It's official: Ontario is completely broke

[taxme]

On 9/22/2018 at 7:41 AM, GostHacked said:

You are in a state of perpetual debt. NOT good for anyone, but bankers.

Yes indeed. It is the banksters that are the ones that are benefitting and making plenty of money and getting rich from the taxpayer's of Ontario because their governments keep borrowing and keep spending like crazy on so many useless liberal and socialist programs and agendas that no Ontario taxpayer has ever asked for or needed.   

Government "IS " the bloody problem.

Hello.  

 

 

[Boges]

On 9/21/2018 at 9:44 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Is Rob Ford the person to take us through the coming tough times ?  My God, no... He has already gone out of his way to piss off the largest city and GDP generator in the province/country so how is he going to unify the province when it comes time to cut ?

Few Premiers have the whiff of failure in their first weeks of governing.  This one does.

Doug Ford. . . has gone out of his way to make Toronto's City Council more efficient. 

He's only pissing off people that would have never voted for him in the first place. 

DoFo's government is doing a pretty good job so far IMHO. What's going to happen is that any attempt at trying to chip away at Ontario's deficit will be met by sky is falling moans from the entitlement class. 

 

[taxme]

On 9/21/2018 at 11:15 AM, turningrite said:

Was anybody really surprised by today's news that Ontario's deficit is now pegged at $15 billion? The number is eye-popping, to say the least. Okay, the accounting rules have been changed to reflect the system favored and promoted by Ontario's auditor general, but even if Wynne's deficit figure had been adjusted to the higher level it would have stood at $11 billion and change, leaving a whopping discrepancy of more than $3 billion dollars. Given this mess, I think we now need to rethink the way government functions here in Ontario. With an abysmal health care system, a declining education system and a counter-productive social services system eating up the lion's share of tax and deficit dollars, can the current regime be maintained? My recommendation is major surgery. Otherwise, Ontario will be consigned to the dustbin of being a failed jurisdiction.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-deficit-at-15-billion-this-year-pcs-say-not-67-billion/

The liberal and socialists are at it already attacking Ford. They are getting the students all riled up now where the other day students apparently left their classes for a one day protest on some bloody sex curriculum cancellations. This could be one of many protests Ford will be seeing and have to deal with while in office. The way too many liberal and socialist programs and agendas that the liberals and socialists were able to force on the taxpayers of Ontario are about to be dismantled piece by piece and we all should know by now that the liberals and socialists do not like to see what they have been implementing in Ontario for decades going don the drain. 

And it looks like Ford has just cancelled newspapers and magazine subscription's. It may not be much but it is a start. Every little bit helps save the taxpayer's their tax dollars. Why should taxpayer's pay for their government employees to free newspapers and magazines. A prime example of a waste of tax dollars for sure. Ford has also put in place a government hiring freeze. That should help to cut back on government spending. Do with what you have and get by. Move government employees around if need be from one government outfit to another. I know that one of the great sayings by government employees is that they are overworked and under paid. Such bull shit. Government employees have the best benefit and pension plans going and are paid quite well for their sometimes stupid jobs that they get paid for. Cap and trade is gone. Another waste of taxpayer's tax dollars. This is only the beginning of what the taxpayer's should start to see and get from a Ford government now who truly does believe that the Ontario taxpayer's have been pretty much shafted of their tax dollars for decades now. 

Go, Ford, go. Show the Ontario taxpayer's that you mean business and you are going to save them plenty of tax dollars, and give them less government and more freedom and you will be the premier of Ontario and your conservative government will stay in power for a very long time. And you need to show the taxpayer's the savings of those tax dollars that you say you are very concerned about saving. Be up front so all the naysayers here and your enemies will only be left with one option? Shut the hell up.  

[Michael Hardner]

46 minutes ago, Boges said:

  What's going to happen is that any attempt at trying to chip away at Ontario's deficit will be met by sky is falling moans from the entitlement class. 

Right.  So lots of OPP fire and ambulance cuts right ?

