Handguns and Assault Rifles

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

This is why it won't happen. If it did, most people, like you, would go 'meh'. A tiny number would be happy. On the other hand, a not-insignificant number of people would be enraged to the day they die, and would vote against the party that did it in everything they ever proposed thereafter.

So you make a ton of to-the-death enemies, and for what? To please a few progressives? Simply not worth it. Which is why no government will try, and if they did, why they'd be very unlikely to ever get the agreement of enough of the provinces to push it through.

I actually agree with you.  There’s no appetite to get rid of the monarch in Canada.  Canadians generally respect and like Queen Elizabeth 2.  I also think William will be popular.  Chuck on our currency?  Bit of a stretch but sure, why not?  I enjoy the ceremony and links to an important part of our country’s roots.  I just think we have to be careful not to ascribe too much significance to it.  We are no longer a colony and shouldn’t act as such.  

[Dougie93]

They're not going to overthrow the Crown to make Canada a republic winningly, as if Quebec is a republic then no referendum required; they are gone on the spot.

None the less, Quebec will impose the result on them, by way of peaceful democratic self determination under the Clarity Act, by those means will Confederation fall.

That however does not mean Ontario is not a Dominion, we have a Leftenant Governor still, Ontario remains loyal to the British Crown, even after Confederation falls.

[taxme]

21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because the American narrative and extremes are used to pursue many different agendas in Canada, seemingly because the actual facts on the ground in Canada lack the perceived impact and significance seen "south of the border".    I don't know why this is the case...maybe it is the very nature of American media dominance and consumption in Canada.

"Even in the U.S." is a favourite crutch for Canadian media to help give extra credibility to contentious issues.

Shootings in Canada tear away at the thin veneer of smug superiority so important to keeping the American barbarian ways at bay.

 

 

The Canadian news media has to fill in the time somewhere. There is not enough happening in Canada so they have to go look for something happening in America to report on so they can justify their somewhat useless boring jobs. I will never understand why the Canadian news media has such a fascination with American news. It takes up pretty much 50% of their time. 

And most of their news is all about big bad Trump-Trump-Trump. If the Canadian news media wanted to go after anybody they should go after comrade Trudeau. That fool has and is still doing great harm and damage to this country. I could report on what that fool is doing 24 hours a day. I guess American news is more important to bitch and whine about all day long in the Canadian media. 

Those 22 shooting incidents that happened in Toronto last weekend is what the Canadian media should be talking about more and expose those gang drug members as to what ethnic people they belong too. They sure were not white nationalists. If it were we would all have known by now as to what there skin color was. But of course to do so with others that would probably be seen as racist. Those drug gang members have no problem getting their criminal hands on guns and assault rifles even though Canada is supposed to have some tough gun laws. Gun laws do not work. Tougher prison sentences will. Don't blame the gun, blame the shooter. Guns cannot fire a bullet out of it's chamber without some assistance. Canada has become more of an inferior looking country rather than coming anywhere close to looking like a superior country. We all should know by now as to who has made this so? Want to take a guess? 

Edited August 9, 2019 by taxme

[Army Guy]

45 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re wrong.  It’s fine for the US and Britain to be allies despite the fact that one has a monarch and the other gave up that monarch.  Canada could do the same and she would remain an ally of Britain and the US.  What is not okay is your lack of loyalty to the country you supposedly served.  That’s where you blow it big time.  It’s worse than mercenary. It’s treachery. 

 

I love this nation as much as anyone can, but I will not forget how this same nation treats it members of DND, or for that matter any security dept....having to sue the government in court to get basic medical benefits / workman comp benefits that every other Canadian already has....why does a double amputee have to prove to the government every year that his legs have not grown back....why do we have to wait 1 year or more to see a mental health expert.....this is not the only case there is thousands out there...And then you stand up and accuse one of it's former members of being nothing more than a dirty treacherous merc because he is bitter of the way Canada and it's citizens have treated him....excuse him for not smiling when you bend him over slap some sand on his ass and tell him , he may feel a little pinch... Your a real classy guy....

