The treatment of our Vets

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Anyways tomorrow, give our military some thought , give our vets some thought....ask what ever god you pray to bless them , to look after those that have gone and paid the ultimate price for these nation...Raise a glass of beer to them and tell them we will not forget them...

And let us all pray that there will be no more Canadians joining the military anymore in Canada and let us all stop anymore Canadians from being injured or killed for the globalist elite and their created wars. Without soldiers there will never be any wars. If Switzerland can remain neutral so can Canada do the same thing also. My opinion. 

[GostHacked]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Even you have said that at the start of this Afghanistan mission there was an over whelming majority of Canadians that supported our nation taking on a combat mission....If you really want a source I'll get you one, I just thought we could agree on that point.

No I think we can agree on that one, but again easy to sway people into supporting a war after the events on 9/11 in the USA.

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

The CDS at the time had explained all of this to the PM that our nations military was not ready for this mission, why it was not ready, well it's condition of it's equipment, the level of our training , the resources given to the military at the time were not enough, the list goes on and on...this was before the mission, during the mission, and finally after the mission it only got worse....

So how do you blame the citizens for the lack of a readiness state from the Military?

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

We have already established that both governments liberal and Conservative did a shitty job at providing the resources needed to accomplish our goals, So the government carries a huge load of the blame for that failure.....next with out the citizens backing to push the government into action, it became a huge political gain for the governments of the day, see look what we are doing, we are carrying more than our weight, for very little investment.... for the size of our military....."how many times did you hear that"  Back on point, the citizens of this nation also bare a share of that failure load....for not pushing our government into action....

There we go, about time you can admit to it. And the public did NOT push the government into action regarding Afghanistan, that decision was already made because of our NATO commitments.  Plain and simple

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

That is Bullshit....our present form of government does not take a shit without seeing if that would be popular in the polls, everything they do is driven by one objective, to get re elected period...

And they will say anything to get you to elect them.

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Here is an example how does a inmate convicted of murder , then get sent to a healing lodge to do her time in a fenceless prison facility,  But when word hits the public there is a huge cry for justice, a cry from the Canadian people....this murder is now back in general population in a prison....these actions by the people is what sparked our government to act....Had there been no outrage, she would still be there , feet up drinking wine at the fire......this is just one example of how much power we the people have and all me have to do is use it....it is really that easy....So you ask why do I continually blame the people of Canada for their part in the  failure in Afghanistan. because for 10 years they were silent , for 10 years they chose to ignore our military begging for help....for 10 years they sat in silence as we came home one at a time in coffin draped coffins...

And for 10 years we've been telling the government to get our troops OUT of Afghanistan. Which citizens are they listening to?

 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

No I think we can agree on that one, but again easy to sway people into supporting a war after the events on 9/11 in the USA.

So how do you blame the citizens for the lack of a readiness state from the Military?

There we go, about time you can admit to it. And the public did NOT push the government into action regarding Afghanistan, that decision was already made because of our NATO commitments.  Plain and simple

And they will say anything to get you to elect them.

And for 10 years we've been telling the government to get our troops OUT of Afghanistan. Which citizens are they listening to?

 

They dam well were not listening to tens of thousands of Canadians like me. Before any country can send troops into combat it should be made law that the people must be asked first as to whether they want to enter some globalist elite created war or not. Not that is what I call democracy.  

Just kidding. We know dam well that our puppet on a string politicians will never support such an idea as that. What?  Give we the people the right to have a say? Screw that idea fast. I am pretty sure that we the Canadian people would prefer to not get involved in any war. The billions blown on wars could be better spent on trying to help maintain and support everything that is needed and required in order to run a country.  I would prefer to see tax dollars being spent on space exploration and technology rather than on wars. It would be a lot more interesting indeed and millions of people would not have to suffer from injury or death. It's the globalist bankster family elites that make all of our lives miserable and make plenty of money from wars to boot. It's wakey-wakey time.  

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 7:53 PM, taxme said:

Without soldiers there will never be any wars. If Switzerland can remain neutral so can Canada do the same thing also. My opinion. 

You never fail to amaze me with your lack of logic.

To start with the world is full of soldiers, the majority who have not started or engage in wars.

Next, soldiers do not start or end wars, politicians do.

Next Switzerland has been the site for stolen money from corrupt dictators and tyrants who start wars. Switzerland has in fact enabled the financing of wars. Switzerland's banks are full of money stolen in wars.

Taxme just once, once, give it a thought before you write.

You would not write what you do if you were not privileged and an elitist yourself.

Yoy would be the first demanding a person in military uniform come rescue you in times of trouble.

I thank Army Guy and everyone past, present or in the future who does service for this nation. Thank you.

To Army Guy and the rest of you vets, all I can do to show respect is silence. No words can say it.

Now back to Army Guy, yah I know its not easy listening to Trudeau sound all solemn and sanctimonious when he has done so little for vets. It's what he is.

Next I think  though at least Trudeau has manners. I hate his politics but he has manners. He carries himself at such ceremonies with proper deference.

Imagine though being American. The President of the US did not show  up at the service for his own vets because it was "raining". Trump never ceases to lower himself to the lowest form of life. How a an can be so void of decency and absolutely desecrate the memory of his vets let alone POTUS is beyond the pale.

