Trudeau lying about SNC

bush_cheney2004 · February 21, 2019

SNC-Lavalin has already plea bargained down to 10 year bans based on previous bribery and corruption charges. So it is hardly a new idea to do the same in Canada.

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WASHINGTON, April 17, 2013 - The World Bank Group today announced the debarment of SNC-Lavalin Inc. - in addition to over 100 affiliates - for a period of 10 years following the company’s misconduct in relation to the Padma Multipurpose Bridge Project in Bangladesh, as well as misconduct under another Bank-financed project. SNC-Lavalin Inc. is a subsidiary of SNC-Lavalin Group, a Canadian company, and represents more than 60% of its business.

The debarment is part of a Negotiated Resolution Agreement between the World Bank and SNC-Lavalin Group following a World Bank investigation into allegations of bribery schemes involving SNC-Lavalin Inc. and officials in Bangladesh.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2013/04/17/world-bank-debars-snc-lavalin-inc-and-its-affiliates-for-ten-years

cannuck · February 21, 2019

7 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

But again, what is a reasonable consequence? Destroying the company?

The criminals destroyed the company. It is not "driving until you have an accident", it is a matter of choosing to operate with criminal intent.

You are mimmicking the truly disastrous "too big to fail" attitude that has subjugated the entire US (and world) economy to financial interests. When you screw up in business, you fail. THAT is how those who do not screw up get their chance to fix the problems. Rewarding a business for treachery is an extremely flawed (and in this case extremely illegal) thing to do.

scribblet · February 21, 2019

This is behind a paywall - from Robert Fife.. .... someone in LPC cabinet must be leaking.

Former attorney-general Jody Wilson-Raybould told federal cabinet ministers she believed it was improper for officials in the Prime Minister’s Office to press her to help SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. out of its legal difficulties, sources say

'On Tuesday, Wilson-Raybould privately outlined her concerns about the handling of the SNC-Lavalin prosecution to her former colleagues within the confidentiality of cabinet, freed from the bounds of solicitor-client privilege that have restricted her public statements so far.'

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-jody-wilson-raybould-tells-cabinet-why-she-would-not-intervene-in-snc/

Zeitgeist · February 21, 2019

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

The criminals destroyed the company. It is not "driving until you have an accident", it is a matter of choosing to operate with criminal intent.

You are mimmicking the truly disastrous "too big to fail" attitude that has subjugated the entire US (and world) economy to financial interests. When you screw up in business, you fail. THAT is how those who do not screw up get their chance to fix the problems. Rewarding a business for treachery is an extremely flawed (and in this case extremely illegal) thing to do.

Sounds puritanical. Following this line of reasoning most businesses should be shut down. I’m not suggesting for a second that SNC shouldn’t be penalized, but keep the prisoner alive. A ten year ban is a death sentence. Anyway now it looks like the political pile on has started and this company is fucked.

Rue · February 21, 2019

2 hours ago, scribblet said:

This is behind a paywall - from Robert Fife.. .... someone in LPC cabinet must be leaking.

Former attorney-general Jody Wilson-Raybould told federal cabinet ministers she believed it was improper for officials in the Prime Minister’s Office to press her to help SNC-Lavalin Group Inc. out of its legal difficulties, sources say

'On Tuesday, Wilson-Raybould privately outlined her concerns about the handling of the SNC-Lavalin prosecution to her former colleagues within the confidentiality of cabinet, freed from the bounds of solicitor-client privilege that have restricted her public statements so far.'

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-jody-wilson-raybould-tells-cabinet-why-she-would-not-intervene-in-snc/

You are right. There is a leak and has been for awhile suggesting Trudeau lost control of his cabinet and inner office over what he did.

When polls suddenly drop the rats panic.

Here is a sure sign of panic.

You will note yesterday down in the polls where was Justin, why of course off at a funeral in Halifax where he had no reason to be giggling and crying and making sure the cameras focused on him instead of the funeral for 7 refugees that died in a fire.

Justin once again showed what a whore he is and how he uses any opportunity, even the deaths of people in fires for political photo shoots. CTV and CBC or should I say Pravda and Tass News agencies zeroed in on both him giggling and then shedding a tear. Its pathetic crass exploitation of tragedy to try revive his image and it was disgusting and why I have no time of day for this individual.

