The Green Rise in Canada

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Not at all, and what would really get my attention is if what that scientist says suddenly causes the vast VAST majority of scientists who've been adamant for decades that action is needed...decades ago...to suddenly give pause to consider.

If the predictions of the Climate Scientists! are correct, then the climate itself is not going to kill you, the onset of the effects will incite major wars which will inevitably escalate to thermonuclear, and that's what is going to kill you.   Or your children.  Depending on how old you are.

So I wouldn't bother worrying about it.   Nothing is going to come of the impotent virtue signalling Environmentalist movement, it already failed a  long time ago.

Only dingbat fuckwit libtards would be so naive to think that there is a centrally planned techno-utopian solution coming, they're naive like little children.

If the predictions are correct, everybody is doomed and nothing will stop it, so just get on with life like the rest of us already and stop being babies about it.

 

Edited May 12, 2019 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

If the predictions of the Climate Scientists! are correct, ...

Your post shows that you mix up scientific and social predictions.  You should be more careful with your thinking.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

  You should be more careful with your thinking.

Why?  What are you afraid of?

[jacee]

On 5/11/2019 at 3:06 AM, Zeitgeist said:

I tentatively support the Greens as a viable choice only if their platform is data driven and scientifically sound.  If they’re NDP tax and spenders and equity pushers in disguise, no way.  

What does "equity pushers" mean, and what is your problem with it? 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

What does "equity pushers" mean, and what is your problem with it? 

It’s Jacobin/McCarthyism/Salem Witch Trial/Spanish Inquisition/Stalininist dictatorship by the radical ideologues.  The mainstream centre is berated into submission by extremists on both the left and the right.  

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi7vqrLu5biAhUJU98KHdrTBe0QzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fjordan-peterson-when-the-left-goes-too-far-the-dangerous-doctrine-of-equity&psig=AOvVaw2EX65fGrHajcLAmIyrKf3b&ust=1557766775010206

Edited May 12, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[jacee]

11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

dingbat fuckwit libtards

Oh, that's mature thinking!

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, jacee said:

Oh, that's mature thinking!

Maturity is overrated.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Why?  What are you afraid of?

I'm not afraid... and... I guess you're not afraid of thinking clearly either...

[jacee]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s Jacobin/McCarthyism/Salem Witch Trial/Spanish Inquisition/Stalininist dictatorship by the radical ideologues.  The mainstream centre is berated into submission by extremists on both the left and the right.  

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi7vqrLu5biAhUJU98KHdrTBe0QzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fjordan-peterson-when-the-left-goes-too-far-the-dangerous-doctrine-of-equity&psig=AOvVaw2EX65fGrHajcLAmIyrKf3b&ust=1557766775010206

I didn't ask what Jordan Peterson thinks "equity" is. 

Can you show me (link) where there is  Jacobin/McCarthyism/Salem Witch Trial/Spanish Inquisition/Stalininist   'equity' law or government policy that you're complaining about? 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm not afraid... and... I guess you're not afraid of thinking clearly either...

I guess you can't make a cogent point, hence why your fallacious prattling.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I guess you can't make a cogent point, hence why your fallacious prattling.

"Your post shows that you mix up scientific and social predictions." I will post it twice for you because you may have missed it.

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

"Your post shows that you mix up scientific and social predictions." I will post it twice for you because you may have missed it.

Your pseudo intellectual prattling about my posts do not constitute an argument,  your repeating that fallacy over and over is not cogent neither.

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The mainstream centre is berated into submission by extremists on both the left and the right.  

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwi7vqrLu5biAhUJU98KHdrTBe0QzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fjordan-peterson-when-the-left-goes-too-far-the-dangerous-doctrine-of-equity&psig=AOvVaw2EX65fGrHajcLAmIyrKf3b&ust=1557766775010206 

So your notion is that both the left and right are at fault but then suggest Jordan Peterson is some sort of mainstream authority on the problem.  That's so beyond tone-deaf its not funny.