Canadian soldiers are asking for the same thing you already have...and yet we are told at ever corner...NO, or my favorite, I pay you , so STFU you knew what you were getting into before you joined up....

What gives you the right to judge anyone, let alone a soldier , because you pay taxes....we all pay taxes...is it because you've served, you hold some elite position some where....do you have holes in your hands and feet, maybe sit on a throne some where...

[Dougie93]

To be clear, I personally bear no grudge nor ill will towards the Canadian taxpayer on my behalf.

In my experience, we were the best paid, best fed, best housed, best trained army in the world.

Whatever hardships came of me being a soldier of the Crown, I brought them upon myself freely, and I endured those hardships gladly, happy warrior.

I am owed no further entitlements than that which have been paid and are continuing to be paid, all is square between the Canadian taxpayer and me.

All the more reason for me to remain loyal and hold to my solemn oath, to take lives, or if necessary lay my life down, between you and any threat on this earth, on behalf of our Commander-in-Chief, Elizabeth Windsor.

 Ducimus.

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

Avoid derailing discussions lest I do so for you.

[Yzermandius19]

9 hours ago, taxme said:

Gun laws do not work. Don't blame the gun, blame the shooter. Guns cannot fire a bullet out of it's chamber without some assistance.

Indeed, blaming the inanimate object makes no sense. If some people who own Honda Civics start running over crowds of people, banning Honda Civics won't solve the problem.

Edited August 10, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Army Guy]

21 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

To be clear, I personally bear no grudge nor ill will towards the Canadian taxpayer on my behalf.

In my experience, we were the best paid, best fed, best housed, best trained army in the world.

Whatever hardships came of me being a soldier of the Crown, I brought them upon myself freely, and I endured those hardships gladly, happy warrior.

I am owed no further entitlements than that which have been paid and are continuing to be paid, all is square between the Canadian taxpayer and me.

All the more reason for me to remain loyal and hold to my solemn oath, to take lives, or if necessary lay my life down, between you and any threat on this earth, on behalf of our Commander-in-Chief, Elizabeth Windsor.

 Ducimus.

Those days have long passed, I think you would be very disappointed at what current state our military is in, how far training standards have slipped, and how few pieces of equipment we do have, and  when their is money to operate it. 

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Indeed, blaming the inanimate object makes no sense. If some people who own Honda Civics start running over crowds of people, banning Honda Civics won't solve the problem.

Try and make a liberal/socialist understand that? The majority of them appear to not be running on all cylinders. Just saying. 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Those days have long passed, I think you would be very disappointed at what current state our military is in, how far training standards have slipped, and how few pieces of equipment we do have, and  when their is money to operate it. 

Political correctness is what is killing the military in Canada. I look at some of the people in the military today, and I wonder as to how they ever got into the military in the fist place, and most of them look like they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag. The military is all about hiring people from the LGPOTSDQ or to hire more people from all different diverse backgrounds. Just look at a picture of what the fighting Canadian soldiers looked like during WW2 and look at what the Canadian soldiers look like in the military today. And most of the Canadian police forces are no better in Canada today. They have all become politically correct. When those two outfits mentioned above start to hire transgender people will those trans be allowed to be a man today and a woman tomorrow when they feel like it and what suits them on that day? The COR says that they have to be hired. No discrimination allowed. Just wondering. 

[Dougie93]

On 8/10/2019 at 2:24 PM, Army Guy said:

Those days have long passed, I think you would be very disappointed at what current state our military is in, how far training standards have slipped, and how few pieces of equipment we do have, and  when their is money to operate it. 

None of that is the fault of the Canadian taxpayer, there is no public rule in Canada, thus, whether it is Gun Control or National Defence, the corruption, incompetence and dysfunction is all the same and all emanating from the same source.

