Do You Believe in Man-Made Climate Change?

[ironstone]

Hey Michael, does the planet only have about 10-12 years before we all die? Are you totally on board with that assertion??

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. Hey Michael, does the planet only have about 10-12 years before we all die?
2. Are you totally on board with that assertion??

1. No way.
2. I'd like to see proof of that, if people are saying it.  I doubt any scientist did.  More like a hysterical environmentalist.  Scientists do make unfounded statements, from time to time, but it's a tiny percentage of what I see online.

[ironstone]

Yes more videos.

You searched for climate - Stossel TV (johnstossel.com)

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Yes more videos.

You searched for climate - Stossel TV (johnstossel.com)

Never heard of Stossel.  

Looked him up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stossel#Criticism_and_controversy

 

Save me some time, does he quote published papers ?  

Please note I don't quote Al Gore, either, when posting about Climate Change.  This tendency to go with a 'talking head' because you like their politics is the beginning of the end...

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

 Save me some time, does he quote published papers ?   

If so - save me time and just post the study or a link to something substantial.

[Michael Hardner]

Also Stossel seems to have a conflict of interest with Pfizer, since his brother is on their advisory board ?

And yet he puts out videos about the vaccine...>
 

 

[ironstone]

There have been countless "published papers" on man made climate change over the years. Many wild predictions have been made in the past by scientists and many of these predictions never became reality. Like virtually everyone else on this planet I am constantly bombarded with climate change alarmism. It comes from politicians, billionaires and Hollywood celebrities, all of whom have huge carbon footprints.

We are told that there are more tornadoes and hurricanes than ever before. More severe flooding. Global cooling? Then global warming? Now just all encompassing climate change?

There is no 97% consensus among scientists as it turns out. Another false claim endlessly repeated.

Biden linking tornadoes to ‘climate change’ called ‘utter bullsh*t’ – ‘Directly opposite to the clear observational evidence’ – Dec tornadoes not rare – Tornadoes blamed on global cooling in 1970s | Climate Depot

Governments getting even more control over our daily lives and wealth redistribution are much more prominent in the future.

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, ironstone said:

1. There have been countless "published papers" on man made climate change over the years. Many wild predictions have been made in the past by scientists and many of these predictions never became reality.

2. Like virtually everyone else on this planet I am constantly bombarded with climate change alarmism. It comes from politicians, billionaires and Hollywood celebrities, all of whom have huge carbon footprints.

3. We are told that there are more tornadoes and hurricanes than ever before. More severe flooding. Global cooling? Then global warming? Now just all encompassing climate change?

4. etc.

1. I'm sure you have heard this, but what are the specifics ?  The IPCC does an average of the predictions and takes scenarios into account.  In 1990 they predicted .2C per decade if some actions were taken to mitigate CO2 growth.
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/05/ipcc_90_92_assessments_far_wg_I_spm.pdf

And it looks pretty close if you look at 1990 to 2020:
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

2. Yes, climate change alarmism a real thing, but you have to look at it in detail - it's not all baseless but it's not all based either.  

3. There's no basis for global cooling in the published science. As for extreme weather, the media assumes that it's climate change whether or not the science says that.

4. Yeah, I won't be quoting Biden or whatever either.  If you can quote me real scientists who publish contrasting opinions (and yes there are some) then I can look at them.  But too many videos and conspiracy theories for my taste.

https://tinyurl.com/michaelhardnerclimate

That's my take, enjoy it or not.  

[Nationalist]

Is man having an affect on Earth's climate? It does appear we are. Is this affect something to be concerned about? That's debatable. There's an old saying...'Don't throw away your old shoes, before you have a new pair.'

I'm OK with people who say man is warming the climate somewhat. We probably are.

I am not OK with morons who act like the sky is falling right now and that we have to eliminate all fossil fuel burning for energy immediately. These people are both stupid and dangerous.

Man will find a way to replace fossil fuels as an energy source. When we do, we can, by all means, replace the fossil fuel generators and such. But to do so before we have a replacement...is plain old stupid.

So let's try not being stupid...mkaaayyy...?

[H B Lowrey]

On 1/26/2020 at 5:17 PM, Guest ProudConservative said:

I definetly there're opportunist who will use climate change as an excuse for government control, but i'm starting to doubt that climate change isn't real. Toronto is feeling about 5 degree warming than most winters. You can't build things out of snow, or they will melt.

