The Death of the Federal Liberal Party

[Queenmandy85]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

He was working for the Commander-in-Chief, to get the right ship for the navy, which was his lawful mandate,

His lawful mandate is to obey orders or resign.

 

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would also continue to caution against publishing to the internet false accusations of treason against military personnel.

Admiral Norman has professed his innocence and he is an officer and a gentleman so I believe him. This case has not been tested in Court.

[Dougie93]

Ordering the Admiral to look the other way vis a vis alleged influence peddling in cabinet, is an unlawful order.

By the Queen's Regulations and Orders,no member of the military is bound to obey an unlawful order, quite the opposite in fact, the QR&O's direct that unlawful orders be declined on the spot.

[Dougie93]

You see, this is what prevents the government from imposing military tyranny upon you.  

Where they order us to do wrong, the Commander-in-Chief overrides them.

God save the Queen and her Mohawk Warriors.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If anyone breeches Cabinet secrecy, that is a crime. 

Active members of the military should never participate in politics. Their role is to obey the orders of the civil power. 

So, given that, how is Admiral Norman a political prisoner. If the rest of the chain of command do not understand the boundaries, they should resign.

On the other hand, Admiral Norma is presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

What secrecy? The information already in the media is that all of this stuff was widely leaked before he's alleged to have done so.

Norman was not charged due to leaking cabinet secrets. He was charged because the Irving family is sending a message about their power and reach in the government. Norman championed a ship offered up by another shipyard to replace the navy's non-existent supply ship when the shipyard that was supposed to build it - Irvings - ran way behind schedule. Irving reached into cabinet and gave Scott Brison his marching orders. Brison led the attack on Norman, who was the head of the navy, and with the assistance of others in cabinet who are beholden to the Irvings, got him ousted from his post and then charged.

Leaks are a dime a dozen in Ottawa. They happen every day. But woe to anyone who dares to offend the Irving family.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

By "blowing the whistle," you mean he allegedly breeched cabinet secrets. This is the equivalent of what Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did in the US.

Well, if the data the Rosenberg's gave the Soviets was already widely available to everyone in and outside of media I suppose you could make that comparison.

[Dougie93]

Moreover, as the VCDS former Chief of the Maritime Staff, Admiral Norman had a professional mandate to make sure the Navy got the right ship for the mission in a timely manner.

The Irving proposal was not as per the statement of requirements.

[Dougie93]

To the larger issue, the Chantier-Davie Federal Fleet Services capability is not just the right ship, it's the right method of delivery.

The public-private partnership model used by the Americans and British, military merchant marine.

This is a revolutionary improvement for the Canadian Forces, bringing them in line with best practices in terms of replenishment at sea capability at affordable cost.

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Admiral Norman has professed his innocence and he is an officer and a gentleman so I believe him. This case has not been tested in Court.

He is not charged with treason nor espionage.   To publish that he is "like the Rosenberg's" is reckless.  It is your prerogative, I am simply cautioning you against it.

[PIK]

On 2/14/2019 at 9:05 AM, scribblet said:

Ontario voters continued voting for a corrupt provincial Liberal gov't so there's not much reason to believe they will not continue voting for a corrupt Federal Liberal gov't. 

If the Liberals party wants to win a majority they would be smart to remove Trudeau, but I don't see that happening before the election.

ONT learned the hard way, it wont happen again.

[Dougie93]

38 minutes ago, PIK said:

ONT learned the hard way, it wont happen again.

Doesn't matter who you vote for, all roads lead to the Liberal Party of Canada, you can't vote the public service out, Ottawa is a Liberal fortress, no matter who you make the Queen's Executive, the public sector can easily slow walk anything trying to conserve on behalf of the taxpayers, until such time as the Liberals can be coronated back into their "rightful place" as the Natural Ruling Party,  or as Jeffrey Simpson once called it; The Benign Dictatorship.

Otherwise known as a Nanny Police State.  And as the dictatorship is asymmetrical, there is no way to vote it out.

You'd have a better chance of voting the North Vietnamese out of Hanoi, than you would voting the Liberals out of Ottawa.

Edited February 15, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

The only way to break this dictatorship, is to break Confederation itself.    Vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre.

[August1991]

Make no mistake, this civilised place called Canada will exist - even after the end of the federal Liberal Party.

Edited February 16, 2019 by August1991

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Make no mistake, this civilised place called Canada will exist - even after the end of the federal Liberal Party.

As long as Canada exists, so to will the Liberal Party of Canada. 

All roads lead to the Liberal Party of Canada, until de-confederation.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Nobody is saying Deconfederation is a doomsday. 

Well, those trying to prop up their Cultural Marxist Protectorate might fear monger that way, but they would say that wouldn't they?

The Dominions of the Canada's are not wiped off the map, they simply devolve the Confederation into a customs union within the Commonwealth.

Sovereignty Association is the only way to go, Quebec is already there in essence.

[Dougie93]

49 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

As long as Canada exists, so to will the Liberal Party of Canada. 

All roads lead to the Liberal Party of Canada, until de-confederation.

An Australia of our very own, what is taken by Quebec must be given to all.   Vive le Canadiens libre.