If anyone things Trump is a conservative you would be dead wrong. Conservatives believe in tradition and ceremonies. Trump ridicules and mocks them. Trump is a classic fascist if there ever was one. If the ceremony does not evolve around worshipping him, he ridicules it. Even the memory of sacrifice of soldiers is such a threat to his fragile ego he won't defer to that memory.

Edited November 12, 2018 by Rue

[cannuck]

41 minutes ago, Rue said:

 

If anyone things Trump is a conservative you would be dead wrong. Conservatives believe in tradition and ceremonies. Trump ridicules and mocks them. Trump is a classic fascist if there ever was one. If the ceremony does not evolve around worshipping him, he ridicules it. Even the memory of sacrifice of soldiers is such a threat to his fragile ego he won't defer to that memory.

That is an astute and accurate observation.  However: in a country that has drifted a bit left but mostly has lost the focus on how to create wealth (replacing it with Casino Capitalism)  he was the only alternative to going further down the wrong road(s).  While he may be a genuine asshole, he has opened up debate on subjects that have always been there, but have been totally ignored by both parts of the Uniparty.

[taxme]

6 hours ago, Rue said:

You never fail to amaze me with your lack of logic.

To start with the world is full of soldiers, the majority who have not started or engage in wars.

Next, soldiers do not start or end wars, politicians do.

Next Switzerland has been the site for stolen money from corrupt dictators and tyrants who start wars. Switzerland has in fact enabled the financing of wars. Switzerland's banks are full of money stolen in wars.

Taxme just once, once, give it a thought before you write.

You would not write what you do if you were not privileged and an elitist yourself.

Yoy would be the first demanding a person in military uniform come rescue you in times of trouble.

I thank Army Guy and everyone past, present or in the future who does service for this nation. Thank you.

To Army Guy and the rest of you vets, all I can do to show respect is silence. No words can say it.

Now back to Army Guy, yah I know its not easy listening to Trudeau sound all solemn and sanctimonious when he has done so little for vets. It's what he is.

Next I think  though at least Trudeau has manners. I hate his politics but he has manners. He carries himself at such ceremonies with proper deference.

Imagine though being American. The President of the US did not show  up at the service for his own vets because it was "raining". Trump never ceases to lower himself to the lowest form of life. How a an can be so void of decency and absolutely desecrate the memory of his vets let alone POTUS is beyond the pale.

If anyone things Trump is a conservative you would be dead wrong. Conservatives believe in tradition and ceremonies. Trump ridicules and mocks them. Trump is a classic fascist if there ever was one. If the ceremony does not evolve around worshipping him, he ridicules it. Even the memory of sacrifice of soldiers is such a threat to his fragile ego he won't defer to that memory.

There has to have been a good reason for Trump not showing up at any veterans day ceremony rather than because it was raining. That appears so odd to me. I have to give the benefit of the doubt to Trump. But if he did purposely avoid attending any ceremony then indeed I will have to agree with you that it was a very bad thing to have not attended any VD ceremony. That really does sadden me to hear that. I am in disbelief. 

I realize that just about every country has a military. All I was saying was that if all the countries of the world could get together and eliminate their military's there would finally be peace in the world. But I also know that the globalist bankster elite want all countries to have a military. They can then use those military's to attack and destroy anyone who dares to try and act on their own and not want to take orders from those globalists. True. Wars are not started by people. They are started by globalists who get their puppet on a string politicians to do the dirty work for them and send off citizen's to go fight for them by getting their people involved in a war that the globalist want so bad to happen and where those citizen's will go off to war and get injured or killed. Saddam and Quadaffi tried to ignore the globalists and look what happened to them and their countries. Both murdered, total chaos and millions killed thanks to that globalist warmongers. It is the real fault of the people who sign up and enter into the military. They are the losers and fools here who will be sacrificed and not the politicians or the globalists who they are fighting for. 

If I were an elitist than why am I against Canada having a military? I am for stopping all wars, not trying to help globalists to create more wars. Hello. 

Still Switzerland does not get involved in world wars and so should Canada. We can remain neutral if we the people said that this is what they want. Just my opinion of course. 

[taxme]

5 hours ago, cannuck said:

That is an astute and accurate observation.  However: in a country that has drifted a bit left but mostly has lost the focus on how to create wealth (replacing it with Casino Capitalism)  he was the only alternative to going further down the wrong road(s).  While he may be a genuine asshole, he has opened up debate on subjects that have always been there, but have been totally ignored by both parts of the Uniparty.

I agree with what you mostly said except for the part where you said that Trump is an asshole. Trump is a real leader and has done many good things for America. Has Trump started a war yet? Apparently not. If Hillary had become president rumors had it that she was ready and wanted to go to war with Russia. All politicians have some asshole in them. Even your own prime mistake of yours has many times made a complete asshole of himself. The only problem is that our Canadian leftist liberal media lets the kid off the hook. 

Trump is speaking for the many millions of Americans who actually do agree and support Trump and his so called "asshole" ways. I would rather have an "asshole" like Trump than an asshole like kid Trudeau. At least Trump calls it as it is something most Canadians are not use to hearing from their elected puppet on a string politicians. At least Trump is able to fight the swampster system as they cannot control him like they control our dear Canadian leaders. But hey. 

