Rue Posted October 20, 2018 Report Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) Ghost asks how to fix this..all anyone has to do is type into google, what the federal government wastes money on. It is there in your face where the money that should have gone to vets was spent on. It ain't rocket science. It ain't foreign policy. It ain't about Eye's or Ghost's selective causes to feel guilty about. It's about priorities. It is about starting with vets we owe a moral obligation to not the causes these two choose. Edited October 20, 2018 by Rue Quote
eyeball Posted October 20, 2018 Report Posted October 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, Rue said: Everyone of your responses has. Everyone of Ghosts posts has. Michael Gardner's sophistic lecture on healing the government avoided the issue. This is not about foreign policy you don't agree with. This is not about you, your political ideology. This is about posttraumatic stress syndrome and allocating sufficient funds to provide post war pyscho-therapy. It's about proper re-entry support..family and relationship, vocational, job placement counselling. It's about housing. It's about access to proper artificial limb maintenance, learning sign language, braille or how to use make up and wigs with burn scars. It is about coping with chronic pain, bad backs, knees, hips, shoulders that don't work, migraines, bloody ears and noses, jaw pain, incontinence, impotence, constant digestion problems. Not one of you will discuss the real issue. You run from it. The vets need nurses, counsellors, facilities, equipment, sufficient diapers, caphiters, medication, dental, skin, other kinds of care. This isn't about the horseshit on this thread you use to avoid the topic. It is about taking money and instead of spending it on certain projects re-routing it to vet affairs. So its about virtue trumping economics and even politics? Bwahahahahahaha! Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Hates politicians Posted October 20, 2018 Report Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 6:10 PM, Army Guy said: Really, wasteful spending....How much has the nation spent in the last 4 years on new equipment purchases....most if not all major projects has been frozen with the exception of the F-18 replacement program, and then they only want something interm , so they can pass that on down the road.....if that is what you implying then Yes a waste of money....but don't say the people are Pissed off at wasteful spending.....they don't give a rats ass...how much fuss did Canadians make after we spent 4.5 bil on a pipeline.... The government can afford any purchase, I mean the contract for rucks sacks would be well under 100 mil, peanuts...what is the problem is lack of will, and the endless red tape to get anything done... No "WE" have not been working Afghanistan, we quit more than 5 years ago, why "public pressure" by it's citizens... ….Our nation turned their backs on Afghanistan, when the going got tough Canadians lost interest, and simply said we done, and pulled out, because it was popular...and staying was unpopular we did spend a few years after the fact training Afghanis soldiers to save some face... WOW, so a few Canadians did not agree on the Afghanistan mission, But the start of this whole journey the majority of Canadians wanted this mission.....so bad the liberals begged for it....they wanted nothing to do with Iraq....and after a few years Canadians wanted nothing to do with it....gone was the support soldiers had at home, gone was funding for new equipment, or supplies, gone was support from our government as they did not want to be unpopular, all that was left was our soldiers holding the whole bag of worms, and we did the best we could we all the very little we got from our nation, .. .....most Canadians wanted nothing to do with the military , sure they bought those support the troops stickers for their cars....but once again they did not give a shit....it would take 10 years of combat and over 160 soldiers to come home in bags, before Canadians made themselves heard...and our government to take action, we'd still be over there if the citizens did nothing or made their voices heard....It took them over 10 years... That is what I call supporting the troops...it was more like bend over Irene I'm driving... Maybe we should publish a list of which nations we think are worthy of our blood, and treasure... maybe we can give it to immigration so we can keep those losers out of our nation...What was it about Afghanistan that I guess you have to go there and see, smell, taste, and feel how much Afghanistan really needed our help...How grateful most of the people were to have us there, and the Taliban gone. they were still grateful after we boarded the last plane home to Canada....We left with out finishing the job, you did not have to explain to them why we where leaving, like everything in Afghanistan we had to do that to...."we" were only there for 10 years, Then walked out.....the blood was from our military, it's citizens did not have to give a single drop, as for tax payers money on average each Canadian paid out 125 dollars a year, so forgive me if I don't get excited about your investment... There is NO support now....and if it hurts Canadians to hear the truth then so be it....I guess we can only slag the government on this site, and not the people " to those that I have offended I'm sorry, but maybe it's time we look at our