Someone send him to the Philippines to pick up the trash we are dumping their. Have him go there and shed a tear for the dumping and discuss a carbon tax with the President of the Philippines and lecture them on his concerns for the environment. He can pose on a beach and cry with a dolphin,

Edited February 21, 2019 by Rue

eyeball · February 21, 2019

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not suggesting for a second that SNC shouldn’t be penalized, but keep the prisoner alive. A ten year ban is a death sentence. Anyway now it looks like the political pile on has started and this company is fucked.

Maybe we can torture SNC along the way and get some useful intelligence about other criminal corporations that deserve to be similarly fucked.

cannuck · February 21, 2019

6 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Sounds puritanical. Following this line of reasoning most businesses should be shut down. I’m not suggesting for a second that SNC shouldn’t be penalized, but keep the prisoner alive. A ten year ban is a death sentence. Anyway now it looks like the political pile on has started and this company is fucked.

First of all, your accusation that "most businesses" in Canada are acting in criminal manner is not only pure BS, but insulting to the people who put their money and time on the line to create the jobs that feed those who actually create wealth. Yes, the list of those close to the backrooms of the LPC I do not include in that statement, but the vast majority of businesses in this country are not organized crime - and do not have the LPC or any other political party in their back pocket.

The ten year ban is federal law/regulation. When ANY company makes a living bidding federal work, they know fully well the penalty for being convicted of ANY criminal activity is a ten year ban. SNC knows that, their legal department knows that, the PMO knows that and the PM and his best bud Butts know that.

To use YOUR line of reasoning: the mafia, Hell's Angels and a few other organizations probably employ almost as many Canadians as does SNC. Just like SNC, they are a criminal organization (many even based in Quebec), so by your standards, they deserve a slap on the wrist so they can continue employing people in a business that depends upon criminal activity to survive. And don't try to feed me some bullshit that dealing drugs is bad crime but bribing and kickbacks to obtain hundreds of BILLIONS of taxpayer's dollars is just fine, because its a good crime.

Yes, you are correct, 10 years may well be a death sentence to a crimnal organization, but as everyone else had explained to you, the work is still going to be done, it will be done by the same workers, they will just work for an honest employer who successfully bids to do so.

Edited February 21, 2019 by cannuck

cannuck · February 21, 2019

Had an interesting talk with some of my friends in the East today. Remember the $600,000,000.00 the Libs were going to pay out to the embattled "independent" media? Seems that plays into some of the goings on with the SNC affair. Cabinet it seems (Morneau in particular) decides who gets what from the trough. Seems the CBC started to get wind of the SNC stuff in very early stages, and gave a heads up to Butts - right after getting a rather large slice of the pork barrel pie.

So, while the CBC is trying to look like a reporting agency, they have been in this shit up to their eyeballs working with the PMO to minimize the damage.

THIS is the quality of people we have elected to run our country.

I guess we really do get the government we deserve.

WestCanMan · February 21, 2019

4 hours ago, Rue said:

You will note yesterday down in the polls where was Justin, why of course off at a funeral in Halifax where he had no reason to be giggling and crying and making sure the cameras focused on him instead of the funeral for 7 refugees that died in a fire.

Justin once again showed what a whore he is and how he uses any opportunity, even the deaths of people in fires for political photo shoots. CTV and CBC or should I say Pravda and Tass News agencies zeroed in on both him giggling and then shedding a tear. Its pathetic crass exploitation of tragedy to try revive his image and it was disgusting and why I have no time of day for this individual.

So true. It's pathetic to see liberal media and their sycophants trying their best to cuddle Trudeau's political career through this storm of his own making. Harper's $90K non-crime got more traction in the media than all 5 of Trudeau's actual ethics breeches combined.

Check out how the focus is being shifted away from Trudeau and towards his detractors on CBC:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cartoonist-to-stop-portraying-women-in-violent-situations-1.5023081

This Charlie Hebdo moment was brought to you by radical liberals doing whatever they can to discourage political commentary that's deemed unflattering to their Supreme Leader.

