Alberta and Canada Election 2019

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's reading posts in here and comments elsewhere that mostly reinforces the perception.

It's clearly the fault of their supporters, they're the one's who've made it most clear they'll only brook so much tolerance for reducing racial tensions.

Most of those on the right posting here are a vocal fringe minority, not the silent majority. Your perception is faulty, based on projecting their views on the right in general.

This place is not a bellwether for what most people on the right believe, bet that.

Edited May 14, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Most of those on the right posting here are a vocal fringe minority, not the silent majority. Your perception is faulty, based on projecting their views on the right in general.

This place is not a bellwether for what most people on the right believe, bet that.

Never mind that draconian government intervention doesn't reduce racial tensions but rather inflames them.

The SJW's are inciting their own nemeses, far left extremism incites its own backlash.

Threatening to jail people for thought crime is a casus belli which will inevitably incite civil war of one kind or another.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

This place is not a bellwether for what most people on the right believe, bet that.

The right-wingers in here are definitely typical and representative of the sort of common sense you'll find in any big right-wing tent.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The right-wingers in here are definitely typical and representative of the sort of common sense you'll find in any big right-wing tent.

Who are the left wingers here? Seems like a bunch of typically Canadian Trump deranged losers, but not particularly leftist per se.

 

[Dougie93]

Anybody who genuinely cares about advancing a leftist agenda are fools to make common cause with these Intersectionality racialization obsessed lunatics anyways.

They're virtue signalling the leftist agenda into oblivion, the end game here is the total annihilation of the socialist left, it's simply empowering the fascists.

These buffoonish Cultural Marxists are driving the working classes right into the arms of the far right.

Edited May 14, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

49 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The right-wingers in here are definitely typical and representative of the sort of common sense you'll find in any big right-wing tent.

Incorrect. The are neither typical or representative, stop confusing the internet with real life.

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Incorrect. The are neither typical or representative, stop confusing the internet with real life.

I don't even find Canadians who scapegoat minorities to be on the right.

Right being towards the Crown.

The British Crown having never been ethnonationalist.

The British Empire was like Rome, it incorporated minorities and made them British.

The Royal Family themselves are Germans.

The Duchess of Sussex is a black American.

Scapegoating minorities in contravention of the Queen's Peace is inherently republican, and thus of the left by any British measure.

What is more British than West Indian or East Indian?  Entirely British constructs.

It's like when the CF incorporated the Sikh turban into the dress regulations and the Legion started freaking out.

"How dare they let these foreigners wear hats in the mess?!"

When Canada and India in fact joined the British Empire on the same day in 1763.

There were 200,000 Indians in the British Army long before Canada even had an army.

Canadians and Sikhs fought in the same army in both World Wars,  the 1st Canadian Army was in the British Army.

Sikh's had been wearing hats in the mess, for hundreds of years, as per usual, Canadians just don't know their own history.

The irony of these people asserting that these "foreigners" are diluting the "Britishness" of Canada.

The vast, vast majority of the British, were Indians, Africans and Chinese.  And they made up the bulk of the British Army too.

I'm not telling them what to think, none the less, it is factually incorrect to assert that keeping Canada lily white is somehow "British"

Just another example of failed state Confederation; keep the Americans out. 

Didn't happen, Canadians are Americans by nature, they think like Americans not Britons.

One set of kooks wants a People's Republic, the other set of kooks wants an Enthnonationalist Republic, and all of that is well on the left in a monarchy.

There is no Canada, there is simply an adjunct American protectorate, de facto banana republic.

Edited May 14, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't even find Canadians who scapegoat minorities to be on the right.

Right being towards the Crown.

The British Crown having never been ethnonationalist.

The British Empire was like Rome, it incorporated minorities and made them British.

The Royal Family themselves are Germans.

The Duchess of Sussex is a black American.

Scapegoating minorities in contravention of the Queen's Peace is inherently republican, and thus of the left by any British measure.

What is more British than West Indian or East Indian?  Entirely British constructs.

It's like when the CF incorporated the Sikh turban into the dress regulations and the Legion started freaking out.

"How dare they let these foreigners wear hats in the mess?!"

When Canada and India in fact joined the British Empire on the same day in 1763.

There were 200,000 Indians in the British Army long before Canada even had an army.

Canadians and Sikhs fought in the same army in both World Wars,  the 1st Canadian Army was in the British Army.

