Immigrants cost Canada $30 billion per year

[Yzermandius19]

Can't tell people where to live, that's blatantly unconstitutional. Keep digging the grave deeper for yourself Zeitgeist, it's pretty funny.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Okay since you insist on following your half-baked assumptions off a cliff:

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjfhYHDw8LkAhVKvZ4KHdV1AqsQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theglobeandmail.com%2Fopinion%2Fcan-immigrants-be-told-where-they-must-live-in-canada%2Farticle31519796%2F&psig=AOvVaw3WUSiY_cSBgDVkpNPQNTK6&ust=1568076826397645

All that McCallum said there is that the permanent residency status is not absolute.  Nobody ever said it was.

None the less, once you grant someone the right to work and issue them a SIN number, they are permanent residents until such time as that is revoked.

They are protected by Section 6 throughout.

You can't tell them where to live and you can't tell them who to work for.

Even revoked their permanent residency is difficult to do, but that's all you can do, it's binary.

'While they can work and have a SIN number, they have the status of residents which are protected the same as citizens under the Charter.

[Dougie93]

This is how the system is gamed.

You come here and claim asylum

Once you are in you take a cheap labour job

Presto; you have residency in Canada.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Can't tell people where to live, that's blatantly unconstitutional. Keep digging the grave deeper for yourself Zeitgeist, it's pretty funny.

The best is him citing! from the internet, obviously hoping nobody bothers to read the piece which doesn't actually back up his assertions.

Classic internet pseudo intellectual.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The best is him citing! from the internet, obviously hoping nobody bothers to read the piece which doesn't actually back up his assertions.

Classic internet pseudo intellectual.

Confirmation bias is a helluva drug. Cognitive dissonance is a common side effect.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

This is how the system is gamed.

You come here and claim asylum

Once you are in you take a cheap labour job

Presto; you have residency in Canada.

C’mon, Dougie, this is pretty elementary stuff.  Until citizenship is granted, you’re into work permits, which can have all sorts of conditions attached.  Straight from the GofC:

Are there any conditions on my work permit?

Some conditions will be written directly on your work permit.

These may include:

• the type of work you can do,
• the employer you can work for,
• where you can work, or
• how long you can work.

Regulation 185 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations lists all the conditions that may be put on your work permit.

There are also standard conditions that apply to all work permit holders. Even if you have no specific conditions on your work permit, you still must:

• not work for an employer in a business where there are reasonable grounds to suspect a risk of sexual exploitation of some workers, specifically:
  • strip clubs,
  • massage parlours, and
  • escort agencies,
• leave Canada at the end of your authorized stay.

 

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Confirmation bias is a helluva drug. Cognitive dissonance is a common side effect.

The best is the piece he cited is just an opinion piece, not news, just some professor prattling on, doesn't even prattle what Zeitgeist claims he is prattling about.

Classic throw up an ostensible source, hopes nobody checks and sees its just a smokescreen,

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

C’mon, Dougie, this is pretty elementary stuff.  Until citizenship is granted, you’re into work permits, which can have all sorts of conditions attached.  Straight from the GofC:

Are there any conditions on my work permit?

Some conditions will be written directly on your work permit.

These may include:

• the type of work you can do,
• the employer you can work for,
• where you can work, or
• how long you can work.

Regulation 185 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations lists all the conditions that may be put on your work permit.

There are also standard conditions that apply to all work permit holders. Even if you have no specific conditions on your work permit, you still must:

• not work for an employer in a business where there are reasonable grounds to suspect a risk of sexual exploitation of some workers, specifically:
  • strip clubs,
  • massage parlours, and
  • escort agencies,
• leave Canada at the end of your authorized stay.

 

The person agrees to the conditions when they sign the permit.

They don't have to take the job if they don't want to,

They just sit on welfare until they get the job in the place they want.

They can move around and look for work wherever, in whatever province, when they find the employer, they apply there.