actions or inactions and own them. You lost me.....WTF Bullshit, goggle that shit tell me that at the start of this mission it did not have the majority of support across the nation....So what is the case with Afghanistan , are you telling me that the blessed citizens of this country had no fuc**** idea what they were doing in regards to this decision , then to top it all after they sent us there, they just forgot us there, no will to bring us home, no will to give us the funding , no will to do sweet nothing....That is I how I seen things from the inside of the fish bubble....now my account may differ from yours and you may have gotten butt hurt by my comments. but i'm not they only soldier that feels this way. one more time...our government does nothing unless it has the support from the voters, If the voters wanted it , it would be a done deal....your example is only worth a few bil....I say again most major projects are frozen, not for the lack of funding , but the lack of will, it is not popular to spend money on the military.. Maybe they should change the title. The govt. Does lots of things without the support of voters. Gun control, useless carbon taxes etc. Quote
Army Guy Posted October 21, 2018 Author Report Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 12:35 PM, GostHacked said: I don't care if you don't want to debate me. One way to avoid opposing opinions you don't like on publicly available forums is to not post. Not ONCE have I called you any names. But me defending my stance with some passion is not giving attitude. I heard your side of the story and I think you are wrong. It's that simple really. I gave it a chance, but unfortunately all of your arguments fall FLAT against the backdrops of the facts over the past 15 years of why we went into Afghanistan and how our government fails to supply the troops to an adequate level. You also tried to bring racism into the conversation when it was not going your way. And I simply shut you down on it. Again, that's not attitude. However you SHOULD be angry that the government that cannot equip the soldiers as needed when sending them to war. Your stance of being mad at the people in all this will make most of the citizenry angry and you will get less support for the troops. So how are vets being treated? And who's fault is it? Your not debating, you've got a mindset and refuse to acknowledge anything different, you know jack shit about the topic, it shows in your replies, to which you have not provided one shred of proof for...I proven most of your theories false, and provided sources and yet you still spew your garbage....Your pissed because I've said that the Canadian citizens share in that so called failure....and you don't like it...To fu**ing bad....First off the topic was our vets, and some how you changed the channel and wanted to talk about the mission or how our troops are supply, again two more topics you know jack shit about, and yet somehow in your mind your a freaking wizard.... I asked you why not Afghanistan....I asked you if you did not like brown people, and I did state I did not think you where a racist....and yet you could not even give these people the time of day ......at least I got off the couch and went over there to make a difference....your still on the couch, telling me I should stay off the forums....... I get it you don't have an answer so you changed the channel again....maybe it's not me who needs to keep up....maybe it's you... Yes I am angry at the government , I thought you could figure that out all by your self....., but that's not where the blame stops, Ya I pointed my finger at you, and the rest of Canadian citizens....and personally I don't give a rats ass , what you or the rest of the country think about hearing the truth....the majority of Canadians don't care.. what the truth is or what I or other soldiers have to say...Vets have been taking the country to court in order to make changes to how this nation treats Vets, not just military vets RCMP , coast guard, fire fighters, EMS techs....you know the people who may give their lives up for this nations citizens…. you think by ignoring them they will go away, you think they are not getting pissed off at the lack of action coming from the very citizens they give service to....I know you don't give a rats ass.... As for passion or name calling , had we had this conversation face to face you'd be lying on the floor ....but then again that's what you do right, your so passionate that you can't even write a member of parliament or voice your opinion in a public format.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted October 21, 2018 Author Report Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 11:42 PM, Hates politicians said: The govt. Does lots of things without the support of voters. Gun control, useless carbon taxes etc. Yes it does...How did the gun registry work out, was it the pressure from the people that it changed or was shelved, Carbon taxes how many provinces are now second guessing those taxes, why is that ? Are they listening to what people are saying.... you think Justin woke up one morning and decided he was going to be a feminist, " ok maybe he did" or is it is what his voters wanted.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Rue Posted October 21, 2018 Report Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 9:25 PM, eyeball said: So its about virtue trumping economics and even politics? Bwahahahahahaha! What I would expect from you. The word is valor and it doesn 't trump anything. It speaks for itself loudly through silence. Quote
