The Death of the Federal Liberal Party

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

France sold out New France through the Treaty of Paris.  What obligation does France now feel towards Quebec?   Canada is part of the Commonwealth and the BNA Act enshrined French language and cultural protections.  

France has lost most of its Empire, France desires for the House of Bourbon in North America to become a client state, all is forgiven, the revolution is long ago, all that matters to the French now, is being the bulwark of French culture in the world.

I have been on exercise with the French Army and the Vandoos, the French embraced the Vandoos as French, we Anglos were the fifth wheel, the League Francophone was in effect, at Valcartier, a French Fortress on the St. Lawrence still.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

I mean, when Quebec leaves Confederation, France has a foothold once again in America, for the first time since Bonaparte sold Louisiana, France is all over that like a fat kid on a smartie, make no mistake.

France will put Quebec on a pedestal, France will shower Quebec with gifts, to include enough high tech weapons to keep Canada at bay forever.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

France has lost most of its Empire, France desires for the House of Bourbon in North America to become a client state, all is forgiven, the revolution is long ago, all that matters to the French now, is being the bulwark of French culture in the world.

I have been on exercise with the French Army and the Vandoos, the French embraced the Vandoos as French, we Anglos were the fifth wheel, the League Francophone was in effect, at Valcartier, a French Fortress on the St. Lawrence still.

Sure the French are welcome to pay for defence in Canada. Of course they will not.  France is overwhelmed by unrest in the North African suburbs of Paris and now by the Yellow Vest rebellion.  It’s 1968 again with the addition of taxes, climate change, and mass migration. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Sure the French are welcome to pay for defence in Canada. Of course they will not.  France is overwhelmed by unrest in the North African suburbs of Paris and now by the Yellow Vest rebellion.  It’s 1968 again with the addition of taxes, climate change, and mass migration. 

France is always bubbling with uppity rabble rousers, par for the course, just another day in France, rioting and quelling riots is the essence of being French, since 1789.

Yellow Vests will exhaust themselves, the French national security state is just lying in wait, if you think the Yellow Vests are going to waylay the Republic, you don't know the French.

[Dougie93]

There's already a French counterrevolutionary  force against the Yellow Vests, it's  called the Red Scarfs, the tide is already turning on the Yellow Vests, wait out for the French special forces to pounce.

[Yzermandius19]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You're very wrong. We grow up learning English French and English immersion programs are very popular.  

You don't think Spanish immersion programs are popular in America? More Americans speak Spanish than Canadians speak French, you just want to buy into the bilingual propaganda pushed by Liberals in the 1970's, and think it's one of things that makes Canada great, but you need to put down the CBC propaganda and learn a little Canadian history that isn't spoon fed to you by the Liberal Party of Canada.

[Dougie93]

I mean, I don't know which France you are thinking of, but France is the country where there is only a 2nd Foreign Legion Parachute Regiment, because the 1st Foreign Legion Parachute Regiment was permanently disbanded, when it  tried to assassinate De Gaulle and stage a coup de tat, the Yellow Vests are a nothing burger by French standards, just another day at the park for the French.

Imagine if the Canadian Airborne Regiment had tried to kill Jean Chretien and take the Canadian government down, when the order to disband the Regiment  was imposed by Ottawa,  that is what happened in France in 1962. 

Yellow Vests?  Whoopie fuckin do.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I mean, I don't know which France you are thinking of, but France is the country where there is only a 2nd Foreign Legion Parachute Regiment, because the 1st Foreign Legion Parachute Regiment was permanently disbanded, when it  tried to assassinate De Gaulle and stage a coup de tat, the Yellow Vests are a nothing burger by French standards, just another day at the park for the French.

The folks who think the Yellow Vests are a gamechanger in France, are engaging in wishful thinking and are ignorant of French history. Or they know the history and lack critical thinking skills that actually allows them to understand the big picture, especially when they are prone to seeing what they want to see, instead of what actually is.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

Wishful thinking is a hell of drug, and it will in fact be the undoing of The Liberal Party of Canada, as they will be in denial about the potential for Quebec to leave during the next referendum, until it is too late.

I mean, the Liberals honestly think that the Clarity Act makes it more difficult to break up the country than before. They really think that if they are the ones who get to word the referendum, and they word it in the right way, then Quebec will never vote Oui on the question of Quebec independence, that's how deluded they are about it.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The folks who think the Yellow Vests are a gamechanger in France, are engaging in wishful thinking and are ignorant of French history. Or they know the history and lack critical thinking skills that actually allows them to understand the big picture, especially when they are prone to seeing what they want to see, instead of what actually is.

Yellow Vests is just more virtue signalling.  If one wants to have a revolution in Canada, no need for a vest, the Clarity Act provides, Canada can be taken down in an afternoon, nary a shot fired.

[Yzermandius19]

Arrogance of that magnitude will be the Liberal Party of Canada's undoing, they are just too damn high on the Confederation Pixie Dust and Wishful Thinking to see straight, to the point that they think the Clarity Act is their friend. 

It's hilarious really, thanks for helping to sell the idiot Liberals on that bulls**t Chrietien, that false hope will kill the party and the Confederation that it rode in on.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

I mean, F**k Alberta, they talk a big game about ceding from Confederation, but they don't have the guts to do it.  I have the courage of my convictions, Canadian Confederation delenda est.

[August1991]

44 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

France sold out New France through the Treaty of Paris.  What obligation does France now feel towards Quebec?   Canada is part of the Commonwealth and the BNA Act enshrined French language and cultural protections.  