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It’s Jacobin/McCarthyism/Salem Witch Trial/Spanish Inquisition/Stalininist dictatorship by the radical ideologues.

 

Perhaps if you'd used a similarly silly collection of right-wing symbols to qualify and characterize the right and included Naomi Cline in the mainstream alongside Peterson you would have appeared to be more even-handed and rational - maybe. 

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Your pseudo intellectual prattling about my posts do not constitute an argument,  your repeating that fallacy over and over is not cogent neither.

What are you talking about ? " If the predictions of the Climate Scientists! are correct, then the climate itself is not going to kill you, the onset of the effects will incite major wars"

You made that statement... what Climate Scientists are publishing papers about 'wars' ?  I suspect you're mixing everything up, that's all.  You don't have to be an intellectual to understand what I said.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

So your notion is that both the left and right are at fault but then suggest Jordan Peterson is some sort of mainstream authority on the problem.  That's so beyond tone-deaf its not funny.

Perhaps if you'd used a similarly silly collection of right-wing symbols to qualify and characterize the right and included Naomi Cline in the mainstream alongside Peterson you would have appeared to be more even-handed and rational - maybe. 

Ha , I had Naomi Klein in my classes.  Yup, she’s at the extreme as well, like her father in law.  Good journalist though.  Niall Ferguson thinks her notion of a “shock doctrine” is a bit out there and I agree.  Peterson is bang on.  When the left gets ridiculous, the Trumps of the world seem sensible.  The latest incarnation is AOC.  I personally wouldn’t mind watching the Republicans shit their pants with socialism in place in the US.  Can’t be worse than the excesses of the Neocons and now the alt-right.  

Edited May 13, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I personally wouldn’t mind watching the Republicans shit their pants with socialism in place in the US.  Can’t be worse than the excesses of the Neocons and now the alt-right.  

It can get worse, much worse.

[August1991]

On 5/10/2019 at 9:16 PM, August1991 said:

....

The Left typically argues that we should be "solidaire", stick together. We should unite. Work together.... 

And yet, the Left invariably argues among themselves and never agrees.

.....

Point made.

[August1991]

On 5/12/2019 at 12:21 AM, Dougie93 said:

The Greens in Canada are just disaffected Liberals.

...

In part, maybe.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Point made.

Not in light of the Unite the Right movement, not even close.

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Not in light of the Unite the Right movement, not even close.

If the right isn't united, they can't win, and even when they are, they usually lose. The left doesn't need to be that united to win, but when they aren't, it opens the door for the right to win.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[August1991]

On 5/10/2019 at 10:09 PM, eyeball said:

And the right gathers under One Big Tent.

This is why they call it tribalism.

Right?

IMV: There is no "Right", any more than a "Left".

But there is a State, and a government under this State.

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And people on the "Left" seem to want to change the State; people on the "Right" simply want to change the government.

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

IMV: There is no "Right", any more than a "Left".

facepalm/

[egghead]

On 5/11/2019 at 9:21 PM, Dougie93 said:

The Greens in Canada are just disaffected Liberals.

They're not the NDP because the Greens are not beholden to labour.

They're just Liberal elitists, who don't want to be associated with the Liberal brand anymore.

NDP just went green yesterday. Now, eveyone at the left side is undercutting each other.

[August1991]

On 5/15/2019 at 9:36 AM, eyeball said:

facepalm/

Some people want to change "the system".

As a conservative, I merely want to change the government.

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But to return to my OP,  leftists always want to fix the world in one, good way - and yet they invariably disagree and argue among themselves. 

Edited May 17, 2019 by August1991

[eyeball]

On 5/16/2019 at 10:56 PM, August1991 said:

But to return to my OP,  leftists always want to fix the world in one, good way - and yet they invariably disagree and argue among themselves. 

Why are Unite the Right movements so common again?