The purpose or logic behind mass shootings.

[Dougie93]

It all just keeps coming back around again on a rotation.

The Temperance Lady, the Know Nothings, the Domino Theory, Remember the Maine, etcetera.

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Culture is destiny, the Temperance Lady casts a long shadow, the Second Great Awakening is another in a series of American revolutions.

Nosy Religious Busy Bodies all up in everybody's sh*t, never minding their own business while constantly virtue signaling and looking down their noses with a false sense of moral superiority. 

Revolting.

Edited August 9, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Nosy Religious Busy Bodies all up in everybody's sh*t, never minding their own business and constantly virtue signaling, revolting.

Puritanical Calvinism. <spits tobacco juice>

Work is bullshit, jobs are jails.

[Dougie93]

And of course a hundred years ago, Return to Normalcy 1.0;  the mass panic was the Bomb Throwing Anarchists. 

That was the Mass Shooters of the day.

In Britain they invoked it as the Bomb Throwing Socialists.

That's the Rubric which the British used to justify rounding up all the guns in the UK.

[Dougie93]

Return to Normalcy 1.0 was also the resurgence of the Klu Klux Klan, 60,000 marched on Washington.

It's like America has a template response to economic displacement (and Canada as usual just panics about the Americans)

Then agrarian to industrial age, now industrial to information age.

[Dougie93]

Whatever the supposed tactical motivations of individual Americans, because it is a religion, at the strategic level there are common and recurring themes and archetypes.

And they can be fit together in combinations like Lego.

So the mass panic of the Bomb Throwing Anarchists is being incited by a John Brown from Bleeding Kansas, except this time he hasn't come to Free the Slaves, this time it's Remember the Alamo and revenging himself on the Mexicans.

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[betsy]

Media, is another factor that may be contributing to these mass shootings!

 

Look how they do coverage on tragic incidents.   They're no longer content to cover it for a day - it goes on, and on, and on!   They make a big deal out of grief and sufferings of relatives, like as if we need to be apprised that they grieve at all.  Omigosh - the shock of it!  People expressed their fear of that moment!   Media even cover the funerals in some cases!

Just imagine what that do to an egoistic killer (even if his name isn't mentioned at all) who survived that?  What more if this turd has a sadistic streak?  You can just see the smug little smirk.

"I caused all that!"

 

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[dialamah]

An op-ed from LA Times describing what researchers have discovered about mass shooters by examing every mass shooting from 1966.

Summary:  The majority of mass shooters experienced trauma or exposure to violence in their early life - that's real violence, not video-game violence.  This trauma/violence is a precurser to mental health issues such as depression, anxiety, thought disorders, suicidal ideation.   There was some kind of crisis weeks or months ahead of the shooting.   Media provides a script through 24-hour-news cycles, and through dissemination of other shooters' thoughts and behavior, and promises notoriety in death.   Many have been radicalized through online validation of their will to murder - (people who bully deserve to die and I would be justified in killing those who bullied me or stood by while I was bullied; I will be saving my culture if I kill some Muslims, Blacks, Jews, Hispanics on my way out of this world). 

From the article:

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Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-
be shooter obtain firearms? 

The op-ed goes on to suggest some ways to intervene before the shooter gets to the point of selecting a site and finding the weapons.

[betsy]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

An op-ed from LA Times describing what researchers have discovered about mass shooters by examing every mass shooting from 1966.

 I will be saving my culture if I kill some Muslims, Blacks, Jews, Hispanics on my way out of this world). 

 

...or...........I'll be a martyr for Allah if I kill as many infidels as I can.

I wonder why isn't religious ideology included in that op-ed?  When Islamic terrorism is the most rampant? 

 

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Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives. People in crisis have always existed.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy-mass-shooters-data

I'd say, it's likely that it had inspired some recent mass shooters.

 

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But in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety in death.

 

Our mainstream 24-hour media had become tabloids!  They sensationalize and really milk a tragedy.