Hence why I said I bear no grudge nor ill will,  nor ask any to be borne on my behalf, towards the Canadian taxpayer,  the Canadian taxpayer has been good to me, I have no complaints about the poor set upon Canadian taxpayer who is at the mercy of the Eastern Elites who run the Confederation as de facto taxation without representation.

Never the less, in a free country, one is not bound to any loyalty to the government.  As Canada is a constitutional monarchy, one is only bound to be loyal to the monarch.

The Queen is above the fray, the Queen is not partisan, and as such,  I can remain fiercely loyal to the Commander-in-Chief without answering to the Canadian government,  nor the Canadian public, because Canada is not a republic, and it's most certainly not a people's republic.

In terms of the state of the army, seems like the resources are being diverted to CANSOFCOM, so the Regular Force is downgraded while CANSOFCOM becomes the all purpose expeditionary force.

In terms of the standards, I can't say what they are at this juncture, however; there are no bad soldiers, only bad leaders, and those leaders are not the Canadian taxpayers, as again, whether it be Gun Control or National Defence, all of that is at the mercy of the philosopher kings of the Liberal Party of Canada and associated fake opposition one party state elite consensus.

 

[Domitian]

Does anyone here have a hunting license? Or own any guns? I do. 

Canada has extremely strict gun control. Am I for it? Yup. --- Handguns, LOL! It's next to impossible to have a (legal) handgun in Canada unless you're a police officer or some other profession which requires you to be armed (or have held a hunting license for a while and can prove that you're competitive shooter at a range etc). 

Among other things to posses a firearm (hunting rifle) in Canada ... you need to have no domestic violence complaints/charges, not have had a divorce in the last year. You need to get a type of psychological interview from the RCMP and (at times) your provincial police as well. You need to get a clean bill of mental health from a psychologist (I think it's two now in in some provinces) ... among other things. 

That being said I have no problem with it. Guns in the wrong hands are, obviously, dangerous. As for handguns, for what? .... Want to touch an assault weapon? They Canadian government has a program, it's called the military.

 

 

[Domitian]

On 8/10/2019 at 6:00 PM, taxme said:

Political correctness is what is killing the military in Canada. I look at some of the people in the military today, and I wonder as to how they ever got into the military in the fist place, and most of them look like they could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag. The military is all about hiring people from the LGPOTSDQ or to hire more people from all different diverse backgrounds. Just look at a picture of what the fighting Canadian soldiers looked like during WW2 and look at what the Canadian soldiers look like in the military today. And most of the Canadian police forces are no better in Canada today. They have all become politically correct. When those two outfits mentioned above start to hire transgender people will those trans be allowed to be a man today and a woman tomorrow when they feel like it and what suits them on that day? The COR says that they have to be hired. No discrimination allowed. Just wondering. 

Have you ever been in the military? 

 

[Domitian]

On 8/10/2019 at 1:35 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

Indeed, blaming the inanimate object makes no sense. If some people who own Honda Civics start running over crowds of people, banning Honda Civics won't solve the problem.

Honda Civics get people to work. Aside from professional situations, Canada has banned handguns and almost every other firearm except hunting rifles. We're not Americans. We have had gun control since basically the foundation of the nation. 

Consequentially, deaths attributed to firearms is exceedingly low. A very good thing.

Why do you need a handgun? 

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Domitian

[Domitian]

On 8/9/2019 at 4:33 PM, Army Guy said:

 

I love this nation as much as anyone can, but I will not forget how this same nation treats it members of DND, or for that matter any security dept....having to sue the government in court to get basic medical benefits / workman comp benefits that every other Canadian already has....why does a double amputee have to prove to the government every year that his legs have not grown back....why do we have to wait 1 year or more to see a mental health expert.....this is not the only case there is thousands out there...And then you stand up and accuse one of it's former members of being nothing more than a dirty treacherous merc because he is bitter of the way Canada and it's citizens have treated him....excuse him for not smiling when you bend him over slap some sand on his ass and tell him , he may feel a little pinch... Your a real classy guy....