There are concentrated capital interests exerting control upon your government.  And we've known about this threat to humanity since at least the 1980's.

[brett 1]

Modern Big oil and gas corporations are in business to turn a profit , just as they were back in the start of America's industrial revolution when companies like standard oil became one of the prominent  movers and shakers of America's financial growth and power. From their inception these mega industrial corporations have been financially lobbying and shaping America's political direction and polices. Their massive profits are definitely not made by cutting back in production. Producing more, selling more, and increasing profit is what they are all about period.

 It would be in direct conflict to their profit driven existence if in anyway they were to admit in the slightest that the fossil fuel they sell is in some way contributing to climate change. They would never admit to anything that could negatively impact their ability increase profits.

For fossil fuel corporations its easy and cheaper to spend tiny minuscule amounts of their mega profits on marketing false spin science to discredit real science, and lobby or fund elections of cheery picked groomed politicians to shape government policy in their favor.

Its true that earth naturally cycles through changes in climate over millions of years, due to orbit, asteroid impacts, volcano eruptions etc. But to totally be in denial that we humans are innocent and not having an enormous impact on this planet is pure blindness on our behalf..

You dont need to be a scientist, you can simply look yourself on google earth at that vast stretches of earths surface that are now replaced by expanding cites with more roads and more congested traffic.. you can see for yourself on "google earth" the vast regions of  jungle and forest that are being increasingly replaced by the heat absorbing dark soils of industrial farmland. Jungle and forest areas that produce heat reflecting white clouds are disappearing at enormous rates.

When i was young i remember hearing Johnny Carson crack jokes on his show about California's smog warnings we thought that was funny and only just a California thing. But now a days here in Toronto we now get smog warnings a lot  as well, And for many more cities across  the United States and Canada fossil fuel smog warnings have now become the norm. In Toronto we cant leave white plastic lawn furniture out on our front porches for long anymore because black exhaust in the air from increased city traffic stains the chairs very fast.

We used to drive to our local rural townships and we enjoyed the drive through the country side to get there. But now when we go, there is no more rural "country side" to enjoy anymore, all the land between the city and townships is becoming very quickly developed to the point where its all just like one big never ending expanding city with more and more people and cars...

its not just California , Toronto or north America,  its happening globally. And a growing population means more people with more cars and more industry spewing out more fossil fuel generated carbon.

Like cigarette corporation's not admitting or revealing the science, they were able to maintain sales and profits,  while they new all along their costumers were dying from cancer caused by their product. So too are the fossil fuel companies doing the same to maintain their sales and profits while this planet is dying ever faster from a cancer of fuel emissions caused by their product.

If you are over 50 and your haven't noticed or paid attention to the changes and the rate which their taking place. Then its time to open your eyes and simply look around you. You can see how fast its happening on a local level.... you don't need a scientist or a president to tell you true or false facts anymore . Your own eyes can now see the growth and expansion of human numbers around you. The expansion/growth of humans, and use of fossil fuel use isn't stopping ...

Can this really go on forever without humans having some kind of impact on this planet....it dont look like it .. .

side note - somewhat relevant, look for Brian Toon's lectures about  " Dinosaurs, Extinctions & Nuclear War, "  its relevance , is appropriate due to Putin's recent gestures towards using nuclear weapons that could result in the ultimate man made climate impact a nuclear winter.

B.

[blackbird]

On 10/9/2025 at 9:18 AM, brett 1 said:

Modern Big oil and gas corporations are in business to turn a profit , just as they were back in the start of America's industrial revolution when companies like standard oil became one of the prominent  movers and shakers of America's financial growth and power. From their inception these mega industrial corporations have been financially lobbying and shaping America's political direction and polices. Their massive profits are definitely not made by cutting back in production. Producing more, selling more, and increasing profit is what they are all about period.

 It would be in direct conflict to their profit driven existence if in anyway they were to admit in the slightest that the fossil fuel they sell is in some way contributing to climate change. They would never admit to anything that could negatively impact their ability increase profits.

For fossil fuel corporations its easy and cheaper to spend tiny minuscule amounts of their mega profits on marketing false spin science to discredit real science, and lobby or fund elections of cheery picked groomed politicians to shape government policy in their favor.

Its true that earth naturally cycles through changes in climate over millions of years, due to orbit, asteroid impacts, volcano eruptions etc. But to totally be in denial that we humans are innocent and not having an enormous impact on this planet is pure blindness on our behalf..

