Trudeau lying about SNC

Zeitgeist · February 12, 2019

37 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Perhaps Trudeau will not tolerate uppity "aboriginals", considering how much the Trudeaus have done for them. /s

The attempts at reconciliation and taking an honest and hard look at fixes to life on reserves and indigenous affairs are noble enough, but I actually don’t think they’ll make a big difference, sadly. No one wants to make hard but necessary choices. I mean, the indigenous should make those choices, but it is mostly with non-indigenous tax money, so it’s this endless cap in hand negotiation. The more financial independence indigenous people have, the more substantive that self-determination will be. Even the most socially enlightened Canadians have no choice but to see the indigenous as a special interest group asking for handouts, no matter how important they are. People are people and the question will always be, why should one group which is not contributing much to the tax base draw more money from it? We can point to past injustices that need to be righted through financial compensation, but what is that dollar amount? Can there be satisfactory agreement on it? Some say that too much has been spent, others say not enough.

Having an indigenous PM would be a great milestone for the country, but obviously the candidate has to be very competent. Raybould seemed to flub her portfolio, which raises the question of why she was appointed in the first place. Was it tokenism, trying to get more women or indigenous into cabinet, even if it meant overlooking other weaknesses? I don’t pretend to know the answers to these questions. I do think it’s worth considering that maybe Raybould wasn’t very effective in her position, period, and SNC is a trumped up scandal, pun intended.

Edited February 12, 2019 by Zeitgeist

eyeball · February 12, 2019

1 hour ago, Rue said:

I also think people need to take a long hard look at this elitist privileged snot Lord Justin of True-dough and toss him out on his ass next election.

Now you're ignoring the point rue.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

37 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

....Having an indigenous PM would be a great milestone for the country, but obviously the candidate has to be very competent. Raybould seemed to flub her portfolio, which raises the question of why she was appointed in the first place. Was it tokenism, trying to get more women or indigenous into cabinet, even if it meant overlooking other weaknesses? I don’t pretend to know the answers to these questions. I do think it’s worth considering that maybe Raybould wasn’t very effective in her position, period, and SNC is a trumped up scandal, pun intended.

If that be the case, then what does it say about the presumed qualifications of the person who appointed her in the first place? The Trudeau influence on "aboriginals" has a history that includes many negative policies and outcomes with the usual Liberal shuck and jive.

The best part about this fiasco is just how much the Chinese must be laughing their asses off about the "rule of law" in Canada.

Dougie93 · February 12, 2019

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The best part about this fiasco is just how much the Chinese must be laughing their asses off about the "rule of law" in Canada.

The difference being that Trudeau has no influence over the American prosecutor in the Meng Wanzhou case. It's not Canada who is prosecuting, and he doesn't have any cronies in America.

eyeball · February 12, 2019

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The best part about this fiasco is just how much the Chinese must be laughing their asses off about the "rule of law" in Canada.

I certainly wouldn't want to be a Canadian hostage in China right now.

Zeitgeist · February 12, 2019

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If that be the case, then what does it say about the presumed qualifications of the person who appointed her in the first place? The Trudeau influence on "aboriginals" has a history that includes many negative policies and outcomes with the usual Liberal shuck and jive.

The best part about this fiasco is just how much the Chinese must be laughing their asses off about the "rule of law" in Canada.

Well the government has tried to stay out of the Huawei extradition affair, not that it really can, to the extent of firing McCallum, who was just voicing what most people are thinking. Nevertheless China continues to unfairly detain and mistreat Canadians in retaliation. The US is pressuring Canada to uphold its rather partisan sanction policies on Iran. Hard to be a Boy Scout in all of this. I don’t think Trudeau is doing too badly. There’s no blatant political bargaining interference with a judicial process, which is what Trump attempted to insert.

Edited February 12, 2019 by Zeitgeist

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

The difference being that Trudeau has no influence over the American prosecutor in the Meng Wanzhou case. It's not Canada who is prosecuting, and he doesn't have any cronies in America.

But it is Canada holding extradition hearings and it is Canada that is detaining a Chinese national because.... "rule of law".

Perhaps Meng should have been on the SNC board for a bit of inside juice.

Zeitgeist · February 12, 2019

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

But it is Canada holding extradition hearings and it is Canada that is detaining a Chinese national because.... "rule of law".

Perhaps Meng should have been on the SNC board for a bit of inside juice.

There hasn’t been any proven inside justice in Canada on either matter, whereas Trump boasted about political interference as a trade negotiating tactic.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

IMHO, Trudeau would have been far better off cutting a deal with China for a "prisoner swap" than to be caught with even the appearance of SNC obstruction of justice.

Most Canadian voters would understand the situation and reward action to repatriate Canadian nationals in the face of bad choices and circumstances.

Dougie93 · February 12, 2019

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

But it is Canada holding extradition hearings and it is Canada that is detaining a Chinese national because.... "rule of law".

Perhaps Meng should have been on the SNC board for a bit of inside juice.

Perhaps the Americans should indict SNC.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Perhaps the Americans should indict SNC.

SNC would prefer American style fines and settlements for billions of dollars.

Dougie93 · February 12, 2019

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

SNC would prefer American style fines and settlements for billions of dollars.

Meh, SNC is real shady, an American court would probably perp walk people for RICO. Particularly as it is a Canadian based company. SNC is just like Hauwei in effect.

eyeball · February 12, 2019

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

SNC would prefer American style fines and settlements for billions of dollars.

I suspect America would be proud to have SNC as a native son.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Meh, SNC is real shady, an American court would probably perp walk people for RICO. Particularly as it is a Canadian based company. SNC is just like Hauwei in effect.