Rue Posted October 21, 2018 Report Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) On this debate for the record there are things about foreign policy I agree with Ghost on and I appreciate he debates as does the rest of you except Eye who thinks the topic is a giggle. I reduce the topic to what it is proper care for vets with specific re-entry issues because that is what it is. I quite frankly think the esoteric debates miss the point of a bed pan, a bandage, a warm bed. I do not feel superior to anyone on this...on the contrary I just don't get how people can't get the basic issue of sufficient vet care. It's about priorities of what our government chooses to spend tax money on. When the revenue comes in from pot do any of you think it won't be wasted? That's the issue. How do we spend it. Army Guy has no explaining to do to me. Nov.11 is coming up and my 93 year old vet father will quietly remember. How can I not hear Army's points? Hate war not soldiers. Soldiers don't create war they end it. They inherit and clean up the failures of politicians pandering to our lifestyles. Edited October 21, 2018 by Rue Quote
Hates politicians Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 22 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes it does...How did the gun registry work out, was it the pressure from the people that it changed or was shelved, Carbon taxes how many provinces are now second guessing those taxes, why is that ? Are they listening to what people are saying.... you think Justin woke up one morning and decided he was going to be a feminist, " ok maybe he did" or is it is what his voters wanted.... The people who voted for a liberal politician are as bright and a a bag of hammers Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Hates politicians said: The people who voted for a liberal politician are as bright and a a bag of hammers Given that the Liberals rule more than half the time, this is tantamount to saying "Canadians are stupid". Ok then. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Hates politicians Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Given that the Liberals rule more than half the time, this is tantamount to saying "Canadians are stupid". Ok then. that is correct Quote
GostHacked Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 8:38 PM, Rue said: Ghost asks how to fix this..all anyone has to do is type into google, what the federal government wastes money on. It is there in your face where the money that should have gone to vets was spent on. It ain't rocket science. It ain't foreign policy. It ain't about Eye's or Ghost's selective causes to feel guilty about. It's about priorities. It is about starting with vets we owe a moral obligation to not the causes these two choose. Wow I wish I had talked about the government not spending the money properly. Quote
Rue Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 3 hours ago, GostHacked said: Wow I wish I had talked about the government not spending the money properly. Wow I wish you would do less talking and more reading: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/keith-beardsley/trudeau-deficit_b_9226722.html https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/11/07/waste-trudeau-government-spending-5-million-skating-rink-outside-parliament/ https://ipolitics.ca/2016/07/06/trudeau-government-spending-millions-on-digital-ads/ https://globalnews.ca/news/2971972/liberals-shelled-out-62-9-billion-in-unprecedented-first-quarter-says-budget-watchdog/ https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/07/09/fleeced-after-trudeau-government-wasted-our-money-building-a-road-for-the-jordanian-military-that-country-wouldnt-even-buy-our-leftover-tanks/ https://trudeaublog.wordpress.com/category/waste/ https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/macdougall-trudeau-is-spending-your-money-like-you-dont-care-he-may-be-right Quote
Rue Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 20 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Given that the Liberals rule more than half the time, this is tantamount to saying "Canadians are stupid". Ok then. Kind of stupid to think we Canadians are not stupid don't you think? Wait that was stupid of me to ask. 1 Quote
Rue Posted October 22, 2018 Report Posted October 22, 2018 21 hours ago, Hates politicians said: The people who voted for a liberal politician are as bright and a a bag of hammers Why must you be complementary. I equate them with amoeba. They multiply pretty good but don't do much else. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 23, 2018 Report Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Rue said: Wow I wish you would do less talking and more reading: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/keith-beardsley/trudeau-deficit_b_9226722.html https://www.spencerfernando.com/2017/11/07/waste-trudeau-government-spending-5-million-skating-rink-outside-parliament/ https://ipolitics.ca/2016/07/06/trudeau-government-spending-millions-on-digital-ads/ https://globalnews.ca/news/2971972/liberals-shelled-out-62-9-billion-in-unprecedented-first-quarter-says-budget-watchdog/ https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/07/09/fleeced-after-trudeau-government-wasted-our-money-building-a-road-for-the-jordanian-military-that-country-wouldnt-even-buy-our-leftover-tanks/ https://trudeaublog.wordpress.com/category/waste/ https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/macdougall-trudeau-is-spending-your-money-like-you-dont-care-he-may-be-right Yeah I wish I had talked about that ...... you missed the 4 previous pages where I talked about it. Government waste. Quote