[cannuck]

5 minutes ago, taxme said:

I agree with what you mostly said except for the part where you said that Trump is an asshole. Trump is a real leader and has done many good things for America. Has Trump started a war yet? Apparently not. If Hillary had become president rumors had it that she was ready and wanted to go to war with Russia. All politicians have some asshole in them. Even your own prime mistake of yours has many times made a complete asshole of himself. The only problem is that our Canadian leftist liberal media lets the kid off the hook. 

Trump is speaking for the many millions of Americans who actually do agree and support Trump and his so called "asshole" ways. I would rather have an "asshole" like Trump than an asshole like kid Trudeau. At least Trump calls it as it is something most Canadians are not use to hearing from their elected puppet on a string politicians. At least Trump is able to fight the swampster system as they cannot control him like they control our dear Canadian leaders. But hey. 

I completely agree,  but that does not mean Trump is not an asshole on a personal level.

[taxme]

24 minutes ago, cannuck said:

I completely agree,  but that does not mean Trump is not an asshole on a personal level.

We have all been assholes at one time or another in our life. I have been called an asshole many times. Sometimes I think that I am starting to agree with it. I have even thought about inserting the word asshole in the middle with my other middle name. LOL. 

Edited November 12, 2018 by taxme

[cannuck]

37 minutes ago, taxme said:

We have all been assholes at one time or another in our life. I have been called an asshole many times. Sometimes I think that I am starting to agree with it. I have even thought about inserting the word asshole in the middle with my other middle name. LOL. 

You sound like my Brother from another Mother.

[PIK]

On 11/7/2018 at 7:15 PM, eyeball said:

C'mon Pik stop being such a moron.

Really, take a look at our own leader.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, PIK said:

Really, take a look at our own leader.

Yes he's definitely a moron too.

[Rue]

On 11/12/2018 at 3:52 PM, taxme said:

There has to have been a good reason for Trump not showing up at any veterans day ceremony rather than because it was raining. That appears so odd to me. I have to give the benefit of the doubt to Trump. But if he did purposely avoid attending any ceremony then indeed I will have to agree with you that it was a very bad thing to have not attended any VD ceremony. That really does sadden me to hear that. I am in disbelief. 

I realize that just about every country has a military. All I was saying was that if all the countries of the world could get together and eliminate their military's there would finally be peace in the world. But I also know that the globalist bankster elite want all countries to have a military. They can then use those military's to attack and destroy anyone who dares to try and act on their own and not want to take orders from those globalists. True. Wars are not started by people. They are started by globalists who get their puppet on a string politicians to do the dirty work for them and send off citizen's to go fight for them by getting their people involved in a war that the globalist want so bad to happen and where those citizen's will go off to war and get injured or killed. Saddam and Quadaffi tried to ignore the globalists and look what happened to them and their countries. Both murdered, total chaos and millions killed thanks to that globalist warmongers. It is the real fault of the people who sign up and enter into the military. They are the losers and fools here who will be sacrificed and not the politicians or the globalists who they are fighting for. 

If I were an elitist than why am I against Canada having a military? I am for stopping all wars, not trying to help globalists to create more wars. Hello. 

Still Switzerland does not get involved in world wars and so should Canada. We can remain neutral if we the people said that this is what they want. Just my opinion of course. 

Trump is ignorant. End of story.

Ok so powerful financial interests usually are who is behind these wars..

Instead of focusing on what you think you can not do or control try find out who is doing something and not sitting on  their ass whining like you.

 Your helplessness is self inflicted by you choosing to buy into the myth you are powerless.

The only thing that controls you is your own fear and hatred. It cripples you from seeing alternatives other than the world you feel trapped in.

Who needs an army to suppress people Ike you when you are only more than too happy to place yourself in your own self limiting jail.

 Oh look who is coming Your new bunk mate Bubba Abdul. Lol you better learn yoga fast.

 

Edited November 13, 2018 by Rue

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Trump is ignorant. End of story.

Ok so powerful financial interests usually are who is behind these wars..

Instead of focusing on what you think you can not do try find out who is doing something and not sitting on  their 

 Your helplessness is self influcted by you choosing to buy into the myth created by the very elite you whine about to get you angry and easily under their control by dividi ng and conquering you. You attack and think youbhate the vdery allies you need to ally with if this world ever chanves for the better.Anger and fear are what control you and turn you into a pawn to go out and spit on those making a difference. Look at you..You are petrified of Muslims, Jews, French Canadians, dirt poor migrants. Man they have you brainwashed. Who needs an army to suppress people when you are more than too happy to do that deed with civil strife.

Here's a hint your handlers like it when you wear riding jodphurs, high leather boots, tucked in pants up to your armpits, and the colour brown. 

Yes you boys love the  diagonal salute, goose step march, and burping on cue when your leader farts. How ritualistic of you..zeig heil fart.

Not sure why you think a silly haircut, mustache, and brown booties and jodphurs gives you confidence either. Then again stay away fro  that swastika speedo. Get rid of those hats, they emphasize how small your head is.

You guys need to learn to dance. Goose-stepping  is for people who get prostate biopsies or have been violated by big black men from the bottom bunk.

Yo might want to be a bit more flexible. Given wear you are heading.

Rue, I am having a very hard time understanding this post. The grammar and spelling are making this post really difficult to to follow.