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

Make no mistake, this civilised place called Canada will exist - even after the end of the federal Liberal Party.

Make no mistake, we do not defend nor uphold a Canada which exists solely to enable the malignant corruption of Keep the French In, Keep the Americans Out, and Keep the Indians Down.

Kick the French out, let the Americans in, and let the indians up.    God save the Queen and Her Mohawk Warriors, God bless America, and to hell with Eskimo Communist Confederation.

[Yzermandius19]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Make no mistake, we do not defend nor uphold a Canada which exists solely to enable the malignant corruption of Keep the French In, Keep the Americans Out, and Keep the Indians Down.

Kick the French out, let the Americans in, and let the indians up.    God save the Queen and Her Mohawk Warriors, God bless America, and to hell with Eskimo Communist Confederation.

Kick the French Out, Let the Americans In, and Let the Indians Up > Keep the French In, Keep the Americans Out, and Keep the Indians Down

Eskimo Communists disagree, but they would disagree now wouldn't they? F**k Eskimo Communism and the Confederation that it rode in on.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Canadian Confederation is the last remaining vestige of the British Empire.  

The British Empire is defunct.  

Confederation no longer serves any good purpose. 

It is all corruption and rot.

The American Information Empire is the only future.

Adapt or perish in a dark and frozen Eskimo Communist Nanny Prohibitionist Welfare Gulag.

The Chinese Communists will not save the Cultural Marxist Protectorate.

Bitumen will not save the Cultural Marxist Protectorate.

Nothing will save this malignant tumor, it will be cut out, with the scalpel of the Clarity Act.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Eskimo Communists disagree, but they would disagree now wouldn't they? F**k Eskimo Communism and the Confederation that it rode in on.

As if Scotland can be free of the United Kingdom, but we cannot be free of those fuckwits in New Brunswick?   Crackuh, please.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Canada and Confederation remain strong and exemplary.  The Liberal party is poor right now but has been effective in the past.  Neither the Liberal Party nor Canada will disappear, but the rise of the Yellow Jacket Movement, now spreading into Quebec with the demise of SNC, will likely result in a swing right and a reaction to the politically correct Puritanism of the Trudeau regime.  

[Queenmandy85]

At the risk of actually responding to the OP, the Liberal Party show's no sign of dying yet. If an election had been held on Valentine's Day, they would have received a majority (177 seats) according to Eric Grenier's Poll Tracker. The CPC has actually dipped very slightly, losing a fraction of a point to Bernier.

There are eight months to go before the real election and they say a week is an eternity in politics. This is why politics is our true national sport.

[Dougie93]

The Liberal Party of Canada will die when the global illiberal democratic populist movement incites a Canexit, starting at Quebec, followed by Ontario

The will still be a Liberal Party of Ontario, but they won't have Quebec to enable them impose the policies of downtown Toronto on the rest of the province.

There will be a Toronto separatist movement as the Lefties in Toronto kick up a ruckus of their own, but that will fizzle out.

[Dougie93]

Yellow Vests will not work, the Liberal Party of Canada will crush that with ease, however in doing so, they will incite the Clarity Act.

As with the last referendum, Liberals and liberals will continue to say that everything is fine, nothing to see here, move along, right up until the last moment.

This time however, it will be their undoing, because times have changed, all of Canada is now just as unstable as Les Deux Solitudes

As with most revolutions, bourgeois liberals are the last to realize what is happening, and thus react far too late to stop it.

What has come to Europe and America is coming to Canada next, Canada however, is too unstable to withstand it.

Again, if Scotland can be free of England, Ontario can much more easily be free of New Brunswick and the rest of the dead weight too.

Ontario is larger and richer than most European countries, the idea that Ontario needs the Eskimos and Newfies to help us out, is obviously nonsensical.

America First.  Ontario is with America.  If the rest of Canada can't handle it, too bad, who needs them?  Not us.

Nothing can stop the American Information Age Revolution, join us in postmodernism, or freeze in the darkness of the defunct Industrial Age.

Modernity died with the Iron Curtain, and it's not coming back, the future is here, and it is radically leftist.  It's just not socialist.

Virtual Westphalian Nation States  have rendered socialism moot.   You can't keep us in anymore, we can come and go as we please.

Power to the people, whether you like it or not. The liberty of the individual is everything, central planning will not stand.

Canada is simply an agreement, and agreements can be broken, as they no longer serve their purposes, which Confederation never actually did in the first place.

 

Edited February 16, 2019 by Dougie93

[Centerpiece]

Interesting that there hasn't been any speculation as to why Scott Brison resigned when he did. Why not wait closer to the election? Why then? Could it be that the PMO gang needed that domino to fall at that time? 

[Dougie93]

They're panicking. They're not making rational political choices so much as scurrying like rats.

Bear in mind, when they went to make Admiral Norman their political prisoner, they were new to government, so they vastly overreached, they were full of themselves so they were reckless.

Entirely plausible that  Vice-Admiral Norman will sue the taxpayer at the end of all this, another $10.5 million settlement coming down the pike.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Dougie93