Brexit from the European Union.

[Iceni warrior]

16 hours ago, Rue said:

Dougie=curmudgeon realist + Iceni=pragmatic idealist = approve both on their exchange mostly Iceni but I do fear an economic recession coming up in Canada and UK and France for that matter. The signs are there.

Pragmatic idealist is oxymoronic.

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

Pragmatic idealist is oxymoronic.

Precisely is why I said it. I was trying to make that point. Hang in. You will catch on. Its sort of like saying the totality of everything that was, is or can or will be is also the totality of nothing and its one and the same. Takes a while to kick in. Up is as much down as it is up. Really. You just have to meditate a  bit on it. So for example, you can pull out of a European union, but then you have to go insert yourself in some other union. The idea of being an economy without some kind of trade alliance with other nations is oxymoronic. Economics and trade is about intercourse. No intercourse, no economic activity and everyone needs market exchange or orgasms sooner or later. Playing with yourself is boring both economically and otherwise. There is a limit to what it can do for you. That said Boris looks like an expert whanker.

Edited December 7, 2019 by Rue

[-TSS-]

According to the exit-poll the Tories going to get 368 seats (out of 650), Labour 191. Therefore it looks like a very handsome victory for the Tories. Another thing is that how much worth do you put on an exit-poll but it has been relatively accurate over the years.

[kactus]

Call me cynic but I think this whole thing about the unpopularity of the labour leader seems to have played well for Tories. People are tired of status quo and want to get Brexit done. 

[-TSS-]

Labour wins when they have a leader like Tony Blair who was a tory with a red tie. Instead of having a marxist in charge they need to find a Tony Blair 2.0

[Iceni warrior]

I'll be glad to see the back of Jeremy Corbyn. He's been the weakest opposition leader I can remember.

Labour is even losing ground in Wales, places that have been Labour since the war.

It's a clear message to move back to the centre, New Labour ('97-'10) was the only time in the last 40 years that we didn't have a Tory PM.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2019 by Iceni warrior
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[scribblet]

My understanding too, Corbyn was Marxist and anti Semitic, I can't imagine the damage he would have done had he got a majority.  He promised free internet, to redistribute the wealth (read taxes and more taxes) nationalize some companies and massively increase public spending.     

[-TSS-]

Labour can't win with socialism. They tried that with Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock and now twice with Jeremy Corbyn. Lost every time.

Labour wins when they have a conservative with a red tie in charge. Someone  like Tony Blair who more or less promised in 1997 not to change anything the Tories had done but he delivered a much-yearned change of power after 18 years of Tory-rule.

The Labour-party needs to find a Tony Blair 2.0

[taxme]

On 12/7/2019 at 7:04 AM, Rue said:

Precisely is why I said it. I was trying to make that point. Hang in. You will catch on. Its sort of like saying the totality of everything that was, is or can or will be is also the totality of nothing and its one and the same. Takes a while to kick in. Up is as much down as it is up. Really. You just have to meditate a  bit on it. So for example, you can pull out of a European union, but then you have to go insert yourself in some other union. The idea of being an economy without some kind of trade alliance with other nations is oxymoronic. Economics and trade is about intercourse. No intercourse, no economic activity and everyone needs market exchange or orgasms sooner or later. Playing with yourself is boring both economically and otherwise. There is a limit to what it can do for you. That said Boris looks like an expert whanker.

Why don't you try and get with the times. Last month, over 72,000 jobs were lost in Canada. Alberta is taking a chit kicking. Trudeau goes to the Canadian taxpayer's ATM bank machine every day, and takes out millions of our tax dollars so he can give it all away to refugees and the third world. You know, the people that you told me that you like to work with and help. The Canadian economy is going for one big chit thanks to your dear leader hero emperor Trudeau. This is what Canada is doing every day with itself. Playing with it's self, and playing with our tax dollars. The big whanker here is that bimbo whanker Trudeau. Boris and Trump are the real good conservative guys here. Read that and weep. 

