Its official, Trump broke the law

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

China will take its position in the world consistent with superpower economic status.   China is now the USA's #1 trading partner.

Trump will not preserve Canada's vision of post WW2 order because it is not his role to do so.

Obviously Canada doesn't care so much based on defence spending.

Ha ha, yes you import more from China than any other country (pay them) and sell more to Canada than any other country, but sure, maintain that trade advantage for China.  They can build more weapons!  Post WW2 order be damned.  I wonder what the new military alliance would be called with China at the helm. How about Pacific Trade Security and Defense (PTSD)?

[bush_cheney2004]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Ha ha, yes you import more from China than any other country (pay them) and sell more to Canada than any other country, but sure, maintain that trade advantage for China.  They can build more weapons!  Post WW2 order be damned.  I wonder what the new military alliance would be called with China at the helm. How about Pacific Trade Security and Defense (PTSD)?

 

It will be called "Belt and Road", renewing the economic trade strategy that China enjoyed for centuries.

Canada is more dependent on export trade than either the U.S. or China.

It is a bit disingenuous to insist that Trump/USA meet all your expectations when Canada can't even meet its own.

Edited February 6, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It will be called "Belt and Road", renewing the economic trade strategy that China enjoyed for centuries.

Canada is more dependent on export trade than either the U.S. or China.

It is a bit disingenuous to insist that Trump/USA meet all your expectations when Canada can't even meet its own.

I know about Belt and Road.  I was trying to make a funny — PTSD.  

Generally the strongest small countries are export driven and have trade surpluses.  We used to have big trade surpluses.  

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I know about Belt and Road.  I was trying to make a funny — PTSD.  

Generally the strongest small countries are export driven and have trade surpluses.  We used to have big trade surpluses.  

 

That's fine...Canada should do whatever it needs/wants to do, but that doesn't mean Trump or any U.S. president is going to always agree.

I find it odd that Trump "broke the law" and is held in such low regard in Canada, but there is still an expectation and demand that he has Canada's back....because "allies".

 

[Rue]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I thought the Americans benefited quite well from the post-WW2 order.  You’re right though, China’s time may soon be upon us, especially if Trump keeps thumbing his nose at allies and affirming dictators.  If you want to win friends and influence people you at least have to pretend to care about them.  

Not to go off topic but China's economy is a pyramid structure based on cheap labour and counterfeit copying. Its hit its peak and is now shrinking. Its not the powerhouse everyone thinks it is. It looks  more powerful than it is because of its size and amount of debt owed it on trade. The problem is it can not collect its account receivables and it can't keep growing as it did. Its a deck of cards about to collapse and when it does there will be another revolution and an extreme Stalinist dictatorship but a kibosh to many of the businesses that now run and are hiding revenues from the government in overseas bank accounts. China is an implosion waiting to happen. Its stock market is as frail as it gets.  Its headed the way the Soviet Union went.

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Not to go off topic but China's economy is a pyramid structure based on cheap labour and counterfeit copying. Its hit its peak and is now shrinking. Its not the powerhouse everyone thinks it is. It looks  more powerful than it is because of its size and amount of debt owed it on trade. The problem is it can not collect its account receivables and it can't keep growing as it did. Its a deck of cards about to collapse and when it does there will be another revolution and an extreme Stalinist dictatorship but a kibosh to many of the businesses that now run and are hiding revenues from the government in overseas bank accounts. China is an implosion waiting to happen. Its stock market is as frail as it gets.  Its headed the way the Soviet Union went.

 

I think the success or failure of China depends on whether it can provide the kind of transparency and accountability we demand for our own companies, public and private.  As long as Chinese business is an arm of the government and corporate espionage continues, including vast IP theft, western companies and investors should be wary.  

The other major factor is wages.  China’s export driven economy is built on cheap wages, holding back the creation of a big middle class that would provide a strong domestic market for its own goods   Japan made the transition in the 70’s and 80’s from being associated with cheap goods to high quality goods and a very well paid labour force.

Unlike Russia, which tried to bring political freedom before building a strong economy, China has held off political freedom with this strange form of totalitarian capitalism dressed up in communist symbolism   They need to shed all of that crap and create a truly responsive and open democracy.  They try to control Hong Kong but it should be the other way around.  

 

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The biggest political scandal, really?  Have you watched international news at all in the last five years?  DPA’s are old news in most western countries.  Naive Boy Scout Canada was late to the party.  The American and Brit businesses have gotten into God knows what in Libya and so many countries.  Remember Cheney and Halliburton in Iraq?   Good times....

SNC isn't just a criminal entity abroad, they're a criminal entity in Canada as well, with their proven history of bribing at least one Lib politician.