Rue Posted October 24, 2018 Report Posted October 24, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 8:49 PM, GostHacked said: Yeah I wish I had talked about that ...... you missed the 4 previous pages where I talked about it. Government waste. Right you are all for vets. Good for you. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 25, 2018 Report Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 10:57 PM, Army Guy said: Your not debating, you've got a mindset and refuse to acknowledge anything different, you know jack shit about the topic, it shows in your replies, to which you have not provided one shred of proof for...I proven most of your theories false, and provided sources and yet you still spew your garbage....Your pissed because I've said that the Canadian citizens share in that so called failure....and you don't like it...To fu**ing bad....First off the topic was our vets, and some how you changed the channel and wanted to talk about the mission or how our troops are supply, again two more topics you know jack shit about, and yet somehow in your mind your a freaking wizard.... I acknowledge what you have said. I simply do not have to believe it. This is your stance and I accept it, however I think it is wrong. I will not apologize for my opinion and view. You cannot talk about the state of the troops after the war without understanding how we got there in the first place. I rather have those Canadian soldiers lives back. We did NOT need to go into Afghanistan, and time and time again, it was the USA who created the problem there in the first place by arming Al-Queda. Out NATO obligations lead to Canadian blood being spilled. One of our NATO allies created the problem to offer a solution. On 10/20/2018 at 10:57 PM, Army Guy said: I asked you why not Afghanistan....I asked you if you did not like brown people, and I did state I did not think you where a racist....and yet you could not even give these people the time of day ......at least I got off the couch and went over there to make a difference....your still on the couch, telling me I should stay off the forums....... I get it you don't have an answer so you changed the channel again....maybe it's not me who needs to keep up....maybe it's you... You would not ask that if you were not looking for something to come back to me on. I told you why we should NOT have gone into Afghanistan. A Canadian life to me IS more important than theirs. Call me an asshole, but I rather take care of ours before we go screw up another nation. On 10/20/2018 at 10:57 PM, Army Guy said: Yes I am angry at the government , I thought you could figure that out all by your self....., but that's not where the blame stops, Ya I pointed my finger at you, and the rest of Canadian citizens....and personally I don't give a rats ass , what you or the rest of the country think about hearing the truth....the majority of Canadians don't care.. what the truth is or what I or other soldiers have to say...Vets have been taking the country to court in order to make changes to how this nation treats Vets, not just military vets RCMP , coast guard, fire fighters, EMS techs....you know the people who may give their lives up for this nations citizens…. you think by ignoring them they will go away, you think they are not getting pissed off at the lack of action coming from the very citizens they give service to....I know you don't give a rats ass.... Never tell me what I think. I will tell you exactly what I think. You nor anyone else on this forum will put my thoughts into word for me. Leave that task to ME. You are angry and you SHOULD be. However I still think you blaming the citizens for all this is going to work against your argument. On 10/20/2018 at 10:57 PM, Army Guy said: As for passion or name calling , had we had this conversation face to face you'd be lying on the floor ....but then again that's what you do right, your so passionate that you can't even write a member of parliament or voice your opinion in a public format.... The problem is I have no faith in our government to do what is right, even when we complain. Did we get a vote to send you off to war in Afghanistan? No, Canadians did NOT get to vote on it. Quote
eyeball Posted October 25, 2018 Report Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GostHacked said: The problem is I have no faith in our government to do what is right, even when we complain. Did we get a vote to send you off to war in Afghanistan? No, Canadians did NOT get to vote on it. My feelings exactly. I can't help but get the sense there's this expectation that Canadians should overlook all this - analogous to the old adage about not questioning why but simply doing and dying. Its nuts, why on Earth would anyone just march off and do that? Speaking of analogies...you need to carefully mitigate the influence of the things around a compass on a boat to ensure you steer an accurate course. The same thing holds true when considering one's moral compass. I get the sense far too many people's compasses are spinning like tops and don't get me started on how many idiots I see speeding thru the fog without a radar out there. Edited October 25, 2018 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Rue Posted October 26, 2018 Report Posted October 26, 2018 Ghost stated: "You cannot talk about the state of the troops after the war without understanding how we got there in the first place." The above has nothing to do with deciding whether vets need proper follow up on their return. I again repeat, the above is a deflection from the issue. It blames troops for doing what they do and suggests if they don't pursue a cause Ghost agrees with, what they should just all come back and rot? Pseuto intellectual debates about what Ghost feels is a proper use of soldiers does not determine their needs on return and never did...hard as it for Ghost to believe. Quote