You dont need to be a scientist, you can simply look yourself on google earth at that vast stretches of earths surface that are now replaced by expanding cites with more roads and more congested traffic.. you can see for yourself on "google earth" the vast regions of  jungle and forest that are being increasingly replaced by the heat absorbing dark soils of industrial farmland. Jungle and forest areas that produce heat reflecting white clouds are disappearing at enormous rates.

When i was young i remember hearing Johnny Carson crack jokes on his show about California's smog warnings we thought that was funny and only just a California thing. But now a days here in Toronto we now get smog warnings a lot  as well, And for many more cities across  the United States and Canada fossil fuel smog warnings have now become the norm. In Toronto we cant leave white plastic lawn furniture out on our front porches for long anymore because black exhaust in the air from increased city traffic stains the chairs very fast.

We used to drive to our local rural townships and we enjoyed the drive through the country side to get there. But now when we go, there is no more rural "country side" to enjoy anymore, all the land between the city and townships is becoming very quickly developed to the point where its all just like one big never ending expanding city with more and more people and cars...

its not just California , Toronto or north America,  its happening globally. And a growing population means more people with more cars and more industry spewing out more fossil fuel generated carbon.

Like cigarette corporation's not admitting or revealing the science, they were able to maintain sales and profits,  while they new all along their costumers were dying from cancer caused by their product. So too are the fossil fuel companies doing the same to maintain their sales and profits while this planet is dying ever faster from a cancer of fuel emissions caused by their product.

If you are over 50 and your haven't noticed or paid attention to the changes and the rate which their taking place. Then its time to open your eyes and simply look around you. You can see how fast its happening on a local level.... you don't need a scientist or a president to tell you true or false facts anymore . Your own eyes can now see the growth and expansion of human numbers around you. The expansion/growth of humans, and use of fossil fuel use isn't stopping ...

Can this really go on forever without humans having some kind of impact on this planet....it dont look like it .. .

side note - somewhat relevant, look for Brian Toon's lectures about  " Dinosaurs, Extinctions & Nuclear War, "  its relevance , is appropriate due to Putin's recent gestures towards using nuclear weapons that could result in the ultimate man made climate impact a nuclear winter.

B.

God is in control.  Read the King James Bible and stop worrying about the climate.  

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

God is in control.  Read the King James Bible and stop worrying about the climate.  

Everyone lie in bed with their mouth open. If you are virtuous, God will drop some grapes in. 

No need to do anything on this mortal coil. God's God has the joystick.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Belief may be an ambiguous term here. We’re not talking about religious belief but rather an assessment of enormous amounts of evidence in rigorously peer-reviewed scientific papers that has accumulated relentlessly over decades. That evidence is overwhelmingly in one direction: man-made climate change is real. 

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

That evidence is overwhelmingly in one direction: man-made climate change is real. 

I disagree.  When you read the list of ten reasons by the Environmental Defence Fund, you won't see any clear proof.  In other words, there is nothing that you can point to that is clear at all.  The whole thing is more subjective or speculative.   So when you say the evidence is overwhelming, could you give a brief summary of this overwhelming evidence.  What is it exactly?  

You are making the claim which means it is on you to give the proof.

[SpankyMcFarland]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I disagree.  When you read the list of ten reasons by the Environmental Defence Fund, you won't see any clear proof.  In other words, there is nothing that you can point to that is clear at all.  The whole thing is more subjective or speculative.   So when you say the evidence is overwhelming, could you give a brief summary of this overwhelming evidence.  What is it exactly?  

You are making the claim which means it is on you to give the proof.

Do you apply those criteria to religious beliefs as well? What sort of evidence would convince you of climate change?  

I’m not an expert on climate change so any debate between us would devolve into a silly argument. I do know a little more about medical subjects but my knowledge there did not help me convince anybody here who didn’t already agree with me. The same information is available to you as it is to me. 

 

Edited October 13, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Do you apply those criteria to religious beliefs as well? What sort of evidence would convince you of climate change?  

All I asked is for you to give a summary of why you believe the evidence is there.

You are the one that makes the claim that the evidence is overwhelming.  So what is it?

I suspect you are just blindly making this claim without even knowing yourself what this "overwhelming evidence" is.  