I guess that Boris now being the PM of Britain can now expect from the Zio press here in Canada and Britain attacks on Boris every day, just like they keep doing with Trump every day, and hoping for Boris to commit some kind of an "impeachable" offence. Hey, they can't seem to get Trump on anything, but maybe that can now work on Boris. Those liberal/socialists/communists sure can give this conservative a mighty good laugh. They are such silly talking and silly looking people. Just saying. 

[taxme]

On 12/12/2019 at 2:06 PM, -TSS- said:

According to the exit-poll the Tories going to get 368 seats (out of 650), Labour 191. Therefore it looks like a very handsome victory for the Tories. Another thing is that how much worth do you put on an exit-poll but it has been relatively accurate over the years.

I still believe that Boris is going to have a problem trying to get Brexit passed. Those lefty labour communist losers will no doubt be like the lefty losers in America, they will be out demonstrating against Boris to try and stop the Brexit exit plan. Lefties hate to lose. I can see problems in Britain with those sore losers when they start to hit the streets. I just hope that Boris will be like Trump, and carry out the main plans of getting Britain out of the EU. The EU is nothing more then a communist style tyranny organization where the leaders are not elected by the people, but are appointed by their globalist masters. The British supporters for Brexit have been waiting for three years for their Brexit to happen. Stop pizzing around, and give it to the people who want to have their Brexit. The majority must prevail, but it would appear as though the minority have been able to stop Brexit from happening for years now.  Shocking. 

[-TSS-]

There has been a lot of protests in London tonight over the election-result. If anyone thinks that after this election the remoaners will finally give up and shut up that person is in for a disappointment. Those people will never give up.

Even if Brexit is delivered the focus then turns to rejoining and the new dividing line goes over rejoining and staying out.

[bush_cheney2004]

Typical...the election process is broken when the leftists get crushed...but fine if they win.

 

[Iceni warrior]

12 hours ago, -TSS- said:

There has been a lot of protests in London tonight over the election-result.

Are you talking about this...

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Two people were arrested as hundreds of protesters descended on Downing Street to "defy Tory rule" after Boris Johnson's election victory. 

A heavy police presence was seen close to the Cenotaph in Whitehall, which was cordoned off as clashes broke out on Friday evening.

Scotland Yard confirmed that two people were arrested, one on suspicion of assaulting a police officer and another for suspected affray.

Demonstrators carrying placards with the slogans No to Boris Johnson, No to Racism and Defy Tory Rule cried out ‘Oh Jeremy Corbyn’ and let off red smoke flares during angry protests.

They travelled down Whitehall before moving towards Millbank and Horseferry Road, shouting “the people, united, we will never be defeated”.

Police were overheard shouting “box them in” as they tried to contain the crowds with a cordon.

Protesters hammered on a bus trapped in the cordon and shouted “free the bus” and “this is our bus”, before chanting the children’s song The Wheels On The Bus.

They pounded the window of a number 11 double decker bus as it was forced to stop its journey towards Victoria.

A handful linked arms briefly to block the exit to the bus while shouting “whose bus, our bus”.

Visibly frustrated passengers on board were eventually allowed to leave, while protesters tried to board and remonstrated with police amid demands to “free the driver”.

Crowds later began to disperse as rain started but the cordons remained in place.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/protest-downing-street-boris-johnson-general-election-a4313391.html

...or did you read the Gateway Pundit version and get a completely distorted version of it?

[taxme]

11 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Are you talking about this...

...or did you read the Gateway Pundit version and get a completely distorted version of it?

The commie sore crybaby losers were at it again. They just can never accept defeat. And this is the bimbos that Britain would have got if the Labour party had of won? It is  because of those commie bimbos as to why Britain is in a liberal/socialist bloody mess that it finds itself in and as to why Brexit has not happened yet. But thank gawd that those bunch of bimbos lost the election. Things are great in America, and so shall they now be great in Britain especially when Brexit happens. Those bimbos are going to hate what is coming. Ha-ha-ha. Love it. 