Canadian soldiers are asking for the same thing you already have...and yet we are told at ever corner...NO, or my favorite, I pay you , so STFU you knew what you were getting into before you joined up....

What gives you the right to judge anyone, let alone a soldier , because you pay taxes....we all pay taxes...is it because you've served, you hold some elite position some where....do you have holes in your hands and feet, maybe sit on a throne some where...

I appreciate your sentiment... however, besides lip service and 'foundations' and bumper stickers. The State, any of them, have never given a lick about their soldiers once the war has been settled. 

In fact, they used to use soldiers bones as fertilizer. 

https://www.historyextra.com/period/were-the-pulverised-bones-of-soldiers-and-horses-who-died-at-the-battle-of-waterloo-sold-as-soil-fertiliser/

It's sort of downplayed - but that went on way before Napoleon came around. 

You think it's different now? Why pay for the amputee? He's done his/her job. He/she cannot afford a top lawyer and even if that were the case - the state has unlimited funds. It's cruel, but, there is zero reason to pay.

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, Domitian said:

I appreciate your sentiment... however, besides lip service and 'foundations' and bumper stickers. The State, any of them, have never given a lick about their soldiers once the war has been settled. 

In fact, they used to use soldiers bones as fertilizer. 

https://www.historyextra.com/period/were-the-pulverised-bones-of-soldiers-and-horses-who-died-at-the-battle-of-waterloo-sold-as-soil-fertiliser/

It's sort of downplayed - but that went on way before Napoleon came around. 

You think it's different now? Why pay for the amputee? He's done his/her job. He/she cannot afford a top lawyer and even if that were the case - the state has unlimited funds. It's cruel, but, there is zero reason to pay.

 

 

Governments should honour their vets, especially those injured in action, with decent disability supports and pensions.  I don’t think Canada is out of line with the best practices in the militaries of other developed countries.   I remember controversy around some veteran service offices being shut down, which were then reopened by the subsequent government.  

In the end the treatment of the military, seniors, and any other segment of the population in Canada is determined by the electorate who vote for the parties and their respective platforms.  It’s got nothing to do with so-called “elites”, the monarchy, or any foreign power.  Canada is a democracy.

There’s a limited amount of tax revenue in the kittey for public expenditures.  That’s why the safety and security of the society must be considered across all departments and policy considerations.  What makes a safe, peaceful, and harmonious society?  I’d argue that erring on the side of generosity towards the vulnerable — extreme poor, disabled, and elderly, for example — helps prevent the kinds of disparity that destroy communities and breed resentment.  That’s a security measure because generally when people feel they have opportunity and that they’re not trapped in a cycle of poverty, they’re more motivated to participate in the “system”.  Hard work has to pay off.  

Some might say that redistributing too much wealth raises taxes too high and burdens one segment too much with the costs of running the institutions.  I agree.  Taxes can’t be too high or else people either stop working or cheat the system.  

An added security measure is making sure that the country’s foreign policy is diplomatic and fair.  If other countries see Canada as an honest broker that supports fair trade, decent labour and environmental standards, representative democracy, free speech, and essential human rights, it’s hard to argue against such principles. Most people in most countries will support countries that stand for such ideas and won’t seek to invade or attack them.  Canada has done quite well in this regard, as long as we stick to what is fair and don’t support the policies of allies when they are wrong simply because they are allies.  Again, Canada has done quite well in that regard, refusing to go all in on the second Iraq invasion and refusing to attempt Muslim bans or hostile foreign policy.  

Having said that, we are very impacted by our southern neighbor.  Canadian policy setting becomes very challenging when there’s a major swing in government in the US.  The policy on Iran is a case in point, as the US swung from trying to reestablish positive relations with Iran if it stuck to inspections and keeping nuclear arms out of their arsenal to imposing bigger sanctions on Iran.  Even though Canada has had its own serious concerns with Iran, we see the US policy contradictions, as Trump then makes deals with North Korea that look much like Obama’s policy towards Iran.  Basically we see how Canada is impacted by partisan moves by US governments.  We should try, nevertheless, to maintain consistent standards. We have our own problems with partisan politics.  