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Rue said:

Trump is ignorant. End of story.

Ok so powerful financial interests usually are who is behind these wars..

Instead of focusing on what you think you can not do or control try find out who is doing something and not sitting on  their ass whining like you.

 Your helplessness is self inflicted by you choosing to buy into the myth you are powerless.

The only thing that controls you is your own fear and hatred. It cripples you from seeing alternatives other than the world you feel trapped in.

Who needs an army to suppress people Ike you when you are only more than too happy to place yourself in your own self limiting jail.

 Oh look who is coming Your new bunk mate Bubba Abdul. Lol you better learn yoga fast.

 

I was watching the Rebel and Ezra Levant the other day and he pretty much explained it all as to what really happened as to and why Trump could not attend a Paris veterans ceremony that had been set up for Trump to visit. Because of inclement weather he could not take an helicopter to the event as was planned and not because of the rain but because of heavy fog. As explained further by Ezra, a presidential motorcade could not be set up quickly enough in time because it would take at least several hours to do so and streets then would have to be closed off.. There was just not enough time to do anything. Mission impossible, But Trump was able to attend another alternative ceremony at some cemetery which the lying leftist liberal media did not mention on purpose. What a classless bunch of scum.

So, this is the real reason why Trump was unable to attend the original ceremony. It was not because of the rain as the lying leftist liberal fake media wants us all to believe but it was because of the fog which they purposely omitted. I am very thankful that we the people have access to the alternative media like The Rebel otherwise, I would have had to believe what you and the liars in the media said. 

You see Rue, you are the one that is being fed bull crap constantly by the leftist/liberal Zionist liars, that you appear to love so much, and the lying leftist actors and activists who are paid well to always look for some excuse to bash Trump even if they have to lie to do so. You are the one that falls for their myths. 

It is more like you have to fear the Bubba Abdul's of the world rather than me so much. The Abdul's have a problem with that ilk that you appear to support and who are able to get their lying fake and phony communist media to tell us all lies. Nice try Rue but it looks to me like you blew it again. Poor old emotional you. You never will get it. Trump is all for the veterans and is behind them 100%. Clear enough for you now? Over. 

[Army Guy]

On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 4:01 PM, GostHacked said:

No I think we can agree on that one, but again easy to sway people into supporting a war after the events on 9/11 in the USA.

 

Good, My point is, it does not matter how the majority of Canadians agreed that going to Afghanistan was a good move on out nations behalf...the point is that the majority did agree, and infact came out in the thousands to see us off, at 3 am....that is dedication to a decision....so my question is where was that dedication to get us out ? ....

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So how do you blame the citizens for the lack of a readiness state from the Military?

I think the citizens of Canada do own some of the issue that come with the state of our current military forces. there are thousands of examples of Canadian citizens getting off their asses and using their voices through the countless forms of media to drive home the point that "they" want things to change. And our current form of government knows that they must bend or change something if they want to get re elected....look at how fast that female killer was placed back behind bars....there are thousands of other examples of Canadians using their voice to make changes happen in this country....

There was at one time an unwritten rule, long since forgotten it seems by todays citizens that Soldiers would answer any call from our country, that they would gladly place their lives in the hands of it's citizens...our citizens would ensure that we would provide modern equipment to our forces so that they stood a fighting chance against our nations enemies....and that you would  look after our families while we were deployed, or and finally you would look after us if we came back home wounded, or in pieces, be it physical or mentally, you would also look after our families if we did not come home.....in essence you would "always have our backs"

They only promise that Canadians have kept so far is looking after our families if we did not come home, this happened during op Medusa when several soldiers had died in attacks, and one of the major banks here in Canada, decided to foreclose on a dead soldiers mortgage, refusing to pay out insurance because he died in a war zone....the wife and kids were told to hit the streets....It was here that Canadians stood up and in huge numbers told the banks this is not right....days later massive changes across all the banks in Canada made it possible for wives of our dead soldiers to at least have a home to stay in , paid in full by the changed insurance  policies...and while not government related...the people spoke...You had our backs ...

Now I can list a few more instances where national outcry did produce the purchase of desert cam fatigues, new jeeps, a few arty pieces, etc ....but only after countless soldiers had already died, only then did the citizens stand up and yell bullshit, forcing the government to take action....and the government listened...and small purchases were made...

I don't know how else to explain it , with out your support and your voice our military will not change, nor will our vets be treated any differently....and if you chose not to support via your voice then you condone the governments course of action or thats the way our government reads it. So that by not acting  your decision is by default and you  share in that decision , and own all the consequences that come from that. 

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We have already established that both governments liberal and Conservative did a shitty job at providing the resources needed to accomplish our goals, So the government carries a huge load of the blame for that failure.....next with out the citizens backing to push the government into action, it became a huge political gain for the governments of the day, see look what we are doing, we are carrying more than our weight, for very little investment.... for the size of our military....."how many times did you hear that"  Back on point, the citizens of this nation also bare a share of that failure load....for not pushing our government into action.... 