If you lived in a condo building and SNC was doing a report to see if your building was leaking, or how much it would cost to repair it, how would you feel about that now that you know they're so crooked? 

When you catch companies like that you need to make an example of them that no one else will follow. When the PM goes to bat for them, that's not a good example. It's disgusting.

[Shady]

18 hours ago, Rue said:

Bottom line is Trump is laughing and Nancy ripped up his state of the union address. Trump's decision to lower the state of the union address to a hokey partisan speech as well as her ripping up the speech response both turned it into a circus. Buck up Nancy, he could still choke on a KFC leg.

 

 

Every state of the union is a partisan speech.  Just because it's partisan, doesn't mean you act like a 5 year old and shit on 200 years of tradition.  Stop making excuses for bad behavior.  All senile Nancy did is now give Republicans a precedent to rip up the next Democrat president's speech.  

[Shady]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

Not to go off topic but China's economy is a pyramid structure based on cheap labour and counterfeit copying. Its hit its peak and is now shrinking.

Complete nonsense.  And the only reason their economy has slowed a bit is because of the new American tariffs. 

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, Shady said:

Every state of the union is a partisan speech.  Just because it's partisan, doesn't mean you act like a 5 year old and shit on 200 years of tradition.  Stop making excuses for bad behavior.  All senile Nancy did is now give Republicans a precedent to rip up the next Democrat president's speech.  

That's nothing compared to the power the Republicans just gave to future presidents.

 

 

 

[Shady]

21 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That's nothing compared to the power the Republicans just gave to future presidents.

 

 

 

Obama re-wrote existing law by himself.  It doesn’t get more powerful than that. 

[godzilla]

watching Trump this morning its clear that he can be a very lovable and charismatic person. and its obvious why he has supporters so drawn to that aspect of him. when he was thanking people he was so endearing.

its really too bad that he has this other 50% that is vengeful and grudge orientated. when the president of the united states uses new york mob boss language like "crocked cops" then its truly frightening. he has such a fragile ego and can't take any degree of criticism it seems without wanting to hound that person for the rest of both of their lives.

he could have been the most loved  president ever. he won't be. its not like even republicans look back to bush and get all warm and cuddly feeling.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

Obama re-wrote existing law by himself.  It doesn’t get more powerful than that. 

We'll have to wait and see just how powerful a POTUS can be. Are you suggesting Trump is somehow walking away from this with less power available to him than Obama had?

Is anyone aware of any credible rebut to concern's how the precedent set by the Republican's defense of Donald Trump empowers the POTUS or more to the point how it undermines the checks and balances intended to prevent too much power from falling into the executive branch?

I'm quite certain most answers will be composed of rolling eyes LMAO's and references to nothing-burgers which is why I asked for a credible rebut.  

[Shady]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

We'll have to wait and see just how powerful a POTUS can be. Are you suggesting Trump is somehow walking away from this with less power available to him than Obama had?

Is anyone aware of any credible rebut to concern's how the precedent set by the Republican's defense of Donald Trump empowers the POTUS or more to the point how it undermines the checks and balances intended to prevent too much power from falling into the executive branch?

I'm quite certain most answers will be composed of rolling eyes LMAO's and references to nothing-burgers which is why I asked for a credible rebut.  

Every executive branch builds on it's power.  Bush had more than Clinton.  Obama had more than Bush.   Trump has more than Obama.  

[eyeball]

Just now, Shady said:

Every executive branch builds on it's power.  Bush had more than Clinton.  Obama had more than Bush.   Trump has more than Obama.  

With no end in sight? You really think that's what the framers intended?

[Shady]

Just now, eyeball said:

With no end in sight? You really think that's what the framers intended?

No I don't, but that wasn't the question.  It's up to congress to assert it's power.  If they don't, it's their own fault.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

No I don't, but that wasn't the question.  It's up to congress to assert it's power.  If they don't, it's their own fault.

But this is more along the lines of a congress that just extended the power of the Republican Party's power simply because it can.  What'll happen when its Democrats turn or some brand new party that follows an even more demagogic leader that Trump?  

Edited February 6, 2020 by eyeball

[Shady]

Just now, eyeball said:

But this is more along the lines of a congress that just extended the power of the Republican Party's power simply because it can.  What'll happen when its Democrats turn or some brand new party that follows an even more demagogic leader that Trump?  

No they didn't.  They decided that the articles of impeachment didn't merit removal from office.

[eyeball]

39 minutes ago, Shady said:

No they didn't.  They decided that the articles of impeachment didn't merit removal from office.

The effect of which lowered the bar and changed what it is a President can and can't be impeached for.  Again I ask is there a credible Republican rebut to the implications of this new precedent going forward?

Edited February 6, 2020 by eyeball

[Shady]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The effect of which lowered the bar and changed what it is a President can and can't be impeached for.  Again I ask is there a credible Republican rebut to the implications of this new precedent going forward?