We all know that SNC-Lavalin is shady...that's a given. Canada wants to have its own Halliburton too. What Canada lacks is its own Dick Cheney.

DogOnPorch · February 12, 2019

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

We all know that SNC-Lavalin is shady...that's a given. Canada wants to have its own Halliburton too. What Canada lacks is its own Dick Cheney.

Oooo...oooo...pick me!

I'm handy with a shotgun.

Zeitgeist · February 12, 2019

23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

IMHO, Trudeau would have been far better off cutting a deal with China for a "prisoner swap" than to be caught with even the appearance of SNC obstruction of justice.

Most Canadian voters would understand the situation and reward action to repatriate Canadian nationals in the face of bad choices and circumstances.

So you’re raising an important question at the heart of the matter: What should be up for negotiation? At what point is a judicial process, an extradition trial, compromised by political interference? At some point is it right to politicize it? A state governor can remove a death sentence. A law was introduced to offer companies like SNC a financial penalty for offshore corruption charges rather than a 10 year suspension from doing business. This is principles versus economics, but maybe it’s really about rule of law versus spirit of law. We want legal penalties and application of the law as long as it isn’t draconian. I think the bottom line is that SNC should be able to continue to do business, with penalties; Meng, if extradited and found guilty, should probably only have to be excluded from doing business in the US (along with her company) and perhaps only for a finite period. I’m not sure what sentence options there are for her. I also think that Canada should add clauses to extradition treaties that relate to unique pieces of trade legislation. Should a government be able to ambush someone with extradition over such trade policies? Perhaps Canada and the US should have the rights in these treaties to inform foreign nationals of the charges in advance, before they land at an airport. Skip the extradition altogether and let the US settle the matter directly with China as a trade dispute. I’m not sure. I know the fraud charges complicate that.

Edited February 12, 2019 by Zeitgeist

Dougie93 · February 12, 2019

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

We all know that SNC-Lavalin is shady...that's a given. Canada wants to have its own Halliburton too. What Canada lacks is its own Dick Cheney.

Gerry Butts is performing that role, Butts is Vice, Zoolander is Bush.

DogOnPorch · February 12, 2019

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Gerry Butts is performing that role, Butts is Vice, Zoolander is Bush.

I'm all for providing Butts a shotgun and a duck hunting trip with you-know-who.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So you’re raising an important question at the heart of the matter: What should be up for negotiation? At what point is a judicial process, an extradition trial, comprised by political interference? At some point is it right to politicize it?

It is already politicized to begin with, with Canada exacting its own pious exceptions for extradition. Trudeau has painted himself into a corner and now there is a price to pay for his alleged interference on SNC.

Not to worry though...this is Canada...so it's not like anybody is actually going to do hard time, even for proven ethics violations.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Gerry Butts is performing that role, Butts is Vice, Zoolander is Bush.

Butts couldn't even lift Cheney's jock strap.

Dougie93 · February 12, 2019

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Butts couldn't even lift Cheney's jock strap.

Meh, I was with Cheney back in 91", I don't know what the heck he was thinking, overruling himself to go all the way to Baghdad.

bush_cheney2004 · February 12, 2019

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Meh, I was with Cheney back in 91", I don't know what the heck he was thinking, overruling himself to go all the way to Baghdad.

Well, you sure as hell wasn't with Butts.

DogOnPorch · February 12, 2019

The optics are likely reality with this one...corruption laid bare.

I'm sure the Conservatives are going to push it come fall. And why not? If you're going to be self-serving crooks in Ottawa...learn to hide your crimes. Stupid Liberals...

eyeball · February 12, 2019

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The optics are likely reality with this one...corruption laid bare.

I'm sure the Conservatives are going to push it come fall. And why not? If you're going to be self-serving crooks in Ottawa...learn to hide your crimes. Stupid Liberals...

Are Conservatives better at this sort of thing?

taxme · February 12, 2019

On 2/11/2019 at 12:50 PM, Hates politicians said:

Like you I care. I vote none of the above because they're all scum. Unfortunately I cannot convince enough people to follow suit. Their needs to be ballot boxes full of blank ballots so that these criminals get the message they're not wanted. Then people have to grow a spine and be willing to take to the streets same as they are doing around the world.

Scum is putting it mildly. Most Canadians appear to only take an interest about politics on election day and ask themselves who should I vote for today. Will it be teewdle-dee or tweedle-dumb. Who talks my talk and who is going to look after only my interests. After they vote they go back to business as usual and forget all about politics. It's unfortunate that our Canadian politicians have created this atmosphere of apathy and non interest about politics. Canadian politics is as boring as watching paint dry. They all repeat the same old bull shit every day that no one really gives a crap about.

I was watching Trump at a rally in El Paso, Texas last night and there were tens of thousands of supporters there to greet Trump inside the stadium. Contrast that to when our politicians attend a rally. They are lucky if they can get a hundred out to their rally. Our politicians are totally boring to listen too compared to when one listens to Trump talk. Enthusiasm is everywhere at the rally. Lineups of people have to stand outside who could not get in to watch Trump speak on big outdoor screens. When did we ever see that happen in Canada.

If in the next election no one voted for anyone then trudeau would probably win by default. The only time that I see Canadians taking to the streets is when some old tree has been cut down or a bunch get together for a tree planting ceremony. Trudeau should get his ass kicked out in the next election but will he? Canadians scare me a hell of a lot. They are fickle and can be easily swayed by some offer by trudeau to vote him back in. It's the millennials also that scare the hell out of me. They appear to like social media, liberalism, socialism and communism and their cellphones. The majority of them are clueless about politics as far as I am concerned. Just saying.