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There we go, about time you can admit to it. And the public did NOT push the government into action regarding Afghanistan, that decision was already made because of our NATO commitments.  Plain and simple

I was implying that both the governments (liberal and Cons) did a shitty job in providing DND with the resources it needed to accomplish the job  it had gave them....Next our own citizens did not push our government into action....we allowed them to go onto all the media outlets and brag how we are punching above our weight class , that we are pulling more than our weight, and in the coming weeks citizens would find out we had no desert camouflage uniforms or equipment....we were using open air jeeps to patrol downtown Kabul, and when soldiers started to come home in bags thats when the citizens rose up and said something....not before ,like I said already without your total support we die on the vine.... 

How can we on one hand say that we did not go to Iraq because it was not very popular with the people and then on the other say the people had no say in Afghanistan....Yes it was agreed by our government to support the NATO request, but to say that the people had no say in the Afghan conflict is bullshit...remember all the hoopla , parades , sending the troops off in the wee hours of the morning with thousands of citizens lining the streets...The people supported it....just not spending any money on it...

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And for 10 years we've been telling the government to get our troops OUT of Afghanistan. Which citizens are they listening to?

They did listen....when your voices became loud enough and that was not until year 6 or 8, up until then nobody cared....except the soldiers getting blown up....You forgotten us in that dust bowl ...and if we wanted something done we had to do it ourselves….we built hospitals, firehalls, bought fire trucks ambulances, built schools through our own pockets or corporate sponsorship....ya all that hearts and minds stuff normally came from soldiers pockets....Now picture this if you will Canadian soldiers watching the Canadian news a day late because it was flown in....most of the topics in the mess hall where how could our own citizens forgotten us, how this was no longer a Canadian mission ….but a Canadian military mission, with no support from home or very little ....And then our own citizens question why the attitude , it is not our fault , we have no say or pull with the government...BS ...Try just for one day being a soldier with no support from anybody....

 

[Army Guy]

On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 4:52 PM, taxme said:

There has to have been a good reason for Trump not showing up at any veterans day ceremony rather than because it was raining. That appears so odd to me. I have to give the benefit of the doubt to Trump. But if he did purposely avoid attending any ceremony then indeed I will have to agree with you that it was a very bad thing to have not attended any VD ceremony. That really does sadden me to hear that. I am in disbelief. 

I realize that just about every country has a military. All I was saying was that if all the countries of the world could get together and eliminate their military's there would finally be peace in the world. But I also know that the globalist bankster elite want all countries to have a military. They can then use those military's to attack and destroy anyone who dares to try and act on their own and not want to take orders from those globalists. True. Wars are not started by people. They are started by globalists who get their puppet on a string politicians to do the dirty work for them and send off citizen's to go fight for them by getting their people involved in a war that the globalist want so bad to happen and where those citizen's will go off to war and get injured or killed. Saddam and Quadaffi tried to ignore the globalists and look what happened to them and their countries. Both murdered, total chaos and millions killed thanks to that globalist warmongers. It is the real fault of the people who sign up and enter into the military. They are the losers and fools here who will be sacrificed and not the politicians or the globalists who they are fighting for. 

If I were an elitist than why am I against Canada having a military? I am for stopping all wars, not trying to help globalists to create more wars. Hello. 

Still Switzerland does not get involved in world wars and so should Canada. We can remain neutral if we the people said that this is what they want. Just my opinion of course. 

The swiss also have a massive army, one that is well financed and equipped....it also has a huge military industrial complex....and every male serves in the military , in one form or another until the age of 55....

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Army Guy said:

The swiss ....

I got shit on pretty good for suggesting we should be more Swiss-like in our approach to how we should militarize our defense. There was some mention of ripping off Jews that got thrown in my face.

BTW, has the Swiss government ever sent it's military on adventures half way around the planet without holding a referendum? And I mean something comparable to the Afghanistan mission.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Good, My point is, it does not matter how the majority of Canadians agreed that going to Afghanistan was a good move on out nations behalf...the point is that the majority did agree, and infact came out in the thousands to see us off, at 3 am....that is dedication to a decision....so my question is where was that dedication to get us out ? ...

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rallies-in-canada-and-u-s-protest-iraq-war-afghan-mission-1.649135

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Thousands of demonstrators across Canada and the United States held rallies on Saturday to protestthe fourth anniversary next week of the U.S.-led war inIraq.

The Canadian marches also took aim at the country's mission in Afghanistan.

 

Raymond Legault, a Montreal protest organizer, said he believes the anti-war movement in Canada will eventually succeed in convincing the federal government to pull Canadian troops out of Afghanistan.

"It's a long-term struggle unfortunately, and this is just one more step in that struggle," he said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2014)

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On Saturday October 28, 2006, thousands of protesters opposed to Canada's participation in the war in Afghanistan rallied in 40 cities and towns. Under the slogan "Support our troops, bring 'em home", as many as 500 demonstrators marched through downtown Ottawa to Parliament Hill to protest the military mission and demand the return of Canadian troops. Hundreds of protesters in Toronto and Montreal, 200 in Halifax, 100 in Edmonton, more than a 100 in Calgary, and more than 500 in Vancouver also took to the streets. Themes of the demonstrations included demands that the troops be brought home from Afghanistan and demands that the mission of the Canadian Forces in that country shift from a combat role to a peace keeping and humanitarian presence. Placards expressed such sentiments as "Build Homes Not Bombs," "Drop Tuition Not Bombs" and "Is This Really Peacekeeping". A total of 42 Canadian soldiers and one diplomat had so far been killed in Afghanistan.^[19]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/anti-war-activists-hold-peace-rallies-across-canada-1.261852

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Public opinion polling has found that most Canadians oppose Canada's military role in Afghanistan.

