Should Canada suspend relations with China?

[Dougie93]

And that's another reason the market is value added, in that it is fun, because you can actually leverage market force and join virtual armies which can go around the world breaking things they don't like or simply toppling over things which they don't like which are already broken.

I mean, in the Information Age you can have your cake and eat it too, because you have tethered tax jurisdiction, then you can have your Westphalian national security country, but then you can go join any other virtual financial country as you like as per your own principles.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Otherwise known as the purpose of a free market is to simply find the price of things free of the crippling effect of ideological baggage, and as a result nanny police state government attempts to control prices are not only pointless in the face of a global market, but also simply mischief to no good purpose.

That’s why people fled nanny police states like the Soviet Union and why they flock to free market democracies, including Canada.  Don’t forget that the biggest “nanny” government bailout of private business came from the US post-2008 meltdown.  They had no choice.  There are times when governments have to ensure economic stability.  That’s also why we have central banks.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s why people fled nanny police states like the Soviet Union and why they flock to free market democracies, including Canada.  Don’t forget that the biggest “nanny” government bailout of private business came from the US post-2008 meltdown.  They had no choice.  There are times when governments have to ensure economic stability.  That’s also why we have central banks.  

And why they flee Canada in the same way for the same reason, otherwise known as the Brain Drain, which is exponentially more people than ever fled the Soviet Union.  

I mean, I was there, and there were not that many people lined up for jumping over from Ivan's side of the trace, so the East German Volkspolizei actually didn't have much to do, they just watched us with their high powered binos.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

And the reason of course was, that most Soviets were the same as Canadians are now, in that they clung to their nanny socialist welfare gulag tenaciously in the face of the markets, as they had also been indoctrinated to do since birth by the Bolsheviks.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

And why they flee Canada in the same way for the same reason, otherwise known as the Brain Drain, which is exponentially more people than ever fled the Soviet Union.  

I mean, I was there, and there were not that many people lined up for jumping over from Ivan's side of the trace, so the East German Volkspolizei actually didn't have much to do, they just watched us with their high powered binos.

Brain drain was a short lived phenomenon during Canada’s early 90’s recession.  We’re still attracting international talent in the wake of Trump’s partial Muslim ban.  

[Dougie93]

As contrary to popular myth, the Soviet Union and associated Warsaw Pact was not brought down by military force nor internal insurrection.

It was brought down by market force.

In that the price of oil was driven back down to its stable $20/barrel constant dollar price.

The Soviets were actually totally reliant on selling commodities to acquire US dollars to fund their nanny socialist welfare gulag Potemkin Village.

When the oil price retreated they simply ran out of US dollars needed.

And by this mechanism the Canadian soviet state will ultimately be brought down as well, so prepare yourselves accordingly.

[Dougie93]

The best way to prepare yourselves is to divest yourself entirely of "Canada", use your sub-sovereign jurisdiction where you live simply as a tethered tax jurisdiction, and then come in on winning side by joining us out here in the land of the free market, under the protection of the light of civilization and associated Declaration of Independence preamble.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

And thus is the way to be a UKUSSAN, in that rather than defending and upholding  "Canada" which is not actually a binding agreement, you simply elevate yourself as an invidual sovereign, king of yourself in effect, and then defend and uphold your actual country in Westphalian terms by the central narrative of your history, which is the Anglo-American Empire of Liberty, Team Windsor, which is actually your birthright, as you were actually born in the House of Windsor, Canada is just a parasite which uses that against you be asserting itself to be your sovereign when in fact Elizabeth Windsor is your sovereign, not the federal government of Canada, which is rather a fake country.

[Dougie93]

And again, you don't need to move to the United Kingdom, the physical land you are owning here in North America is not owned by "Canada", it is free hold leased to you by the actual owner, who is Elizabeth Windsor.   You are paying your taxes to your province to upkeep it in her name, the federal government, again, an illegitimate parasite sucking the life out of you, by convincing you that it and you are the same and so you can't live without them.   Which is not the case.

Edited January 17, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind, there's no onus for you to get off your land and go live somewhere else, because this land is claimed for by Elizabeth Windsor, and I my case I also have ancestral claim to it predating Confederation, at Nova Scotia in 1757 and Upper Canada in 1789 by the two founding families which came together to become my family.

[Dougie93]

People these days like to assert the term Old Stock Canadian?  Very well then, we are so old stock that we were Canadian before there was a Canada, and so never actually came here to defend and uphold a nanny socialist fake jobs corporate welfare gulag masquerading as a government, we came here to defend and uphold the British Crown and associated Parliamentary Supremacy in North America, which does and will carry on without "Canada" regardless.

[eyeball]

Canada should be suspending relations with both the US and Chinese governments for the same reason - they're both a couple of shit-disturbing trouble-makers.  Unfortunately the US is our closest ally and friend so I guess we have no choice but to have their back.

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Canada abetting Washington's 'new Cold War' with Huawei arrest, says economist

"You have a neighbour to the south that is quite erratic ... a little bit unhinged at China's rise in power," Sachs told CBC from Warsaw, Poland.

"This is a pretty well-known American approach to use its power to try and break the economic momentum of a rival, and I think it's very, very bad behaviour and very dangerous, actually, for the world to have a new Cold War," he added. 