Where we can draw a clear distinction between Canada and the US on public safety is on the level of gun control and the number of guns.  Canada is a much safer society, at least to some significant degree because of our stricter gun control.  Again, however, we are impacted by US policy because guns are coming across the border and our gun control is still allowing for handguns and assault rifles to be purchased in Canada.  These aren’t necessary for hunting and there is no good reason for civilians to have them.  The time for stricter gun control is now, because if there are too many guns in circulation, soon people will demand guns to protect themselves from “bad guys” with guns.  We need to shut this eventuality down while we still can.  A buy-back program of handguns and assault rifles would be a very worthwhile long-term investment in public safety.  

Ensure the courts aren’t putting owners of illegal weapons back out on the street with a slap on the wrist, ban handguns and assault rifles (all semi-automatic weapons), strengthen border inspections on firearms, boost community policing and supports in gang-land areas, and follow Blair’s other recommendations.  The one exception might be to grandfather the legal ownership of semi-automatic rifles for people outside of the cities that ban them, so that hunters who currently own them legally aren’t penalized.  However, no new sales of handguns and assault rifles.  

Edited August 15, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

If Canada is a democracy wherein your property can be confiscated by the rule of a mob in downtown Toronto without any protections for the individual in the face of that totalitarianism, all the more reason to despise Canada as I do, Canada is a tyrannical millstone around our necks,  which we will bring down by democratic self determination under the Clarity Act in the name of the British Crown,  which is the only constitution Canada has.

They can confiscate your house by the same means which they confiscate your guns, it's mob rule with no protections for the individual, it is now a thought crime to even speak out against this criminal gang, as they will falsely accuse you of treason therein, "treason" against their de facto non representative direct democracy people's republic which de jure doesn't actually exist under our constitutional law and is in fact a classic case of totalitarianism.

Canada does not protect you, does not protect your property, does not protect your rights, it's a racist apartheid police state ruled by a cabal of elites from their ivory towers in Toronto, an ignominious tyranny which will bring itself down in the end.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, Domitian said:

Honda Civics get people to work. Aside from professional situations, Canada has banned handguns and almost every other firearm except hunting rifles. We're not Americans. We have had gun control since basically the foundation of the nation. 

Consequentially, deaths attributed to firearms is exceedingly low. A very good thing.

Why do you need a handgun? 

 

Canada's deaths due to firearms are not attributable to gun control. Gun control does not work, and restricting handguns isn't saving any lives. Americans invented gun control, Canada trying to separate itself from America, by adopting something they invented, is laughable.

Banning handguns because they get used in mass shootings is as dumb as banning Honda Civics if people start using them to run over crowds of people.

The problem is not the inanimate object, so stop pretending that when an inanimate object is something you don't feel you personally want or need, that means it should be banned for all the people who do have such a want or need. Banning an object simply because you are too ignorant to see it's utility is a dumb idea.

You aren't saving any lives by doing so, you are simply infringing on others to make yourself feel safe, even if you are actually no safer or are actually less safe.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

34 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Canada's deaths due to firearms are not attributable to gun control. Gun control does not work, and restricting handguns isn't saving any lives. Americans invented gun control, Canada trying to separate itself from America, by adopting something they invented, is laughable.

Banning handguns because they get used in mass shootings is as dumb as banning Honda Civics if people start using them to run over crowds of people.

The problem is not the inanimate object, so stop pretending that when an inanimate object is something you don't feel you personally want or need, that means it should be banned for all the people who do have such a want or need. Banning an object simply because you are too ignorant to see it's utility is a dumb idea.

You aren't saving any lives by doing so, you are simply infringing on others to make yourself feel safe, even if you are actually no safer or are actually less safe.