[taxme]

On 12/13/2019 at 5:18 PM, -TSS- said:

There has been a lot of protests in London tonight over the election-result. If anyone thinks that after this election the remoaners will finally give up and shut up that person is in for a disappointment. Those people will never give up.

Even if Brexit is delivered the focus then turns to rejoining and the new dividing line goes over rejoining and staying out.

I knew that the demonstrations and commie parades were going to come and would happen. Those crybaby leftist liberal losers will never accept defeat. There has to be something very mentally wrong in the heads of those leftist liberal commie losers. They must think that they must win all the time. Boris now has to deliver Brexit without delay. Holding off and pandering to the crybaby's losers will only delay it that much longer. I hope that Boris does not give in to those commie losers. If he does than the anti Brexit people will be winning and we all will see and know that there Brexit vote means only shit to the establishment politicians whom always think that they always know what is best for we the sheeple.Go, Brexit, go. Works for me. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by taxme

[Moonlight Graham]

Conservatives win a majority, giving them a mandate by voters to pass some kind Brexit deal finally, after multiple minority governments.

[Iceni warrior]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Conservatives win a majority, giving them a mandate by voters to pass some kind Brexit deal finally, after multiple minority governments.

The size of his majority means that he will no longer be in thrall to the Brexit hardliners in the party and can now move towards the negotiated withdrawal he really wants.

No more no-deal rhetoric, back to a reworded May deal with an emphasis on frictionless trade and regulatory alignment.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

A major win for Boris, no doubt. As has been noted many times here, FPTP magnifies vote swings. We heard a lot about the popular vote in the last Canadian election and there were some interesting results in the UK too. The Conservative share of the vote increased by just 1.2% and the parties pushing for a second referendum actually got a majority of the votes. The big story of the night was the fall in Labour’s vote, down 7.8%, despite which Corbyn refuses to leave immediately and has the gall to say he won the arguments in the election!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/5-election-result-stats-paint-21089581

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/we-won-the-argument-but-i-regret-we-didnt-convert-that-into-a-majority-for-change

The SNP in Scotland got 45% of the vote and way more than that of the seats, of course - FPTP loves regional parties like the SNP or BQ. They are already calling for a new referendum on Scottish independence but that 45% figure suggests they would lose again. In Northern Ireland, the pro-Brexit Protestant party, the DUP,  lost 2 seats and over 5% of its vote share, ending up with just 30% of the vote, and SF lost an even bigger share, with the SDLP getting 2 seats and Alliance 1. Thus pro-United Ireland parties now have the same number of seats as pro-Union, 9 each, and that includes Alliance on the Unionist side. It’s a strong message to SF and the DUP to get back to negotiations to open the Assembly again, and it would appear to show frustration among some Catholic voters in Belfast and Derry about SF’s policy of abstention from Westminster. Boris’s big majority ends any influence the DUP had on the Brexit process. They probably should have taken May’s deal. 

The new Conservative coalition of working-class ex-Labourites, interested in good jobs and social services, and the Singapore-on-Thames no-tax crowd will be one heck of a challenge to hold together. 

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by SpankyMcFarland

[kactus]

I think the election results on Brexit is indicative of the growing nationalist sentiments in various regions of the country. In scotland, SNP won seats previously held by Liberal Democrat Jo Swinson boldening the position of Independence of Scotland yet opposing the Brexit as Scotland voted for remain. In England the majority vote swinged to conservative to push with Brexit and again finding its nationalistic roots to push for independence from Europe. With BoJo given the chance as the running prime minister for the next 5 years he has to decide whether to push the nationalistic agenda further to the right or shift the public opinion more towards a centre position. Eitherway, the nationalistic fervour are testing times yet quite a dangerous phase for the country.

[taxme]

On 12/14/2019 at 9:42 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Conservatives win a majority, giving them a mandate by voters to pass some kind Brexit deal finally, after multiple minority governments.

