not based in, logic, as it discounts/disregards the multitudes of Western civilizations' keen, citizenry, that continually leave the Dem party because that citizenry actually investigated the truth and researched the facts, then fortunately realized the demonic satanic Dem agenda.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Tdot

[Rue]

17 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

I love how you only quoted the some media/Marxists (not sure why you put them together), you left the Trump cult members out of that I guess that did not serve your narrative.

Just to prove my point regarding propaganda, there is something called a dictionary:

PROPAGANDA - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

I still don't get it why are you getting worked up over this, you can believe in whatever what you want to believe in, I mean anyone that would read your quotes from the topic regarding capitalism can draw their own conclusion. I think is hilarious you called me a yahoo, I don't get worked up over it though because is not true, is like looking at someone skinny and calling him fat. You only get upset if it's true.

I will tell you what, there is a story about a Jewish rabbi that was trying to get along 2 aspects of Israeli society and at one point he said: "Both sides of any disagreement are usually right in their own way." 

We sometimes judge the world through our personal experiences, I am guilty of that having witnessed the effects of communism in my family in my way I am right to what I am saying. Who knows what experiences you had that makes you have this attitude and in your own way you are right and that goes for all human beings which is why the system in the West is perfect, it never allows a person to have complete power like pol pot :))))

I loved that response. As a Jew I also very much appreciate the point you made which when you think about it most religions teach. Your answer was excellent. Eye and I and everyone of us get hot speaking on this forum. We sound worse than we are.  Had my share of exchanges with Cougar, BC, Betty, ths Godess, Eye, Argus, Wes, many more, etc.  all good people  but they  give you their money's worth in a debate and why not. Don't worry...its just debate. The only polite ones on this forum are Michael Harder and Dialamah and that is cuz they are nudist colony supporters.  Seriously welcome to the forum and keep writing away. 

Hey once we are on the topic back at 17 I was a real dickhead, not that I changed and I had this International Relations teacher called Peter Hidas. Our college was all communist socialist in those days in the 70's. He was a refugee from the  Hungary 56 uprisin gHe had the decency to not take my anger at the world personally and taught me what happened in Hungary. It was interesting because he explained the Nazis, he explained the Russians and communists and to this day I remember his name. Over the years I met Poles,  Czechs, Serbians, Sl9vaks, Croatians, Albanians, Hungarians, Ukrainians, Estonians,  who would explain their anti semitic histories, and the Russians. It was hard on them to come to grips with both. Maybe there was some karma in it who knows but  to someone who comes out of a Soviet bloc state their stories are sobering. We all need the reality of that system explained in real life KGB, line up for your meat terms. In Canada we take a lot of things our soldiers died for us to have for granted. 

I think for me travel and life have slapped some humility into me. Still an ass though lol. I have embraced people whose parents may have killed or saved my relatives. That is the thing. From the very people that hated me came others that reached out making your point close to me. It's from our enemies we make peace not allies. I am the first to be a hothead so I salute your response.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Rue

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, Rue said:

Had my share of exchanges with Cougar, BC, Betty, ths Godess, Eye, Argus, Wes, many more, etc.

I don't remember having any heated exchanges with you, Rue 

[Rue]

12 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Bill Gates is all over CNN now, making Sanjay Gupta and Anderson Cooper drool over him. Why is Bill Gates running the vaccine show?

Either because he is genuine and trying to help or he's an illuminati disinformation agent. Depends on whether your episode is manic or depressive. I think he is genuine. Others do not. 

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Rue said:

Either because he is genuine and trying to help or he's an illuminati disinformation agent. Depends on whether your episode is manic or depressive. I think he is genuine. Others do not. 

I read a few weeks ago he is a world-wide vaccine czar but more akin to Stalin. He may or may not have been responsible for the deaths of many in Tan Zania.

[Rue]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I don't remember having any heated exchanges with you, Rue 

..may I say with utmost complementary respect....madam in my mind they are...  

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Rue said:

..may I say with utmost complementary respect....madam in my mind they are...  

Odd. I generally agree with your thoughts.  I apologize that we have had heated exchanges, I certainly did not intend that.  A couple of others here - yes. 

I generally find you very balanced in your views and always appreciate your posts - even the long ones that others complain about.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Goddess

[Rue]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I read a few weeks ago he is a world-wide vaccine czar but more akin to Stalin. He may or may not have been responsible for the deaths of many in Tan Zania.

Yah. I have read that and other bad  things. Like  many people who are ceo's I do not doubt he can be a ruthless sociopath.... Churchill was considered a rude man...but sometimes you need one in a crisis..if it's to save people not wipe them out. I do admit I know nothing about him but what I have heard in covid 19 interviews.  

 

[Rue]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Odd. I generally agree with your thoughts.  I apologize that we have had heated exchanges, I certainly did not intend that.  A couple of others here - yes. 

I generally find you very balanced in your views and always appreciate your posts - even the long ones that others complain about.

No no..lol...I meant that as a complement..i.e., you heat me up...

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Rue

[Argus]

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

"In their own way..." lol. That's the part that gets stretched to the max nowadays. 

You find me a leftist who tops the 20% truth mark and I'll show you a unicorn that eats dragons. 

No one who unwaveringly supports Trump gets to use honesty as a measure of morality.