No, the Democrats were trying to lower the bar for what a President can be impeached for.  The bar remained high, as it should.  Impeachment is the death penalty. 

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, Shady said:

Impeachment is the death penalty. 

Making every future Congress either a hung-jury or a rigged one.  Each impeachment is more precedent setting than the one before and this one is no exception to that.

Edited February 6, 2020 by eyeball

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

No I literally let my membership expire after Martin.  I liked the Libs under Chrétien, but I was more of a pinko back before I became jaded and cynical.  I don’t like the federal Liberals now and haven’t for some time, though they look professional next to the wannabe Russian dictator mob boss in the White House.  I don’t even think he’s terrible,  but that’s not saying much.  The American supremacy thing is a bit sad and tries too hard.  I just think government leaders should aim higher.  It’s like, great, you have stuff, so what are you going to do with it?   Oh just get more stuff and consume to death.  Screw the environment and the shithole countries. America first.  Really honourable.  

The problem with you and most other Canadians is that you cannot recognize what a real and true politician looks, talks or acts like. Canadians have been dumb downed by a bunch of professional liars with the help of their bought off leftist liberal Canadian media. When I watch Trump at any of his rallies, his SOTU speech and news conferences, I see a politician who calls and says what needs to be said. Trump is not bull chitting anyone. Trump is pro-American and there is not a dam thing wrong with that. But your dear leader appears to be quite the anti-Canadian. The rest of the world is more important to that librano. 

I am not all that somewhat pro-Canadian anymore because I see our dear leaders as nothing more than a sorry bunch of leftist liberal and socialist politically correct bunch of bought off politicians by the globalist elite. The liberano mobsters are far from looking nor acting professional. Trudeau will say do as I say and shut up. This is my country and not your country and I will do as I dam well please and commit scandals and get away with them. Trump is no Russian dictator mob boss but your dear leader prime mistake of Canada does act like a Russian dictator and mobster. I would love to see one day a Trump like leader become the PM of Canada but that day may never come if that librano mobster in Ottawa keeps getting his way. 

Trump is the man. Trudeau is the feminist. 

[taxme]

16 hours ago, ReeferMadness said:

Because. he. is. president.  And the attorney general is corrupt.

For anyone who watches something besides Fox News, this really isn't too hard.

As if the leftist lieberal anti-Trump media in America is to be listened too and believed. For all those who only listen to other TV news outlets like CNN and MSNBCand not FOX will only get one side of the story, the negative lying bull chit side of the story. Try listening to Trump sometime at one of his rallies. Tens of try to get into the arena where he is about to speak. Many have to stay outside and listen to him on loud speakers. When Trudeau has some kind of speech to make, he is lucky if he can get 50 people to listen to him. 

Trump was "aquitted" of all charges against him, and thus Trump broke no law. He only has broken the law in your mind. Even the main stream leftist liberal American media had to admit that Trump broke no law. Even the leftist liberal New York Post, a no pro-Trump newspaper, had to admit he was aquitted of all charges. So keep living in your dream world that Trump broke the law. And when you can give me something for real on where Trump has broken any law, please let me know will you? This offer is for all other members here also.

So, go ahead, make your anti-Trump crummy day. Lol. 

[Rue]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  And the only reason their economy has slowed a bit is because of the new American tariffs. 

No not nonsense. The fact you disagree does not make it nonsense. In fact the only nonsense is you thinking China's economy is faultering because of new American tarrifs. Its deterioration might be aggravated by tarrifs but was not cused by tarrifs. Your cult worship of Trump blinds you to the possibility that phenomena incur in spite of Trump existing.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/15/741735791/chinas-economy-falters-slowest-growth-in-nearly-3-decades

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-power-to-boost-global-economy-is-fading-11564738205

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/chinas-current-gdp-growth-is-likely-less-than-6-percent-economist.html

https://www.aei.org/articles/the-chinese-economic-miracle-how-much-is-real-how-much-is-a-mirage/

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49791721

[eyeball]

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So watching the mental contortions they perform to justify their votes is painful to behold: They claim that calling witnesses would have meant a never-ending trial. They tell us they’ve made up their minds, so why would we need new evidence? They say to convict this president now would lead to the impeachment of every future president — as if every president will try to sell our national security to the highest bidder.

I have asked some of them, “If the Senate votes to acquit, what will you do to keep this president from getting worse?” Their responses have been shrugs and sheepish looks.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/opinion/trump-senate-acquittal-impeachment.html

I suspect if Trump was a Democrat that Republicans would have impeached him for treason.

I wonder what the response to the Democrat's acquittal would look like?  I hope I live long enough to find out.

Edited February 6, 2020 by eyeball