The road to 2020

[BeaverFever]

40 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nonsense....there were riots and property damage in Montreal with arrests...hardly peaceful.   Businesses in Toronto were boarded up as well.

Trump is just another U.S. president...get over it.

Pennies on the dollar compared to the US. Don’t try to equivocate. 
 

Trump is just another U.S. Ex-president...get over it. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Pennies on the dollar compared to the US. Don’t try to equivocate. 
 

Trump is just another U.S. Ex-president...get over it. 

 

Don't pretend that BLM and other groups did not expand in Canada with your current "leader".   Hell, at one point east-west rail transportation was shut down....that didn't happen in the U.S.

All U.S. presidents become ex-presidents.    Trump is no different.

 

[Cannucklehead]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Don't pretend that BLM and other groups did not expand in Canada with your current "leader".   Hell, at one point east-west rail transportation was shut down....that didn't happen in the U.S.

All U.S. presidents become ex-presidents.    Trump is no different.

 

The shut down happened long before George Floyd and was not because of blm.  But I guess to you all minorities are alike.  

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Don't pretend that BLM and other groups did not expand in Canada with your current "leader".   Hell, at one point east-west rail transportation was shut down....that didn't happen in the U.S.

All U.S. presidents become ex-presidents.    Trump is no different.

 

The fact that protests blew up out of control under Trump but were ultimately brief and insignificant here even with  brief rail blockades is proof enough of who was on the right side of history. 
 

One-term ex-presidents (like Trump) are failures.   That’s a fact. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Cannucklehead said:

The shut down happened long before George Floyd and was not because of blm.  But I guess to you all minorities are alike.  

 

That's the point...Canada has disruptive protests and shutdowns with your current prime minister and government...wasn't Trump's doing at all.

The word "minority", especially "visible minority" is very popular with the racists in Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The fact that protests blew up out of control under Trump but were ultimately brief and insignificant here even with  brief rail blockades is proof enough of who was on the right side of history.

 

Wrong again...Canada's economy took a hit from the rail shutdowns that had an impact before COVID.    BLM protests started under Obama, not Trump.

 

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One-term ex-presidents (like Trump) are failures.   That’s a fact. 

 

More nonsense....several one-term presidents were quite successful...like George H.W. Bush...who is now held in high regard.

Edited November 14, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Wrong again...Canada's economy took a hit from the rail shutdowns that had an impact before COVID.    BLM protests started under Obama, not Trump.

It’s a brief and minor footnote to the economy. And only under Trump did the BLM protests get mismanaged and blown up into a national shitshow. Trump couldn’t handle them but under Obama they came and went 

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

More nonsense....several one-term presidents were quite successful...like George H.W. Bush...who is now held in high regard.

He tried but failed failed to get re-elected because he was rejected by the voters. Period  He’s only held in high regard relative to the disastrous Republicans that followed him: the reign of his son that plunged the US into 2 never-ending wars and total economic collapse of America, and the dumpster fire of the one-term Trump presidency

 

[Argus]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The fact that protests blew up out of control under Trump but were ultimately brief and insignificant here even with  brief rail blockades is proof enough of who was on the right side of history.

Protests which become violent and run on and on and on are a failure of local and state government, or in Canada, local and provincial. The only ones which do so involve minorities of one sort or another, and they continue on because of the raw cowardice of liberal politicians terrified of being seen as 'racist' if they confront them. The ongoing ridiculous BLM protests, all over nothing but the media driven presumption that racism is involved in some police shootings of local pond scum,  have paralyzed numerous major Democratic cities. Meanwhile, half a dozen natives can blockade any major rail or road artery in Canada for hours, if not days, while local politicians cower and shake and wring their hands and police do nothing. It's all completely disgusting and all these people should be bitch-slapped out  of office.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s a brief and minor footnote to the economy. And only under Trump did the BLM protests get mismanaged and blown up into a national shitshow. Trump couldn’t handle them but under Obama they came and went

 

Nope....BLM was founded under Obama and grew larger during his tenure.  BLM most certainly did not go away, and now Canada has BLM protests and violence as well.