When they get the permit, they are residents and protected by Section 6

If they want to take a job in another province, they can and they do.

 

[Dougie93]

It's like Refugees who apply for asylum in Toronto.

Then they apply to do cheap labour out on the oil fields.

Then they go out to Alberta and sell Meth to the Roughnecks under the cover of a work permit,

[Dougie93]

Here's another classic way immigrants exploit Section 6

In mainland China they know its easy to get into Canada by way of Quebec by speaking French.

So they learn French and get permanent residency in Quebec.

But under Section 6 they don't have to stay in Quebec and of course they never intended to,

Soon as they are in, they move to where they really wanted to go, which is Toronto or Vancouver.

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's like Refugees who apply for asylum in Toronto.

Then they apply to do cheap labour out on the oil fields.

Then they go out to Alberta and sell Meth to the Roughnecks under the cover of a work permit,

Any refugee claimant who applied for a work permit while waiting to see if refugee status is granted would be highly likely to face conditions on a work permit, if one is even granted.  Blow the conditions and it’s highly likely you won’t be granted refugee status and will have to leave Canada.  Do some break the conditions and try to live and work in Canada? Yes but it’s a dumb move.  Meeting the conditions of a work permit is like earning good credit.  It also helps when applying for citizenship in other categories.  

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Any refugee claimant who applied for a work permit while waiting to see if refugee status is granted would be highly likely to face conditions on a work permit, if one is even granted.  Blow the conditions and it’s highly likely you won’t be granted refugee status and will have to leave Canada.  Do some break the conditions and try to live and work in Canada? Yes but it’s a dumb move.  Meeting the conditions of a work permit is like earning good credit.  It also helps when applying for citizenship in other categories.  

Refugees are rapidly upgraded to permanent residency by the millions, refugees are not even immigrants, they represent only the minority of entrants.

The majority of immigrants come in under the merit based point system, buy their way in essentially, they are permanent residents immediately, fully protected by Section 6

The agenda of the Eskimo Communists is to hand out Canadian passports like candy.

This is why it's best to have a second passport, from a real country rather than a Fake Country.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Many of my friends from the army were expats, lots of dual passport holders, British, American, European, South African.

If you want to go where Americans are targeted, that's what the Canadian passport is for.

If the shit actually hits the fan, that's what the American passport is for.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

The studies you quote were repudiated long ago. 

I await your cites which repudiated them with great eagerness.

[Zeitgeist]

It’s quite hard to get citizenship through the points system.  Even if you rock it with qualifications, there’s a processing backlog, which is why many applicants seek temporary work permits, which usually have conditions attached.  

Many refugee claims are rejected.  They do get that year though.   There are many applicants in that limbo.  

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

It’s quite hard whet citizenship through the points system.

There's billions of people in the world, millions of them qualify, hundreds of thousands of them enter every year, none of them can be restricted in terms of where they live and work

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Many of my friends from the army were expats, lots of dual passport holders, British, American, European, South African.

If you want to go where Americans are targeted, that's what the Canadian passport is for.

If the shit actually hits the fan, that's what the American passport is for.

What desirable countries does the Canadian passport prevent you from entering?

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There's billions of people in the world, millions of them qualify, hundreds of thousands of them enter every year, none of them can be restricted in terms of where they live and work

Dougie you need to stop.  Those are completely ridiculous and untrue statements.  Have you traveled recently?  There are visa requirements for many countries’ nationals, even to enter Canada as a tourist.  Work permits have higher requirements.  

Edited September 9, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Dougie you need to stop.  Those are completely ridiculous and untrue statements.  Have you traveled recently?  There are visa requirements for many countries’ nationals, even to enter Canada as a tourist.  Work permits have higher requirements.  

You're free to come try to stop me.  Send bachelors, come heavy.

Work permits are handed out like candy too, that's why the refugees come here.  They know its easy to obtain permanent residency by undercutting locals as cheap labour.