I suspect 99.999 % of people who say believe in man-made climate change do not know what the evidence is.  They are blindly accepting the claim.  That probably includes all the scientists.  They too just blindly accept the claim.  It is more of a fad or politically popular claim because it always better to blame man for the problems in the world.

So give us a summary of this so-called evidence.

Since the claim of man-made climate change leads to things like carbon taxes on industry, individuals, regulations on companies, killing the energy industry, blocking other industries, it is a very serious claim you make.  The burden of proof is on you.  Making a claim that causes all levels of government to impose huge regulations on everyone that may harm society and life on earth means it takes on a whole different meaning.  It is not something someone should just go around scaring people into believing.  It negatively affects everyone's life.

Meanwhile those who have the last word on laws to fight climate change, like Trudeau and Carney, continue to fly around the world, at taxpayer expense, in big jets burning fossil fuels while they tell everyone how concerned they are about climate change.

Edited October 13, 2025 by blackbird

[SpankyMcFarland]

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

All I asked is for you to give a summary of why you believe the evidence is there.

You are the one that makes the claim that the evidence is overwhelming.  So what is it?

I suspect you are just blindly making this claim without even knowing yourself what this "overwhelming evidence" is.  

I suspect 99.999 % of people who say believe in man-made climate change do not know what the evidence is.  They are blindly accepting the claim.  That probably includes all the scientists.  They too just blindly accept the claim.  It is more of a fad or politically popular claim because it always better to blame man for the problems in the world.

So give us a summary of this so-called evidence.

Since the claim of man-made climate change leads to things like carbon taxes on industry, individuals, regulations on companies, killing the energy industry, blocking other industries, it is a very serious claim you make.  The burden of proof is on you.  Making a claim that causes all levels of government to impose huge regulations on everyone that may harm society and life on earth means it takes on a whole different meaning.  It is not something someone should just go around scaring people into believing.  It affect everyone's life.

You wouldn’t believe anything I presented so why should I waste my time? Here is a typical website that contains some of this evidence:

https://royalsociety.org/news-resources/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/basics-of-climate-change/

 

 

Edited October 13, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

God is in control.  Read the King James Bible and stop worrying about the climate.  

Yup, Planet B is up in heaven, why give a shit about this one?

The Arrogant Ape: the myth of human exceptionalism and why it matters.

 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

So far, we only know of one place where we can live in the universe. Shouldn’t we be zealous about caring for it, watching out for potential threats to the biosphere? 

[blackbird]

53 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So far, we only know of one place where we can live in the universe. Shouldn’t we be zealous about caring for it, watching out for potential threats to the biosphere? 

Under Trudeau and now Carney, the government's fight against climate change has cost Canadians billions of dollars and has imposed punishing regulations on industry, but none of it has affected climate change or made any difference.  All we received in return is millions more Canadians who cannot put food on their table, millions more who cannot afford to buy a home, and a continually failing health care system and a federal government approaching 100 billion dollars in debt. 

Edited October 13, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Trudeau, who led the biggest climate change scam, brought in carbon taxes, the industry emission regulations and caps, brought in bill C69, the no more pipelines law, the tanker ban, and killed the Northern Gateway Pipeline project, is now enjoying a luxurious yacht while Canadians endure higher costs of living for everything and massive federal debt.

  The voters are so gullible they believe anything.  Thank the climate change scammers.

Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau share loved-up embrace on luxury yacht

Edited October 13, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yup, Planet B is up in heaven, why give a shit about this one?

The Arrogant Ape: the myth of human exceptionalism and why it matters.

 

 

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...dahhh

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yup, Planet B is up in heaven, why give a shit about this one?

You know quite well I never said we shouldn't care about the planet.   

Bing Videos

There needs to be balance about taking care of the planet.  The world is not going to end because of climate change or because man uses fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels make live possible on this planet for about eight billion people.  Fossil fuels provide fuel to heat buildings, powers millions of cars, ships, aircraft, and trains.  Fossil fuels is what makes manufacturing possible of millions of things we all need.

It is not going to disappear because there is nothing that could take fossil fuels place on the scale we need it.

I doubt if most scientists say the world is going to end if we continue to use fossil fuels.  If we banned fossil fuels, the world would come to an end.  They are absolutely necessary for life to continue.  Fossil fuels make life bearable and possible for billions of people.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 

There needs to be balance about taking care of the planet.   

Do you think we can't afford it?