 

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He tried but failed failed to get re-elected because he was rejected by the voters. Period 

 

He was no more rejected by the voters than Justin Trudeau was elected by the voters with three or more parties in the mix.   George H.W. Bush was still far more important to the world than was Canada's prime minister....and so is Donald Trump.

[-TSS-]

Do some people honestly believe that a court can declare that x number of votes will be disqualified and that means that Trump won the election?

Not going to happen but let's imagine such a thing happened. What do you think would happen next? The Democrats saying "well, we apparently lost, congratulations to President Trump".

A civil war more likely.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Do some people honestly believe that a court can declare that x number of votes will be disqualified and that means that Trump won the election?

Not going to happen but let's imagine such a thing happened. What do you think would happen next? The Democrats saying "well, we apparently lost, congratulations to President Trump".

A civil war more likely.

What if the courts declare that x number of votes will not be disqualified and that means that Biden won the election?

Still a civil war?  It's certainly possible. 

If there's going to be bloodshed regardless, they might as well get the election result right.

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Argus said:

Protests which become violent and run on and on and on are a failure of local and state government, or in Canada, local and provincial. The only ones which do so involve minorities of one sort or another, and they continue on because of the raw cowardice of liberal politicians terrified of being seen as 'racist' if they confront them. The ongoing ridiculous BLM protests, all over nothing but the media driven presumption that racism is involved in some police shootings of local pond scum,  have paralyzed numerous major Democratic cities. Meanwhile, half a dozen natives can blockade any major rail or road artery in Canada for hours, if not days, while local politicians cower and shake and wring their hands and police do nothing. It's all completely disgusting and all these people should be bitch-slapped out  of office.

I don’t know that’s true. The recent protests in Canada were relatively peaceful and short lived despite governments taking a light touch. Compare that with the government’s heavy-handed response to the initially peaceful Oka blockade which then spiralled out of control to fill blown Crisis and armed standoff. 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nope....BLM was founded under Obama and grew larger during his tenure.  BLM most certainly did not go away, and now Canada has BLM protests and violence as well.

 

I didn’t say the organization went away but their mass protests did

[Argus]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t know that’s true. The recent protests in Canada were relatively peaceful and short lived despite governments taking a light touch. Compare that with the government’s heavy-handed response to the initially peaceful Oka blockade which then spiralled out of control to fill blown Crisis and armed standoff. 

The BLM protests were relatively short lived because we don't have much for them to protest. They were reduced to ridiculous protests over things like a black girl falling out a window. But the native protest went on and on - over the development of land in BC which the BC tribal council had agreed to! And they're still gong on in Ontario, again, blocking highways and threatening violence over development of a parcel of land the native council had agreed to and taken money for.

And the police sit on their hands while Doug Ford hides under his desk crying in terror every time someone knocks on the door. The fat, spineless weakling.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

He was no more rejected by the voters than Justin Trudeau was elected by the voters with three or more parties in the mix.   George H.W. Bush was still far more important to the world than was Canada's prime minister....and so is Donald Trump.

He was rejected by the voters, the majority chose to to mote give him a second term and many on the right decided they would rather vote for someone else rather than give him a second term.
 

I don’t why you keep repeating this “America is more important to the world than Canada” schtick, youre not getting a lot of mileage out of it. Nobody cares. It’s just not a relevant point to make.  Nazi Germany, China and Russia are or were “more important to the world” than Canada too, doesn’t make them better countries. 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

He was rejected by the voters, the majority chose to to mote give him a second term and many on the right decided they would rather vote for someone else rather than give him a second term.

 

No candidate got a majority of votes cast, and more eligible voters did not choose the 1992 winner, who was eventually impeached, same as Trump.

 

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I don’t why you keep repeating this “America is more important to the world than Canada” schtick, youre not getting a lot of mileage out of it. Nobody cares. It’s just not a relevant point to make.  Nazi Germany, China and Russia are or were “more important to the world” than Canada too, doesn’t make them better countries. 