WestCanMan · February 21, 2019

6 minutes ago, cannuck said:

So, while the CBC is trying to look like a reporting agency, they have been in this shit up to their eyeballs working with the PMO to minimize the damage.

THIS is the quality of people we have elected to run our country.

I guess we really do get the government we deserve.

The tough part about having a decent democracy with free speech is that everyone on earth who thinks that they have a bone to pick with our majority society/race/religion gets to yell their accusatory platitudes and our liberal media outlets make money from giving them a platform to discuss their "issues" as if they have merit.

In the end we get stuck with politicians who denigrate our society for easy votes and that's how we got stuck with a total loser like Trudeau.

scribblet · February 21, 2019

This is totally unacceptable from The Clerk of the Privy Council who intended to be non-partisan, yet he spent much of his time attacking Conservative MPs and regurgitating Trudeau talking points, not to mention fanning the flames.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lametti-justice-committee-snc-lavalin-1.5027617

Zeitgeist · February 21, 2019

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

First of all, your accusation that "most businesses" in Canada are acting in criminal manner is not only pure BS, but insulting to the people who put their money and time on the line to create the jobs that feed those who actually create wealth. Yes, the list of those close to the backrooms of the LPC I do not include in that statement, but the vast majority of businesses in this country are not organized crime - and do not have the LPC or any other political party in their back pocket.

The ten year ban is federal law/regulation. When ANY company makes a living bidding federal work, they know fully well the penalty for being convicted of ANY criminal activity is a ten year ban. SNC knows that, their legal department knows that, the PMO knows that and the PM and his best bud Butts know that.

To use YOUR line of reasoning: the mafia, Hell's Angels and a few other organizations probably employ almost as many Canadians as does SNC. Just like SNC, they are a criminal organization (many even based in Quebec), so by your standards, they deserve a slap on the wrist so they can continue employing people in a business that depends upon criminal activity to survive. And don't try to feed me some bullshit that dealing drugs is bad crime but bribing and kickbacks to obtain hundreds of BILLIONS of taxpayer's dollars is just fine, because its a good crime.

Yes, you are correct, 10 years may well be a death sentence to a crimnal organization, but as everyone else had explained to you, the work is still going to be done, it will be done by the same workers, they will just work for an honest employer who successfully bids to do so.

Stop. Are you equating SNC with the Hell’s Angels? This massive engineering firm that has built infrastructure in Canada and around the world is not selling drugs, extorting money or murdering people.

It’s clear that some on here actually think one of the two major parties in Canada is more ethical than the other. Please.

Edited February 21, 2019 by Zeitgeist

cannuck · February 22, 2019

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Stop. Are you equating SNC with the Hell’s Angels? This massive engineering firm that has built infrastructure in Canada and around the world is not selling drugs, extorting money or murdering people.

It’s clear that some on here actually think one of the two major parties in Canada is more ethical than the other. Please.

Criminal = criminal. I suppose you work for SNC or the LPC, so YOUR vesion of criminal, as I predicted, is good crime. They are extorting, bribing, paying kickbacks - crime is crime, which is why their business practices come under the criminal code of Canada, not merely civil litigation. BTW: their support of the Ghadafi regime and family was instrumental in financing a regime the DID indeed commit a fair number of murders. Why do you think the World Bank kicked their sorry ass to the curb???

It seems that one or two major parties ARE a fair bit more ethical than the LPC - as history and current events continue to demonstrate.

Edited February 22, 2019 by cannuck

Dougie93 · February 22, 2019

The HAMC is far less shady than SNC. The HAMC doesn't do business with dictators like Quadaffi.

Dougie93 · February 22, 2019

Quaddafi was not some comical clown, that regime was diabolical, they held mass executions as a spectator sport.

The HAMC are criminals, they're not mass murdering war criminals.

Zeitgeist · February 22, 2019

28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Quaddafi was not some comical clown, that regime was diabolical, they held mass executions as a spectator sport.

The HAMC are criminals, they're not mass murdering war criminals.

Yup, pretty incredible how many American and British companies were doing business with Gadaffi. What a joke.