"This is the U.S. Cold War mentality being replayed ... the U.S. just doesn't want any rivals anywhere."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-us-huawei-arrest-international-trade-cold-war-jeffrey-sachs-1.4947966

 

 

There's a good reason friends don't let friends drive drunk. Anyone else think the fundamental reason why should apply here for the same reason?

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Canada should be suspending relations with both the US and Chinese governments for the same reason - they're both a couple of shit-disturbing trouble-makers.  Unfortunately the US is our closest ally and friend so I guess we have no choice but to have their back.

 

There's a good reason friends don't let friends drive drunk. Anyone else think the fundamental reason why should apply here for the same reason?

It is actually America which has your back, because they are driving a wedge between your government and China, in order to contain China, which is good for them, but since they are the ones defending you and propping your nanny socialist corporate welfare fake jobs economy up, good for you by extension.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It is actually America which has your back, because they are driving a wedge between your government and China, in order to contain China, which is good for them, but since they are the ones defending you and propping your nanny socialist corporate welfare fake jobs economy up, good for you by extension.

How is the US protecting us?  Okay Pompeo did speak out, but the detentions continue.  I’m curious to see if the US means what it says with its claims against Meng.  Also, remove the fucking steel and aluminum tariffs, which have raised the price of all big ticket items containing steel on both sides of the border, including autos. 

[Dougie93]

America is protecting the entire world from the onset of totalitarian collectivist authoritarian despotic regime retrenchment, particularly the Western World.

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

America is protecting the entire world from the onset of totalitarian collectivist authoritarian despotic regime retrenchment, particularly the Western World.

 

I’d like to believe that, but I think Trump has created more problems than he’s solved.  Obama was better for America and the world.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’d like to believe that, but I think Trump has created more problems than he’s solved.  Obama was better for America and the world.  

Trump is not the one doing it,  the Constitution and associated Declaration of Independence preamble is doing it, by inspiring millions to defend and uphold it.

Trump is another thing, creative destruction of a fundamentally gridlocked status quo by peaceful transfer of power by way of the electoral college.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[Argus]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’d like to believe that, but I think Trump has created more problems than he’s solved.  Obama was better for America and the world.  

I agree. But you're setting the bar pretty damn low. Obama was hopeless too. Just not stupid hopeless.

[Dougie93]

Trumps purpose being first and foremost to solve the problem of the SCOTUS War, which, with a Gorsuch to replace Scalia and a Kavanaugh to replace Kennedy, is mission accomplished already.   Taking RBG down would simply be the cherry on top.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’d like to believe that, but I think Trump has created more problems than he’s solved.  Obama was better for America and the world.  

 

Sure...Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize, and then promptly began bombing even more people.

Americans do not elect presidents for "the world"...good grief.

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I agree. But you're setting the bar pretty damn low. Obama was hopeless too. Just not stupid hopeless.

Oh yes, Obama was smart hopeless. Orange man bad

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure...Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize, and then promptly began bombing even more people.

Americans do not elect presidents for "the world"...good grief.

More significantly Obama blew his wad on Obamacare and then was a de facto lame duck pretty much for the next six years, having spent all his political capital on one thing.

[Dougie93]

The resulting sad and failing gridlock,  inciting the Donald J. Trump creative destruction blast penetration device,  to break the logjam and take the SCOTUS

[turningrite]

On 1/17/2019 at 1:06 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

The world has no need of Canada. The world likes cheap consumer and electronic goods, the Chinese economy is far more important to the world than Canada's economy. China has plenty of friends and allies, everyone likes China, because no one who isn't living in China gives a shit about their repressive government, because that government isn't repressing them, it's repressing foreigners, but the money China makes them, that they do give a shit about, and China makes the world more money than Canada does.

I'm not talking about the moral high ground here, that means nothing, the only thing the world cares about is the financial high ground, morality comes after. For you to pretend like a $1.6 trillion GDP economy is more important to the world than a $12.2 trillion GDP economy is laughable, they are six times the size, they dwarf Canada. Get in a trade war with an economy that dwarfs your own, and you are going to get your ass handed to you, not the other way around. 
 

China has played its hand very badly in its dispute with Canada. The rest of the Western world, and its allies, are now on notice that China is not a reliable or palatable partner. The West could pretty much wall itself off from China economically if it wished to do so. There are many other countries in the developing world, like India, Indonesia, Vietnam and Ethiopia, with cheap and abundant labor, which has been China's main trade advantage over the past few decades. The West could even entice some of the world's developing countries to avoid developing deeper relationships with China by means of pacts like the TPP that were/are intended to thwart China's mercantile ambitions. China may not and probably doesn't need Canada, but it needs the West, and it seems to have horribly misjudged its strengths and weaknesses with its bizarre strategy of applying unwarranted pressure against a Western country it perhaps accurately views as being run by a weak and servile government. The problem for China is that it's teaching not just Canada but the world why it can't and shouldn't be trusted.

[Dougie93]

What he is saying tho, is that most of us only do business with China through American companies who are at the NYSE and NASDAQ in Manhattan, and so take profits in US dollars under US jurisdiction and so protected from the Chinese.  For example AAPL in Cupetino contracts to Foxconn at Taipei, who then have subsidiary on the mainland.

But you takes your profits from that activity in China, in US dollars at New York, so China only matters as it matters to Chimerica, ergo what the Chinese are doing to people in China, is of no particular concern to the American Hegemonic market.