 

It is a wonderful stchick that always works, because you pay so much more attention to America and American politics.   Donald Trump matters more...even Canadians know that.   

[Cannucklehead]

11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No candidate got a majority of votes cast, and more eligible voters did not choose the 1992 winner, who was eventually impeached, same as Trump.

 

 

It is a wonderful stchick that always works, because you pay so much more attention to America and American politics.   Getting rid of Donald Trump matters more...even Canadians know that.   

Ftfy 

[BeaverFever]

48 minutes ago, Argus said:

The BLM protests were relatively short lived because we don't have much for them to protest. They were reduced to ridiculous protests over things like a black girl falling out a window. But the native protest went on and on - over the development of land in BC which the BC tribal council had agreed to! And they're still gong on in Ontario, again, blocking highways and threatening violence over development of a parcel of land the native council had agreed to and taken money for.

And the police sit on their hands while Doug Ford hides under his desk crying in terror every time someone knocks on the door. The fat, spineless weakling.

And your life has been ruined forever as a result?  There’s no point getting triggered over stuff like this that doesn’t really affect you.
 

 I don’t necessarily agree with all their tactics nor do I need to delve more into the details of every specific event that triggers a protest but protests are a symptom of a system that’s lost the trust of the people involved, and in the case of FN and many minority groups, never earned their trust to begin with. 

[-TSS-]

I hoped for Trump's re-election but he lost. So be it. Life goes on.

This clutching at straws hoping to change the outcome of the election is very embarrassing to say the  least.

The butthurt about Trump's victory four years ago never really eased. Are we going to listen to this election fraud-bollocks next four years?

[Argus]

39 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

And your life has been ruined forever as a result?  There’s no point getting triggered over stuff like this that doesn’t really affect you.

Conservatives believe in law and order.

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 I don’t necessarily agree with all their tactics nor do I need to delve more into the details of every specific event that triggers a protest but protests are a symptom of a system that’s lost the trust of the people involved, and in the case of FN and many minority groups, never earned their trust to begin with. 

Reasonable protests for reasonable causes where the government is being unreasonable. That's not what these were. These were protests where private companies had done exactly what FN have been calling for; negotiating with the first nations involved and coming to an agreement. Now suddenly that's out the window. Suddenly the first nations governments don't matter. Now they have to get buy-in from every single member of a reserve. And who knows, maybe that won't be enough either.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Conservatives believe in law and order.

 

I hope you can sympathize...that evil man triggered those peaceful protesters.

 

[DogOnPorch]

YouTube, btw, has been deleting that video as fast as it appears...wouldn't want to give the wrong impression.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No candidate got a majority of votes cast, and more eligible voters did not choose the 1992 winner, who was eventually impeached, same as Trump.

 

So?  That’s not what we’re talking about. 

 

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It is a wonderful stchick that always works, because you pay so much more attention to America and American politics.   Donald Trump matters more...even Canadians know that.   

Doesn’t work with me, I don’t care in the slightest. Yeah a monkey with a live hand grenade “matters more” than other people in the room too but ultimately it’s an irrelevant point.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

So?  That’s not what we’re talking about.

 

Yes we are, regardless of what you think.   This was another U.S. presidential election with all the trimmings, and that goes for Trump too.   Nothing you can do about it.

 

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Doesn’t work with me, I don’t care in the slightest. Yeah a monkey with a live hand grenade “matters more” than other people in the room too but ultimately it’s an irrelevant point.

 

Matters a lot to Canada, which closely watches U.S. presidents and policies.   Same will be true for Biden...the whining north of the border has already started.

[BeaverFever]

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

Conservatives believe in law and order.

Protests are occur when people feel that the law and order has failed them. 

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

Reasonable protests for reasonable causes where the government is being unreasonable.

Who gets to decide which causes are reasonable and when the government is being unreasonable?  Clearly it can’t be the government itself.