Sikh's had been wearing hats in the mess, for hundreds of years, as per usual, Canadians just don't know their own history.

The irony of these people asserting that these "foreigners" are diluting the "Britishness" of Canada.

The vast, vast majority of the British, were Indians, Africans and Chinese.  And they made up the bulk of the British Army too.

I'm not telling them what to think, none the less, it is factually incorrect to assert that keeping Canada lily white is somehow "British"

Just another example of failed state Confederation; keep the Americans out. 

Didn't happen, Canadians are Americans by nature, they think like Americans not Britons.

One set of kooks wants a People's Republic, the other set of kooks wants an Enthnonationalist Republic, and all of that is well on the left in a monarchy.

There is no Canada, there is simply an adjunct American protectorate, de facto banana republic.

The vast majority of Canadians disagree.  Repeating the same assertions doesn’t change that.  We don’t have to look at the rest of the world very long to appreciate Canada.  

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The vast majority of Canadians disagree.  Repeating the same assertions doesn’t change that.  We don’t have to look at the rest of the world very long to appreciate Canada.  

Because you are motivated by the fear and loathing and insecurity inherent to Canadian Confederation.

All your assertions do not justify Canada's pathology, you are entirely motivated by fear of the American Menace and anything else that comes at you, because you are insecure.

Thus why you feel the need to run out and decry the Americans as a proxy for actual argument in favour of Confederation.

Unlike you, I don't fear the Americans, unlike the anti-Immigration panic monkeys, I don't fear the immigrants neither.

The vast majority of Canadians are wrong about everything, because Canada is nothing but a life support system for fear and loathing and insecurity.

I don't really worry about what the vast majority of Canadians think anyways, because Canadians are helpless in the face of the Americans, all that matters is what the Americans think.

[Dougie93]

You can panic about it all you like,  Zeitgeist, but me and the Americans and the immigrants, are going to bring your "cultural protectorate" down, it's already in progress, and not only is there nothing you can do to stop us, but your fear and loathing and insecurity is the lever we are using to do it.

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

You can panic about it all you like,  Zeitgeist, but me and the Americans and the immigrants, are going to bring your "cultural protectorate" down, it's already in progress, and not only is there nothing you can do to stop us, but your fear and loathing and insecurity is the lever we are using to do it.

And we quick to say, it's just the game that's dealt, that gave you that rope, so you can hang yourself.

 

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

You can panic about it all you like,  Zeitgeist, but me and the Americans and the immigrants, are going to bring your "cultural protectorate" down, it's already in progress, and not only is there nothing you can do to stop us, but your fear and loathing and insecurity is the lever we are using to do it.

I don’t see inordinate insecurity in Canada. I do see more fear and anti-immigration sentiment in the US.  Your “with us or against us” mentality assumes that we agree on how you define things and see the same value in the positions you support.  If you want to persuade, provide powerful arguments substantiated by evidence.  People have many different views, some traditionally considered right or left, about different issues, and it isn’t always a matter of right or wrong, but preferences. 

I value multiculturalism and what we have going on in Canada, including many of what you would call “nanny” policies.  It’s taken a lot of advocacy from workers and people from low socioeconomic strata to win programs such as universal healthcare, unemployment insurance, or minimum wages.  Yet business opportunities abound here and both rich and poor live well here relative to most countries. Read Conrad Black’s Canadian Manifesto. The US is great and all, but we have our own approaches here and have created something special.  No one is keeping you here.   Love Canada or leave it.  

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t see inordinate insecurity in Canada. I do see more fear and anti-immigration sentiment in the US.  Your “with us or against us” mentality assumes that we agree on how you define things and see the same value in the positions you support.  If you want to persuade, provide powerful arguments substantiated by evidence.  People have many different views, some traditionally considered right or left, about different issues, and it isn’t always a matter of right or wrong, but preferences. 

I value multiculturalism and what we have going on in Canada, including many of what you would call “nanny” policies.  It’s taken a lot of advocacy from workers and people from low socioeconomic strata to win programs such as universal healthcare, unemployment insurance, or minimum wages.  Yet business opportunities abound here and both rich and poor live well here relative to most countries. Read Conrad Black’s Canadian Manifesto. The US is great and all, but we have our own approaches here and have created something special.  No one is keeping you here.   Love Canada or leave it.  

I don't need to persuade you to bring Confederation down, I just have to flip a couple ridings in Quebec when the referendum comes around again.