The Liberals and Bloc Quebecois would like to see Canada's combat role end after 2009, while NDP Leader Jack Layton wants Canada's military operations to end now.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/protesters-hold-rally-at-parade-to-honour-troops-1.245996

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Activists holding coffins and wearing masks protested the Afghanistan mission on Friday, during a military parade in Quebec City to honour soldiers heading for the war-torn country.

Members of the War on War Coalition said they were criticizing the mission but not the troops, who were members of the Royal 22nd Regiment, popularly known as the Van Doos.

The soldiers, expecting the protest, tried to confuse the activists by marching in the opposite direction as the parade began. But the activists soon caught up.

"We want to tell people that we are against sending our troops to Afghanistan, because this war is unjustified," Mathilde Forest-Riviere, spokesperson for the War on War Coalition, told CTV Newsnet.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/most-canadians-oppose-afghanistan-mission-poll-1.249224

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Only seven per cent of Canadians strongly support the Afghanistan mission, while the total number of those opposed in Quebec remains high at 75 per cent, according to a new poll by The Strategic Counsel.

The survey, conducted between July 12-16 for CTV and The Globe and Mail, suggests the level of intensity for Canadians strongly opposed to the mission is far greater than those who are in firm support: (percentage point change from a July 12-15, 2006 poll in brackets):

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/protests-across-canada-denounce-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/article20394746/

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Four years after American forces invaded Iraq, hundreds of anti-war protesters took to the streets across Canada on Saturday to denounce both the Iraqi conflict and the Canadian mission in Afghanistan.

Demonstrations were planned in cities across the country, including Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Edmonton and Vancouver.

Holding signs that read "Together Against War" high above their heads, about 100 demonstrators marched under grey skies through downtown Halifax before stopping at a park for a rally.

...... will that be enough? I am wondering if there is a problem with long term memory.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I think the citizens of Canada do own some of the issue that come with the state of our current military forces. there are thousands of examples of Canadian citizens getting off their asses and using their voices through the countless forms of media to drive home the point that "they" want things to change. And our current form of government knows that they must bend or change something if they want to get re elected....look at how fast that female killer was placed back behind bars....there are thousands of other examples of Canadians using their voice to make changes happen in this country....

But DO things change? The only way I see some real change going down is if some of these politicians are out of office at the least and behind bars at best. Government needs to be scared of the people in order for the people to be in control. But that's now how things work and we both know that.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

There was at one time an unwritten rule, long since forgotten it seems by todays citizens that Soldiers would answer any call from our country,that they would gladly place their lives in the hands of it's citizens...our citizens would ensure that we would provide modern equipment to our forces so that they stood a fighting chance against our nations enemies....and that you would  look after our families while we were deployed, or and finally you would look after us if we came back home wounded, or in pieces, be it physical or mentally, you would also look after our families if we did not come home.....in essence you would "always have our backs"

Afghanistan is not our country. Afghanistan was not the enemy. The people who armed Bin Laden and Bin Laden himself were the enemy. Due to the US's idiotic actions of arming 'rebel groups' in Afghanistan to fight off the Soviets, we now have to commit Canadian blood because of the blowback which was 9/11.  The US created their own problem and Canadians died in Afghanistan for no good fucking reason period. Why? Because of NATO obligations. 

It's like standing up for your neighbor who is arming criminals and then cries foul when those same criminals attack that neighbor. Most might say, 'screw it, had it coming. Not my problem.' Or ask, 'WTF were you thinking??'  Look the same damn thing is playing out in Syria and we saw this EXACT same thing several times over the past 20 years. I am not really sure this is sinking in. All that is relevant and shows that we absolutely wasted Canadian lives for the US arming rebels turned terrorists.  If anything we should have invaded the USA for supporting terrorism.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

They only promise that Canadians have kept so far is looking after our families if we did not come home, this happened during op Medusa when several soldiers had died in attacks, and one of the major banks here in Canada, decided to foreclose on a dead soldiers mortgage, refusing to pay out insurance because he died in a war zone....the wife and kids were told to hit the streets....It was here that Canadians stood up and in huge numbers told the banks this is not right....days later massive changes across all the banks in Canada made it possible for wives of our dead soldiers to at least have a home to stay in , paid in full by the changed insurance  policies...and while not government related...the people spoke...You had our backs ...

Banks are dicks. However, if we had not gone in at all. We would not even be having this discussion and we would not have had to bury a single dead soldier.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Now I can list a few more instances where national outcry did produce the purchase of desert cam fatigues, new jeeps, a few arty pieces, etc ....but only after countless soldiers had already died, only then did the citizens stand up and yell bullshit, forcing the government to take action....and the government listened...and small purchases were made...

I don't know how else to explain it , with out your support and your voice our military will not change, nor will our vets be treated any differently....and if you chose not to support via your voice then you condone the governments course of action or thats the way our government reads it. So that by not acting  your decision is by default and you  share in that decision , and own all the consequences that come from that.