Also note the totalitarian collectivist impulse to demand that you must have a "need" for something to possess it, and those needs will be dictated to you by a cabal of left wing extremist elites in downtown Toronto who feel like they can confiscate property like Bolsheviks set upon the Kulaks.

This Potemkin Village is ripe for counterrevolutionary overthrow methinks, though these elites will probably be the last ones to know it is happening.

No doubt they will cling to their ivory towers weeping, when we come to tear them down, no mercy nor quarter, for the enemies of freedom, America will free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying, so help us God.

Down with the totalitarian speech banning, gun grabbing, freedom hating racist apartheid nanny police state and associated state propaganda arms, God bless America, God save the Queen.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

....Where we can draw a clear distinction between Canada and the US on public safety is on the level of gun control and the number of guns.  Canada is a much safer society, at least to some significant degree because of our stricter gun control.  Again, however, we are impacted by US policy because guns are coming across the border and our gun control is still allowing for handguns and assault rifles to be purchased in Canada. 

 

Blaming the U.S. for failings in Canada won't work this time.    Toronto now has a higher crime rate than New York City, and many illegal guns in Canada stem from stolen firearms, not cross border smuggling.

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Domitian said:

Have you ever been in the military? 

 

Nope. I never had the inclination to want to join the military and put on a uniform and go off to some war where I may get seriously injured or killed. I am not going to die for the elite that run this country. As Henry Kissinger once said about the the people who join the military: "Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy". This is why I believe that anyone who wants to join the military they will be thought of as dumb, stupid animals by people like Kissinger. A shocking thing to say for a politician like Kissinger. But this just shows you as to what some politicians think of people who join the military. 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Blaming the U.S. for failings in Canada won't work this time.    Toronto now has a higher crime rate than New York City, and many illegal guns in Canada stem from stolen firearms, not cross border smuggling.

Great so if we ban handguns and assault rifles there will be less of them to steal.  

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Also note the totalitarian collectivist impulse to demand that you must have a "need" for something to possess it, and those needs will be dictated to you by a cabal of left wing extremist elites in downtown Toronto who feel like they can confiscate property like Bolsheviks set upon the Kulaks.

This Potemkin Village is ripe for counterrevolutionary overthrow methinks, though these elites will probably be the last ones to know it is happening.

No doubt they will cling to their ivory towers weeping, when we come to tear them down, no mercy nor quarter, for the enemies of freedom, America will free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying, so help us God.

Down with the totalitarian speech banning, gun grabbing, freedom hating racist apartheid nanny police state and associated state propaganda arms, God bless America, God save the Queen.

The Toronto elitists have taken their directive from Soros to grab your guns and throw you into FEMA camps.  On behalf of the One World Globalists...

I hope people realize I’m kidding.  Sadly I have to say that.  

Edited August 15, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Toronto elitists have taken their directive from Soros to grab your guns and throw you into FEMA camps.  On behalf of the One World Globalists...

I hope people realize I’m kidding.  Sadly I have to say that.  

The Toronto elitists have their own brand of Globalism, they're not taking directives from Soros, they've got their own elitist Icons in the 6ix, Margaret Atwood, David Suzuki, Naomi Klein etcetera.

Not that I have anything against Ms Atwood, I actually know her, a lovely woman, though of course misguided by her fear of America as all Victorian Canadians are.

[Zeitgeist]

55 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Toronto elitists have their own brand of Globalism, they're not taking directives from Soros, they've got their own elitist Icons in the 6ix, Margaret Atwood, David Suzuki, Naomi Klein etcetera.

Not that I have anything against Ms Atwood, I actually know her, a lovely woman, though of course misguided by her fear of America as all Victorian Canadians are.

Yet the Yanks like Handmaid’s Tale.  Have to agree with you on Naiomi Klein.  She and her hubby are just a bit too extra on the shrill campus protests.  Somebody get them a safe space.