France did not sell out New France through the "Treaty of Paris".

In fact, there were two treaties: one signed in Fontainebleau, the other in Hubertusburg. The latter far more important at the time but the former now referred to as "Paris".

Such is life that events change relevance. 

 

[Dougie93]

Washington National Security Consensus delenda est.

International Monetary Fund delenda est.

United Nations Security Council delenda est.

If the communists and the fascists want a war, bring it on, we will kill it with fire, thermonuclear fire as necessary.

Have at them, Uncle Abe, weapons free, watch and shoot, watch and shoot.

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, August1991 said:

France did not sell out New France through the "Treaty of Paris".

In fact, there were two treaties: one signed in Fontainebleau, the other in Hubertusburg. The latter far more important at the time but the former now referred to as "Paris".

Such is life that events change relevance.

Fontainbleau ceded Louisiana to the Spanish, but then Bonaparte sold it to the Americans, the union of the Spanish and German crowns was disputed by the French, but then the German crown drove the French all the way back to Versailles, were cousin Willy declared himself Emperor while putting his jackboot upon the throats of the French, rendering the final vestiges of Fontainbleau totally irrelevant.

Until the First World War,  but the Treaty of Versailles did not of course mention Fontainbleau, since by that time America owned it, and by that time America owned the world, as the British had ceded the Empire to Wall Street.

And that is the world in which you live, where France, Germany and Britain are totally irrelevant, other than where the Americans let them have a taste.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[August1991]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Fontainbleau ceded Louisiana to the Spanish, but then Bonaparte sold it to the Americans, the union of the Spanish and German crowns was disputed by the French, but then the German crown drove the French Crown all the way back to Versailles, were cousin Willy declared himself Emperor while putting his jackboot upon the throats of the French, rendering the final vestiges of Fontainbleau totally irrelevant for all time.

So what's your conclusion?

Au Canada, notre premier Premier Ministre fédéral catholique s'appelait Thompson.

Ensuite, on a eu Clark, Turner, Mulroney, Martin. Les Américains n'ont eu qu'un seul président catholique : Kennedy.

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Dougie93, give it a rest. Canada is cold, but a great place to be. Quebec in Canada is better than Norway alone.

[August1991]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

... Alberta in Canada is better than Norway alone.

The federal Liberal party is not Canada.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, August1991 said:

So what's your conclusion?

Fontainbleau is totally irrelevant, because Louisiana is America now, rendering any French and/or Spanish claims to it moot.

Meanwhile, the Treaty of Paris signed the very next year, is stll in force, the legal claim to British North America, which even the Americans defend and uphold, by way of the United Kingdom - United States Security Agreement, to which neither France nor Spain are signatory,  nor even relevant to, unless and until Quebec invokes the Clarity Act, at which point France will have a foothold in America once again, although not in Louisiana.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind that the Acadians in Louisiana were not driven out of Quebec, they were driven out of Nova Scotia.

My ancestor who came to British North America in 1757, did not displace the Quebecois, but my family has lived on Acadian land ever since, after the British ethnically cleansed them from what is now called Hants County, on the banks of the Avon river.

So Louisiana is Canadian in a sense, but it does not emanate from the 60,000 colonists in Nouvelle France.  

The Americans have  a vague sense of the Acadians Canadianess. but not so they'd give a shit about it, America First, f**k Acadia.

[August1991]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Fontainbleau is totally irrelevant, because Louisiana is America now, rendering any French and/or Spanish claims to it moot...

 

Good point.

Which returns me to my OP.

I reckon that we are watching the death of the federal Liberal Party.

But Canada lives - whadda country!

[Dougie93]

The Liberal Party of Canada will live, until Quebec invokes the Clarity Act, then the Liberal Party of Canada will be mostly reduced to the Liberal Party of Ontario whence it came.

[Dougie93]

Once it is reduced back to the Liberal Party of Ontario, it will be small enough for us to strangle it in the bathtub.  Then we will go after the Kneedippers and wipe them out too.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Once it is reduced back to the Liberal Party of Ontario, it will be small enough for us to strangle it in the bathtub.  Then we will go after the Kneedippers and wipe them out too.

If you want to break the left wing kook stranglehold over politics in Canadian provinces, as Dougie and I do, then there is no better way to help achieve that than through the Clarity Act. Once Canada is gone, there will be no Liberal Party of Canada, and there will be no associated CBC propaganda arm, two sacred cows that most prop up the left wing kooks, slaughtered in one fell swoop.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

There will still be a left wing in Ontario,  but it will be the libertarian left, the dope smoking peace hippies, for most part I will get along with them, but other conservatives may still cling to their prohibitionist hyper Protestant work ethic, which is kind of baked into the cake of Upper Canada.

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There will still be a left wing in Ontario,  but it will be the libertarian left, the dope smoking peace hippies, for most part I will get along with them, but other conservatives may still cling to their prohibitionist hyper Protestant work ethic, which is kind of baked into the cake of Upper Canada.

A more rational left in Ontario sounds pretty sweet to me, one of the many perks brought to us by the Clarity Act, when Quebec and Ontario finally chooses to evoke it that is.

The Liberal Party of Canada delenda est.
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation delenda est.
Two Birds With One Stone, The Clarity Act. 
Woop-Woop! Vive Le Quebec Libre!

Edited February 18, 2019 by Yzermandius19