GostHacked Posted October 27, 2018 Report Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Rue said: Ghost stated: "You cannot talk about the state of the troops after the war without understanding how we got there in the first place." The above has nothing to do with deciding whether vets need proper follow up on their return. I again repeat, the above is a deflection from the issue. It blames troops for doing what they do and suggests if they don't pursue a cause Ghost agrees with, what they should just all come back and rot? Pseuto intellectual debates about what Ghost feels is a proper use of soldiers does not determine their needs on return and never did...hard as it for Ghost to believe. Who here is blaming the troops? Quote
GostHacked Posted October 30, 2018 Report Posted October 30, 2018 It's not surprising that the answer to 'Who is blaming the troops' seems to have gone unanswered. Why? Because the answer is no one here is blaming the troops. Not ONE single person. Hey Rue, who was blaming the troops? Quote
Hates politicians Posted October 30, 2018 Report Posted October 30, 2018 Getting rid of the senate would free up some more money for the vets. Quote
Army Guy Posted November 3, 2018 Author Report Posted November 3, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 2:59 PM, GostHacked said: I acknowledge what you have said. I simply do not have to believe it. This is your stance and I accept it, however I think it is wrong. I will not apologize for my opinion and view. I'm not asking you to simply believe my opinion, I want you to do some of your own research, and use what I have told you as a starting point....I'm asking you to prove me wrong with facts not that garbage that eyeball spews...I don't want you to apologize for your opinion right or wrong, I want you to act upon it in some fashion, vote, take part in a protest, write your MP, do something.....and if you can't do that keep it to your self....to many couch generals already in the world who got an opinion about everything but know nothing factual.. Quote You cannot talk about the state of the troops after the war without understanding how we got there in the first place. I rather have those Canadian soldiers lives back. We did NOT need to go into Afghanistan, and time and time again, it was the USA who created the problem there in the first place by arming Al-Queda. Out NATO obligations lead to Canadian blood being spilled. One of our NATO allies created the problem to offer a solution. Fair enough, We got there because Canadians did not like the other option Iraq, and getting involved in a real war, with a high possibility of chemical and nukes being used....The liberals did not want to touch that with a 10 foot pole. they of course used Afghanistan as the go to option , one that would not be capable of producing mass causalities that they had predicted for Iraq...Canadians got behind the liberals and their propaganda and were soon screaming in the streets for our soldiers to kill those goat herders.....Until it start costing them money....Canadians did not like the fact our soldiers did not have the proper equipment...well at least that's what they said, and yet not many said anything....not before dozens of soldiers had paid that price did they act and the government listened...we got new tanks, new arty , new trucks, even ordered some chinooks and C-17 and C-130's....well enough to equip the mission but not enough to equip the army back home.... We all would like to have all our soldiers come home alive...Of all the missions this nation has taken on, I still not sure why you disliked the Afghanistan mission so much... one of the mission that was not about oil or big corp's it was about killing off a terrorist group, and a bunch of extremists...that presented a threat to the world...not to mention the people of Afghanistan….but some how you think we should of closed our eyes to all of that, and yet we went to Somalia, to feed millions of starving people.. instead we get caught up in our own problems of our own creation, and say fuck those millions of people and brought our boys home....we went to Syria because some little boy washed up on some shore....and we are still there....the government says we are not in combat, you don't need bags of mags filed with bullets if your not in combat or the threat of combat is high.... Al-Queda was not created by the US it was created , funded by Bin Ladin, to promote his own agenda, created long after the Russian portion of the war was over....Yes it had some of the same players BIN LADIN for instance, but Al-Queda is and was a terrorist group....end of story....with no direct ties to the Mujahideen to which the US was assisting. Yes , Canadian blood