 

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Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them. Hence, as we have seen in the last week, mass shootings tend to come in clusters. They are socially contagious. Perpetrators study other perpetrators and model their acts after previous shootings. Many are radicalized online in their search for validation from others that their will to murder is justified.

Copycats! 

Anything -you-can-do-I-can-do-better!

Edited August 9, 2019 by betsy

[betsy]

ONLY ONE THING IS ALMOST CERTAIN:   certain people are prone to it.

Not all people who got bullied, or who got abused, or who'd experienced traumatic violence had become mass murderers, and certainly the same can be said for those who are religious or patriotic.

We don't know the triggers that could set off someone.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

ONLY ONE THING IS ALMOST CERTAIN:   certain people are prone to it.

Not all people who got bullied, or who got abused, or who'd experienced traumatic violence had become mass murderers, and certainly the same can be said for those who are religious or patriotic.

We don't know the triggers that could set off someone.

People are prone to it.

People are 99% Chimpanzee.

You were born the most violent killing machine in the known universe, it was your parents who had to condition you not to mass murder at a whim.

Apex predator males are especially prone to it, which is why they are so effective for the military.

[betsy]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

People are prone to it.

People are 99% Chimpanzee.

You were born the most violent killing machine in the known universe, it was your parents who had to condition you not to mass murder at a whim.

Apex predator males are especially prone to it, which is why they are so effective for the military.

Lol.  What's the population - how many mas murderers?

It's about mental health.  

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[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

Lol.  What's the population - how many mas murderers?

It's about mental health.  

Then why did the Canadian Army teach me that everyone is a killer by nature, and my job as instructor of recruits was to deprogram them from what their parents conditioned them for, so that they will mass murder on behalf of the state?

Are you saying my soldiers are mentally ill?  Are you saying the Canadian Army is inflicting mental illness on the troops?  Honest question, not being snarky.

[Michael Hardner]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Perhaps it's the lower population?

A cursory look at the stats would show you there's a problem with that just looking at the top 3 rates.

[betsy]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Then why did the Canadian Army teach me that everyone is a killer by nature, and my job as instructor of recruits was to deprogram them from what their parents conditioned them for, so that they will mass murder on behalf of the state?

Are you saying my soldiers are mentally ill?  Are you saying the Canadian Army is inflicting mental illness on the troops?  Honest question, not being snarky.

That's the army!   Killing is part and parcel of being a soldier - hesitation can kill you, or your team!

You said the words:  DEPROGRAM.   CONDITIONING.

 

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How soldiers deal with the job of killing

"We recruit people to kill. We train people to kill. We make the orders. Yet after the fact, we don't talk about killing.

"We talk about destroying, engaging, dropping, bagging - you don't hear the word killing."

"He had an AK47 and he was going to kill me. I was cool, calm and collected the whole time. I knew I had a job to do. I knew I was going to do it, and I did. I was a soldier. That was my job. And that was war."

Won't shoot

But what of those who refuse to pull the trigger? Military psychologists debate the issue of non-firers, and some say this is because their psyche is repulsed by the act of killing.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-13687796

 

If you need to "deprogram" people and "condition" them to become killers - that means, you have to bring that buried killer instinct right out from them. 

Edited August 9, 2019 by betsy

[Dougie93]

Just now, betsy said:

That's the army!   Killing is part and parcel of being a soldier - hesitation can kill you, or your team!

You said the words:  DEPROGRAM.   CONDITIONING.

But you said the mass media was conditioning these killers, so how is that different than what the Army does?

If you say these killers are mentally ill by conditioning of the mass media, then by logical extension the soldiers we condition to mass murder for the state are mentally ill by the same means.

 

[betsy]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

But you said the mass media was conditioning these killers, so how is that different than what the Army does?

If you say these killers are mentally ill by conditioning of the mass media, then by logical extension the soldiers we condition to mass murder for the state are mentally ill by the same means.