Over all I think Canadians were embarrassed as shit to find out our government cannot even equip our soldier properly SO we did it ourselves. That's an out right shame and makes us look like complete idiots on the world stage. What a crap government.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

I was implying that both the governments (liberal and Cons) did a shitty job in providing DND with the resources it needed to accomplish the job  it had gave them.

You agree, yet the citizens are STILL to blame?

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

How can we on one hand say that we did not go to Iraq because it was not very popular with the people and then on the other say the people had no say in Afghanistan....Yes it was agreed by our government to support the NATO request, but to say that the people had no say in the Afghan conflict is bullshit...remember all the hoopla , parades , sending the troops off in the wee hours of the morning with thousands of citizens lining the streets...The people supported it....just not spending any money on it...

Canadians mostly saw through the bullshit where the US used the tragedy of a terror attack (aka blowback) to go into Iraq the second time. I do recall the first time the US went in, was because Iraq was invading Kuwait. Iraq was not invading anyone. But many simply said 'yeah screw it let's blow shit up because we are angry and we will go along with who ever you want to smack'. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and therefore there was no NATO obligation to meet.  Technically if you consider the terror attack on the US and Bin Laden stationed in Afghanistan then YES it means we have a NATO obligation.

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

They did listen....when your voices became loud enough and that was not until year 6 or 8, up until then nobody cared....except the soldiers getting blown up....You forgotten us in that dust bowl ...and if we wanted something done we had to do it ourselves….we built hospitals, firehalls, bought fire trucks ambulances, built schools through our own pockets or corporate sponsorship....ya all that hearts and minds stuff normally came from soldiers pockets....Now picture this if you will Canadian soldiers watching the Canadian news a day late because it was flown in....most of the topics in the mess hall where how could our own citizens forgotten us, how this was no longer a Canadian mission ….but a Canadian military mission, with no support from home or very little ....And then our own citizens question why the attitude , it is not our fault , we have no say or pull with the government...BS ...Try just for one day being a soldier with no support from anybody....

That line won't get you far with me. The support I gave was , not wanting to send soldiers overseas to die in a needless war. That notion was in the minority, and that's where I was.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/11/canadas-highway-of-heroes-the-patriotic-tradition-lives-on-after-afghanistan/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9abdad111f76

How many dead soldiers are we willing to see driven down this highway for a war we should have never taken part in?

[taxme]

On 11/14/2018 at 4:22 PM, Army Guy said:

The swiss also have a massive army, one that is well financed and equipped....it also has a huge military industrial complex....and every male serves in the military , in one form or another until the age of 55....

The good thing is that they do not get themselves or their military involved in any globalist bankster made wars. Imagine if all countries of the world did the same thing? There would be no wars for the globalist banksters who only profit and make plenty of money from wars. The Swiss have the right idea. Canada does not. 

[Army Guy]

On ‎11‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 10:45 PM, GostHacked said:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rallies-in-canada-and-u-s-protest-iraq-war-afghan-mission-1.649135

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2014)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/anti-war-activists-hold-peace-rallies-across-canada-1.261852

https://www.ctvnews.ca/protesters-hold-rally-at-parade-to-honour-troops-1.245996

https://www.ctvnews.ca/most-canadians-oppose-afghanistan-mission-poll-1.249224

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/protests-across-canada-denounce-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/article20394746/

...... will that be enough? I am wondering if there is a problem with long term memory. 

 

Will that be enough he says....here you list 200 protest in Toronto, almost 3 million people and you got a whopping 200, what percentage is that again...All your numbers kind of support my point....it had to be storming those days of protest, or people just did not care enough to show up....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2012/05/23/biggest-act-civil-disobedience-canadian-history

Shit the G20 had more than all your protest numbers put together.....whats sad is your protests took place across the nation and maybe broke a thousand people....now that is sending a massage....Maybe try again....

 

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 Over all I think Canadians were embarrassed as shit to find out our government cannot even equip our soldier properly SO we did it ourselves. That's an out right shame and makes us look like complete idiots on the world stage. What a crap government.

WOW you were embarrassed….excuse me I have to sit down, I feel faint....because you were embarrassed of your government …..how do you think I felt....when  my own government sent me there then forgot I existed....as well as our citizens.....what did you do when you got embarrassed, take to the streets, write an MP, go on social media and complain....or crack a beer and went on with your day, like nothing ever happened....and while you did all of this our soldiers were going back on average 4 to 5 times, for tours longer than 6 months each.... not because it was a cool place to vacation, but because Afghanis had no support from anyone else....and it was DND's mission...we never gave up not one fuc*ing day, how embarrassed do you think we were.... 

 

 

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You agree, yet the citizens are STILL to blame?

What do you think.....

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How many dead soldiers are we willing to see driven down this highway for a war we should have never taken part in?

The question should read how many soldiers had to die until it's citizens care enough to act and have them returned....well over 160....with well over 1000 being physical wounded , and well over 180 suicides since we have come home...and today our soldiers still need to take our government to Court to get basic treatment....the same treatment as every other worker in Canada ….don't tell me they don't know, because it has been on every form of media I can think of....but like the story goes , nobody cares...sit down army guy, nobody wants to hear that shit no more.... 

[Rue]

On 11/14/2018 at 7:31 PM, eyeball said:

I got shit on pretty good for suggesting we should be more Swiss-like in our approach to how we should militarize our defense. There was some mention of ripping off Jews that got thrown in my face.