I am starting to get the feeling that Brexit is a long way off yet. The anti-Brexit conservatives in the party will try to slow the Brexit exit down as much as they can. I hope not. We will see what happens come January 31, 2020. 

[-TSS-]

The remoaners dont give up. They never will. The latest straw they are clutching at is to point out that in the election 16m people voted for the remain-parties while 14m voted for the leave-parties. The electoral system just played into the hands of the leavers.

This despite that the Labour-party stated before the election that it was not a Brexit-election trying to focus attention to issues such as the NHS and social issues, the strong points of Labour-campaigns. However, once the election was over all of a sudden it was a Brexit-election after all.

Usually it is considered an admirable trait when you never give up. However, there is a limit to that admirability such as refusing to acknowledge a result of a democratic referendum.

[Iceni warrior]

15 hours ago, -TSS- said:

The remoaners dont give up. They never will. The latest straw they are clutching at is to point out that in the election 16m people voted for the remain-parties while 14m voted for the leave-parties. The electoral system just played into the hands of the leavers.

This despite that the Labour-party stated before the election that it was not a Brexit-election trying to focus attention to issues such as the NHS and social issues, the strong points of Labour-campaigns. However, once the election was over all of a sudden it was a Brexit-election after all.

Usually it is considered an admirable trait when you never give up. However, there is a limit to that admirability such as refusing to acknowledge a result of a democratic referendum.

Tell me, do you think that the Leave side would have just given up and accepted the result if it was them that had lost 48-52?

What do you think the leavers would have said if Remain had based their campaign on lies about how much we sent to the EU each week or how easy it would be to make new deals with them?

What if it were the Remain campaign which had been found guilty of breaking electoral laws rather than the Leave campaign?

The British electorate was not only uninformed it was deliberately misinformed.

 

 

Edited December 27, 2019 by Iceni warrior

[Argus]

12 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

The British electorate was not only uninformed it was deliberately misinformed.

You too. If you think Brexit was really about money and how much is paid to the EU.

It was about culture and immigration and independence and nationalism.

[Iceni warrior]

15 minutes ago, Argus said:

You too. If you think Brexit was really about money and how much is paid to the EU.

It was about culture and immigration and independence and nationalism.

Our biggest cultural threat is from the US not Europe.

Immigration will not fall in numbers post Brexit. Even Boris refused to say that numbers should fall, instead prefering to talk about a points system.

The UK has remained independent for the last 40 years in Europe. Parliament is supreme, there is not one single law or regulation forced on us without the approval of Parliament.

Nationalism is just code for intolerant racism.

The EU is about free trade and ease of movement between the UK and it's major trading partners. To throw that away for some ignorant belief that ''sovereignty'' will be returned is the most stupid thing the UK has ever done.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said:

Our biggest cultural threat is from the US not Europe.

Immigration will not fall in numbers post Brexit. Even Boris refused to say that numbers should fall, instead prefering to talk about a points system.

The UK has remained independent for the last 40 years in Europe. Parliament is supreme, there is not one single law or regulation forced on us without the approval of Parliament.

Nationalism is just code for intolerant racism.

The EU is about free trade and ease of movement between the UK and it's major trading partners. To throw that away for some ignorant belief that ''sovereignty'' will be returned is the most stupid thing the UK has ever done.

Boy, you've sure trotted out all the talking points. Are you reading them off a card or something?

There are too many foreigners living in and coming to the UK. Period. Racism's got nothing to do with that attitude. The British are as annoyed with the Poles and their lilly white skin as they are with the Jamaicans. That mass of people trudging north from the middle east and North Africa was awfully unimpressive though too. It demonstrated that not only could the EU do nothing to defend its borders but it could do nothing to remove those people even when they were found not to be genuine refugees.

If Boris doesn't tone it down you'll see the rise of the Brexit party in another incarnation.

And yes, EU laws trumped those in the UK, and EU courts trumped those in the UK too.