 

 

Not everyone who watches the news media end up killing, whereas everyone who joins the army does (if it warrants it).

Some people who join the army do so for the wrong reason - defending the country, isn't it.  They want to kill.  Some may have been "triggered" by what they have experienced at wartime - and they commit atrocious acts.   We have heard of military men that were kicked out from the military and/or court martialed.

 

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[Dougie93]

Just now, betsy said:

 

Not everyone who watches the news media end up killing, whereas everyone who joins the army does (if it warrants it).

So if you have no compunction about mass murdering people, that's not mental illness, it's only mental illness if you actually follow through?

[betsy]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

So if you have no compunction about mass murdering people, that's not mental illness, it's only mental illness if you actually follow through?

We are talking about soldiers.  As you say, they are deprogrammed to kill (for their country).   Killing comes with the territory of being a soldier.

Don't compare them, and reduce them to the level of lunatics we see on tv.

Edited August 9, 2019 by betsy

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

We are talking about soldiers.  As you say, they are deprogrammed to kill (for their country). 

Don't compare them, and reduce them to the level of lunatics we see on tv.

I am one of them, I am free to compare myself to whatever I please, Her Majesty defends the right.

[betsy]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am one of them, I am free to compare myself to whatever I please, Her Majesty defends the right.

That's you.   If you want to compare yourself to these lunatics - that's your own choice.  Feel free!

You should check out the definition of "DEPROGRAM."

We're not on the same page.  Believe what you want!

Bye.

 

Edited August 9, 2019 by betsy

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

We're not on the same page.  Believe what you want!

Bye.

I am on the same page with you that media can recondition people back to their natural state of mass murdering apex predator, I simply do not accept that it is an illness.

Good day, madam.

[betsy]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am on the same page with you that media can recondition people back to their natural state of mass murdering apex predator, I simply do not accept that it is an illness.

Good day, madam.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

People are prone to it.

People are 99% Chimpanzee.

You were born the most violent killing machine in the known universe, it was your parents who had to condition you not to mass murder at a whim.

Apex predator males are especially prone to it, which is why they are so effective for the military.

 

 

I'm curious. 

You see chimpanzees murdering one another at the zoo, let alone committing mass killings in the jungle?

So, why do parents  condition their children not to mass murder?  Why aren't parents mass murdering at all? 

 

 

 

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[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, betsy said:

I'm curious. 

You see chimpanzees murdering one another at the zoo, let alone committing mass killings in the jungle?

So, why do parents  condition their children not to mass murder?  Why aren't parents mass murdering at all?

Yes. 

In fact,  Chimpanzees are the only other animal on earth besides us which makes war.

The Chimpanzees are also cannibals, when one pack makes war on another, they eat who they kill.

The females within each pack condition their young to identify with whichever pack they are in, not to murder members of their own pack.

[betsy]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Yes. 

In fact,  Chimpanzees are the only other animal on earth besides us which makes war.

The Chimpanzees are also cannibals, when one pack makes war on another, they eat who they kill.

The females within each pack condition their young to identify with whichever pack they are in, not to murder members of their own pack.

It's about survival.

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Murder 'comes naturally' to chimpanzees

These parameters link the violence to natural selection: killing competitors improves a male chimp's access to resources like food and territory - and crucially, it will happen more frequently when there is greater competition from neighbouring groups, and when the males can patrol in large numbers, with less risk to their own survival.

"Humans are not destined to be warlike because chimpanzees sometimes kill their neighbours."

 

Prof John Mitani, a behavioural ecologist at the University of Michigan and one of the study's authors, agrees. "There is considerable variation in rates of killing by chimpanzees living in different populations, so even in chimpanzees killing is not inevitable," he said.

"And, of course, we are humans and not chimpanzees.

We have the ability to shape and alter our behaviour in ways that they can't."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29237276

 

So now, we know why the military has to deprogram a soldier in order to make him a killer.

Edited August 9, 2019 by betsy