was spilt because of our NATO commitments, commitments that we have not as of late taken very serious. Besides those very commitments allow our government to cheap out on our defense measures, with out consequences…. well at least until very recently, with trump calling BS and forcing everyone to pull up their belts... Quote You would not ask that if you were not looking for something to come back to me on. I told you why we should NOT have gone into Afghanistan. A Canadian life to me IS more important than theirs. Call me an asshole, but I rather take care of ours before we go screw up another nation. That's a pretty self serving opinion is it not...one minute we Canadians brag about our G-7 status , how safe our nation is, how we are one of the best nations in the world to live , bring up a family, shit the list of things we brag about is long.....And some how we don't or cant help another nation in need ? we help out all kinds of nations, with funding, goods and services andf some time military support of direct action....but some how the Afghanis people don't deserve that and I wanted to know why....why not them and yet we could send entire generations to their deaths over in Europe, Korea, plus countless other UN, NATO mission around the globe....I'm wondering how did Canada's contribution to Afghanistan screw it up, we dug hundreds of wells, schools, Hospitals clinics, Hundreds of miles of major highways, even a Dam project....not to mention provided a semi secure area for the people to live in... Quote Never tell me what I think. I will tell you exactly what I think. You nor anyone else on this forum will put my thoughts into word for me. Leave that task to ME. I'm not here to put words in your mouth, I was trying to give you doubt and perhaps edge you to do some research on the topic, but I see that is not happening... Quote You are angry and you SHOULD be. However I still think you blaming the citizens for all this is going to work against your argument. Like I said if the public can't handle the truth then that's their bad not mine, I don't care if they get hurt feelings....or what they think of me personally....I mean if they are not willing right now to stand up for our Vets and how they are being treated, because they don't give a shit....do you really think , you might have a point if our military was in good standing with the majority of Canadians....They are all educated on all of these topics...and yet have remained silent...in one ear out the other....So tell me HOW do I get there attention, how do I put them into action....I know crickets right....And the sad part of this whole thing is you go down to the legion or mess and this conversation could be heard at a majority of tables there...with a lot of soldiers saying the same thing.... And once Canadian citizens are cornered on the topic they all come up with the same excuse....What can one person do....we have no say....we have no input....Input that's is in the media everyday public out cry for a convicted killer getting sent to a healing lodge, that pisses off a lot of Canadians , and while that preasure does not work over night, I would bet my pay check that chick is going to find herself back in general population....same as the legal weed, enough people spoke and the government listened....same as the pull out in Afghanistan, when enough people wanted out it happened...So it does happen, people do have a voice, and they are heard....and things happen.... Quote Did we get a vote to send you off to war in Afghanistan? No, Canadians did NOT get to vote on it. That is not how this democracy works...Government makes thousands of decisions every day, without consulting the public, .....That being said every politician has one goal to get reelected...and they will do anything to do that....Including reverse a decision or policy, all one has to do is look at the liberals Carbon tax, the cons have already said they are going to scrap it....why because it is not well thought out, and it does nothing for the environment....what it does do is pass all these taxes and expenses back down to the consumers.... Canadians do have a say, although there is normally no immediate action, unless it is a Muslim kid crying wolf about being accosted by an Asian man , for some reason Justin jumped all over that....or inviting that wing nut who took his pregnant wife to hike in Afghanistan...to your office.....after his release....only to find out later his wife was leaving him for abuse....any ways most of the time it take s time to convince the government to action....but they are listening.....always Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: tell me HOW do I get there attention, how do I put them into action.. I bet a coup would do the trick. $10 says most conservatives would be with you. I'D be with you too if it resulted in our becoming more like... Switzerland... where we stay home and mind our own fucking business for a change. Trouble is, you freaking people would be running off on every misbegotten mission your beloved allies did. Edited November 3, 2018 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
OftenWrong Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'D be with you too if it resulted in our becoming more like... Switzerland... where we stay home and mind our own fucking business for a change. Yep, the good old Swiss. Stay neutral, and handle all the money. Quote
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