“Some of the biggest oil producers and servicers, including BP, ExxonMobil, Halliburton, Chevron, Conoco and Marathon Oil joined with defense giants like Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, multinationals like Dow Chemical and Fluor and the high-powered law firm White & Case to form the US-Libya Business Association in 2005. The members of its executive advisory council each pay $20,000 in annual dues to the group, which is managed by the National Foreign Trade Council, a coalition that seeks to facilitate international opportunities for U.S. companies. Most of the group's members have lobbied the U.S. government since 2004 to protect their investments in Libya or to iron out business problems with the regime. Bilateral trade with Libya totaled $2.7 billion in 2010, compared to practically nothing in 2003 when sanctions were still in force”

courtesy of HuffPost’s Marcus Baram

Dougie93 · February 22, 2019

The purpose was to get the Libyans to give up their WMD program. The deal was, Libya gives up its CBRN, and in return they would be allowed back into the international market.

The primary Anglo-American concern was preventing Libyan CBRN from falling into the hands of terrorists.

Dougie93 · February 22, 2019

Which turned out to be prescient, because in the end the terrorists do rule Libya, but the WMD program is long gone so there is no CBRN there for them to take.

Zeitgeist · February 22, 2019

24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Which turned out to be prescient, because in the end the terrorists do rule Libya, but the WMD program is long gone so there is no CBRN there for them to take.

So equivocation. It’s fine for other countries to have business interests in Libya but not Canada. Shooting ourselves in the feet...

Dougie93 · February 22, 2019

Canada is not a hegemon, Canada should not try to be one. Canada does not have to be cannon fodder for the hegemons, vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre.

Zeitgeist · February 22, 2019

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada is not a hegemon, Canada should not try to be one. Canada does not have to be cannon fodder for the hegemons, vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre.

So don’t anyone on here for a second think that “Dougie” stands up for Canada’s interests. Like many fake Canadians on here, he is about trying to impose standards for Canada that he believes shouldn’t apply to the US strictly because of its power. It’s the might is right argument. I hope that if there are any Canadian posters on here, and there are a few, that they see the game being played here. I’ve never forgotten.

cannuck · February 22, 2019

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

So don’t anyone on here for a second think that “Dougie” stands up for Canada’s interests. Like many fake Canadians on here, he is about trying to impose standards for Canada that he believes shouldn’t apply to the US strictly because of its power. It’s the might is right argument. I hope that if there are any Canadian posters on here, and there are a few, that they see the game being played here. I’ve never forgotten.

Canadian companies are free to work in ANY country, but they simply have to do it under the restrictions of Canadian law. BTW: it you think American companies are given some break in this matter, you have no idea what AML, anti-terrorist funding, conflict of interest, sanctions, and anti-corruption law applies to all US companies working anywhere in the world. Far, far more restrictive than Canadian law. As it is, we have moved a bit more in harmony with US law (since we share an economy with them). Some years ago, it was fine for Canadian business to "bestow benefits" upon those in foreign companies and governments (i.e. bribes) as long as the deal was not negotiated on or paid from Canadian soil.

Again, in your constant appologies for and defense of one of the largest organized crime businesses outside of the drug trade on the planet, you conveniently ignore the fact that they have been sanctioned by the World Bank for their criminal behaviour in a wide number of countries. They are in trouble here because they have broken Canadian law, not in a misdemeanor sense, but criminally.

Edited February 22, 2019 by cannuck

cannuck · February 22, 2019

As one expects from the Liberals: the wagons have been circled and the orders to whitewash have been given. When the Clerk of the Privy Council starts complaining about Canadian media (!!!!!!) and the Justice Minister shows his face on every available media outlet to slay JWR in defense of Sunny Ways, you know the fix is in. There was never any question about SNC's criminal guilt, only if the penalty was going to be a slap on the wrist or a kiss on their ass.

In other news: kneepads and baby wipes are being distributed widely throughout the Cabinet, LPC and the bureaucracy.

I think I will call Hatch today and suggest they file a complaint with the Competitions Bureau that their competitive position has been compromised by allowing an unqualified (due to criminal activity) company to bid on federal contracts.

Edited February 22, 2019 by cannuck