Canada will leave you, fool, there is no unified Canada, Deux Solitudes

It will all be decided in rural Quebec, you will have no say in the matter.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't need to persuade you to bring Confederation down, I just have to flip a couple ridings in Quebec when the referendum comes around again.

Canada will leave you, fool, there is no unified Canada, Deux Solitudes

That’s so quarter century ago.  National unity is strong except on the matter of oil sands development versus environmentalism.  That could change with the right political manoeuvres.  We still aren’t as politically polarized as the Yanks.  We had no civil war either.  These tensions ebb and flow.  I’d be surprised to see secession, as the younger generation in Quebec is more multicultural and less separatist.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s so quarter century ago.  National unity is strong except on the matter of oil sands development versus environmentalism.  That could change with the right political manoeuvres.  We still aren’t as politically polarized as the Yanks.  We had no civil war either.  These tensions ebb and flow.  I’d be surprised to see secession, as the younger generation in Quebec is more multicultural and less separatist.  

Oh it's coming around again, Quantitative Easing is not going to last forever, there's a reckoning coming for debt ridden Canada, and it ain't that far off.

The Pequistes haven't gone away,  CAQ is just the Pequistes under new branding.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s so quarter century ago.  National unity is strong except on the matter of oil sands development versus environmentalism.  That could change with the right political manoeuvres.  We still aren’t as politically polarized as the Yanks.  We had no civil war either.  These tensions ebb and flow.  I’d be surprised to see secession, as the younger generation in Quebec is more multicultural and less separatist.  

 

Both nations influenced each other...one became a global superpower...the other one didn't.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Both nations influenced each other...one became a global superpower...the other one didn't.  

Actually Canada already had its time as the superpower, as Canada was Britain.  

It was in 1865 when the transfer of power commenced and Britain abandoned Canada in the face of it.

Basically got kicked out of the British Empire, because no way Britain was coming to fight the Army of the Potomac.

[Dougie93]

The transfer of power was completed in 1916 when the British launched the Battle of the Somme.

Which was supposed to win the war in an afternoon in the wake of the largest artillery bombardment in history.

Which failed miserably.   At which point,  Britain had to come cap in hand to Wall Street, and America has owned Canada ever since.

[Dougie93]

Canada has never been a country, Canada has always been a colony and it still is a colony.

It was simply handed from France to Britain in 1763, then from Britain to America in 1916, and now the Liberals want to hand it to China.

Edited May 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[Realitycheck]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada has never been a country, Canada has always been a colony and it still is a colony.

It was simply handed from France to Britain in 1763, then from Britain to America in 1916, and now the Liberals want to hand it to China.

 Paranoia.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

 Paranoia.

Facial Recognition Software and Social Credit Scoring provided by your new imperial masters at Huawei.

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada has never been a country, Canada has always been a colony and it still is a colony.

It was simply handed from France to Britain in 1763, then from Britain to America in 1916, and now the Liberals want to hand it to China.

Who handed it off?  The Brits defeated the French in North America before the American Revolution.  They merely consolidated their power at Halifax and Kingston, which were never attacked by the Americans.  In fact, forts in the US like Fort Niagara remained under British control after the War of 1812 and were handed over to the Yanks by treaty.  

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Who handed it off?  The Brits defeated the French in North America before the American Revolution.  They merely consolidated their power at Halifax and Kingston, which were never attacked by the Americans.  In fact, forts in the US like Fort Niagara remained under British control after the War of 1812 and were handed over to the Yanks by treaty.  

The British Empire went broke in 1916, Wall Street bought it lock stock and barrel.  

That's why the Americans had to come save it from the Germans, to protect their investment.

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The British Empire went broke in 1916, Wall Street bought it lock stock and barrel.  

That's why the Americans had to come save it from the Germans, to protect their investment.

It’s a numbers game: The US population and the size of its economy took over.  They had the industrial and financial means to control currency flows and make war on an unprecedented scale, though not really until WW2 was this power expressed internationally.  

Edited May 15, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

It’s a numbers game: The US population and the size of its economy took over.  They had the industrial and financial means to control currency flows and make war on an unprecedented scale, though not really until WW2 was this power expressed internationally.  

Britain had the largest economy of the world in 1913, largest population in the world too, 412 million, 23% of the worlds population at the time, with 24% of the territory.

The First World War brought the British down, it wasn't the Americans who did it to them, they did it to themselves, on the directive of Churchill, in the name of Belgian Neutrality.