BTW, has the Swiss government ever sent it's military on adventures half way around the planet without holding a referendum? And I mean something comparable to the Afghanistan mission.

The Swiss have never fought a war because they safeguard the financing of wars. Their nation lives off the interest from stolen money and hiding stolen money and using that money to finance war. That is why they are no role model. No one threw any Jew in your face. Relax there are no flying Jews heading to your nostrils. Ease up on the bacon, it sounds like it's getting to you.

Edited November 24, 2018 by Rue

[Rue]

On 11/11/2018 at 3:01 PM, GostHacked said:

No I think we can agree on that one, but again easy to sway people into supporting a war after the events on 9/11 in the USA.

So how do you blame the citizens for the lack of a readiness state from the Military?

There we go, about time you can admit to it. And the public did NOT push the government into action regarding Afghanistan, that decision was already made because of our NATO commitments.  Plain and simple

And they will say anything to get you to elect them.

And for 10 years we've been telling the government to get our troops OUT of Afghanistan. Which citizens are they listening to?

 

Gosh I also am having a hard time following your grammar. Who is we?  Who is they?

[Rue]

On 11/16/2018 at 4:07 PM, taxme said:

The good thing is that they do not get themselves or their military involved in any globalist bankster made wars. Imagine if all countries of the world did the same thing? There would be no wars for the globalist banksters who only profit and make plenty of money from wars. The Swiss have the right idea. Canada does not. 

What fantasy world do you live in stating Switzerland doesn't involve itself in global bankster made wars? It is the world's largest global banker financing wars. Man you need a shake.

[Rue]

On 11/14/2018 at 9:45 PM, GostHacked said:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rallies-in-canada-and-u-s-protest-iraq-war-afghan-mission-1.649135

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2014)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/anti-war-activists-hold-peace-rallies-across-canada-1.261852

https://www.ctvnews.ca/protesters-hold-rally-at-parade-to-honour-troops-1.245996

https://www.ctvnews.ca/most-canadians-oppose-afghanistan-mission-poll-1.249224

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/protests-across-canada-denounce-wars-in-iraq-and-afghanistan/article20394746/

...... will that be enough? I am wondering if there is a problem with long term memory.

But DO things change? The only way I see some real change going down is if some of these politicians are out of office at the least and behind bars at best. Government needs to be scared of the people in order for the people to be in control. But that's now how things work and we both know that.

Afghanistan is not our country. Afghanistan was not the enemy. The people who armed Bin Laden and Bin Laden himself were the enemy. Due to the US's idiotic actions of arming 'rebel groups' in Afghanistan to fight off the Soviets, we now have to commit Canadian blood because of the blowback which was 9/11.  The US created their own problem and Canadians died in Afghanistan for no good fucking reason period. Why? Because of NATO obligations. 

It's like standing up for your neighbor who is arming criminals and then cries foul when those same criminals attack that neighbor. Most might say, 'screw it, had it coming. Not my problem.' Or ask, 'WTF were you thinking??'  Look the same damn thing is playing out in Syria and we saw this EXACT same thing several times over the past 20 years. I am not really sure this is sinking in. All that is relevant and shows that we absolutely wasted Canadian lives for the US arming rebels turned terrorists.  If anything we should have invaded the USA for supporting terrorism.

Banks are dicks. However, if we had not gone in at all. We would not even be having this discussion and we would not have had to bury a single dead soldier.

Over all I think Canadians were embarrassed as shit to find out our government cannot even equip our soldier properly SO we did it ourselves. That's an out right shame and makes us look like complete idiots on the world stage. What a crap government.

You agree, yet the citizens are STILL to blame?

Canadians mostly saw through the bullshit where the US used the tragedy of a terror attack (aka blowback) to go into Iraq the second time. I do recall the first time the US went in, was because Iraq was invading Kuwait. Iraq was not invading anyone. But many simply said 'yeah screw it let's blow shit up because we are angry and we will go along with who ever you want to smack'. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and therefore there was no NATO obligation to meet.  Technically if you consider the terror attack on the US and Bin Laden stationed in Afghanistan then YES it means we have a NATO obligation.

That line won't get you far with me. The support I gave was , not wanting to send soldiers overseas to die in a needless war. That notion was in the minority, and that's where I was.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/11/canadas-highway-of-heroes-the-patriotic-tradition-lives-on-after-afghanistan/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9abdad111f76

How many dead soldiers are we willing to see driven down this highway for a war we should have never taken part in?

Interesting I write something to Taxme and you claim you can't follow because of the spelling and grammar which of course is your passive aggressive way of defending his positions which I never doubted you support. Then you write the above disjointed babble after pointing the finger at my sarcasm? Ah hah. Now you speak for Canada...You clearly have a narcissistic affectation that illustrates you can't conceive anyone does not have your opinions. Who the phack do you speak for when you say Canadians are embarrassed about what our Armed Forces did in Afghanistan? I for one thank them. They did something your little bubble of a privileged world can't grasp. You have no clue why they were their and how it's the pricevpaid so you can be so damn narcissistic and self possessed in your comments. Yah I know you can't understand. It's the spelling.

Edited November 24, 2018 by Rue