There are corporations lining up to hire them, when they get the work permits they quickly obtain residency by these means.

Your assertion that the Elite Consensus agenda of flooding cheap labour into the country,  to keep work scarce in order to stave off inflation,  can be stopped by residency requirements,  is false, both de jure and de facto.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

It’s fair to debate the numbers of immigrants and criteria for entry.  The labour market is fairly tight in Canada.  There are skilled worker shortages in some sectors.  The temporary foreign workers have been controversial because it is sometimes felt that these workers are taking jobs Canadians would do, but are taking them at lower wages, which drives down wages for everyone.  This is the fair criticism of globalization and offshoring.  The promise of globalization is greater distribution of wealth and increased wealth and productivity for all as more goods, services and ideas are freely exchanged.  We’re essentially caught in this adjustment and dealing with environmental and migration pressures at the same time.  

That’s the cocktail: the pressure of international competition, automation, mass migration, climate change adaptation and CO2 emissions reduction costs, ethnic conflict, greens versus resource developers, libs versus conservatives, populists versus technocrats....Immigration is an important piece of the puzzle and only a piece.  

[Dougie93]

I don't mind, flood the immigrants in.

Two birds with one stone.

Keeps wages and prices down.

Threatens the French Ethnonationalist Distinct Society.

All the better to bring the Post National State down by its own hand.

[bush_cheney2004]

47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s fair to debate the numbers of immigrants and criteria for entry.  The labour market is fairly tight in Canada. 

 

The StatsCan numbers are already in....skilled immigrants depress the wages and opportunities for higher educated Canadian citizens.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/immigration-has-lowered-wages-in-canada-statscan-1.242667

Edited September 9, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

46 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The StatsCan numbers are already in....skilled immigrants depress the wages and opportunities for higher educated Canadian citizens.

All an imperative of the moribund socialist economy which requires protectionism and  policy stimulus intervention to prop it up.

The real economy is moribund while asset classes are inflated.

This incites the delusion of prosperity.

However it is a trap, because the need to stave off the debt bubble popping requires constant emergency levels of deflationary pressure.

Without inflation there is no incentive to invest in the real economy.

When it goes into negative interest, you're on the brink of a wage and price spiral.

[jacee]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is not two- tier citizenship because the candidate isn’t a citizen until criteria are met.  

Slight complication:

Permanent residency precedes citizenship. 

People who qualify as immigrants to Canada via the points system are given Permanent Residency. 

*We have no problem getting enough immigrants for quota via the points system, and more who would, so why would we accept any who don't qualify for Permanent Residency? 

*Permanent Residents are covered by the Charter of Rights, including Freedom of Mobility.

*And there are already sizable numbers of (eg) Muslim immigrants in every small-medium sized city in Canada, because they go where the jobs are. 

I just don't see your idea as useful, feasible or necessary in the real circumstances. 

Edited September 9, 2019 by jacee

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, jacee said:

Slight complication:

Permanent residency precedes citizenship. 

People who qualify as immigrants to Canada via the points system are given Permanent Residency. 

*We have no problem getting enough immigrants for quota via the points system, and more who would, so why would we accept any who don't qualify for Permanent Residency? 

*Permanent Residents are covered by the Charter of Rights, including Freedom of Mobility.

*And there are already sizable numbers of (eg) Muslim immigrants in every small-medium sized city in Canada, because they go where the jobs are. 

I just don't see your idea as useful, feasible or necessary in the real circumstances. 

Well as you can read in the 2016 article I cited, it is plausible to add temporary residency conditions on new citizens, which isn’t what I’m proposing.  Parliament can easily create a new applicant category with a residential condition and keep work permits temporary until the residency conditions are met, at which point, bring on the permanent residency and citizenship.  No Charter challenge would shift a voluntary application process that requires meeting a residency condition prior to obtaining permanent residency and citizenship.  

Edited September 9, 2019 by Zeitgeist