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Right.  So lots of OPP fire and ambulance cuts right ?

Probably not, sadly. Conservatives don't touch policing. I see them as public servants like anyone else. 

[turningrite]

32 minutes ago, taxme said:

Go, Ford, go. Show the Ontario taxpayer's that you mean business and you are going to save them plenty of tax dollars, and give them less government and more freedom and you will be the premier of Ontario and your conservative government will stay in power for a very long time. And you need to show the taxpayer's the savings of those tax dollars that you say you are very concerned about saving. Be up front so all the naysayers here and your enemies will only be left with one option? Shut the hell up.  

Ford will be fine as long as he sticks to bread-and-butter issues that seriously impact Ontario's fiscal circumstances. As such, his government's start, which has focused on bizarrely symbolic and essentially inconsequential issues like the sex-ed curriculum and the size of Toronto's city council, has been troublingly inauspicious. Substantive fiscal reform in this province will have to focus on the abysmal health care model, the rising costs and declining results of the education system and reining in social subsidies. These three sectors account for about 80 percent of provincial program spending. Oh, and I should also mention the need to rein in costs associated with the broader provincial public service, which has reportedly experienced wage and benefits gains over the past decade or more far out of proportion to the experience of most taxpaying private sector workers. 

[taxme]

22 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Ford will be fine as long as he sticks to bread-and-butter issues that seriously impact Ontario's fiscal circumstances. As such, his government's start, which has focused on bizarrely symbolic and essentially inconsequential issues like the sex-ed curriculum and the size of Toronto's city council, has been troublingly inauspicious. Substantive fiscal reform in this province will have to focus on the abysmal health care model, the rising costs and declining results of the education system and reining in social subsidies. These three sectors account for about 80 percent of provincial program spending. Oh, and I should also mention the need to rein in costs associated with the broader provincial public service, which has reportedly experienced wage and benefits gains over the past decade or more far out of proportion to the experience of most taxpaying private sector workers. 

It seems that you and people like you cannot seem to figure out that the problems that we the people are having today with our health and social services and education problems is that no one is willing to talk about and admit that we have an immigration problem which is one of the big main factors and reasons as to all of those problems. Immigration and the costs associated with massive immigration is breaking the Canadian bank and immigration is draining our government savings accounts. We are going broke because of too much immigration. Why people like yourself cannot seem to wake up and smell the coffee is beyond me.

The only people to blame for all of this is our politically correct liberal and socialists politicians who truly do believe that money grows on trees. They live in a world of stupidity and foolishness. Their leftist liberal and socialist programs and agendas are going to bankrupt us all if they are not controlled and are allowed to spend tax dollars like there is no tomorrow. 

Government "IS " the bloody problem, and never the bloody solution. Hopefully, Ford will do things right and start to massively cut spending. The pain needs to begin. 

[turningrite]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

It seems that you and people like you cannot seem to figure out that the problems that we the people are having today with our health and social services and education problems is that no one is willing to talk about and admit that we have an immigration problem which is one of the big main factors and reasons as to all of those problems. Immigration and the costs associated with massive immigration is breaking the Canadian bank and immigration is draining our government savings accounts. We are going broke because of too much immigration. Why people like yourself cannot seem to wake up and smell the coffee is beyond me.

 

If you read my comments on immigration, you'd realize that I too believe that immigration reform is urgently required, especially to curb dependency, which drains public coffers.

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You can only say some of these things because we are actually bothering to tackle these challenges.  It's a thing here.  We are looking at suspension rate data to ensure that minorities aren't being suspended at higher rates than whites.  We identified it as a problem and are actively tackling it, just as carding has been tackled by most of our police forces.

Oh no we didn't. Like every other idea Canadian progressives have ever held it came from somewhere else first. Both of the above are American in origin. The US federal government even mandated education systems to stop suspending/expelling black students more than whites. Which, given the fact Black students are WAY more likely to be involved in violence and other antisocial problems at school, has helped lead to a deterioration in the quality of American public education. It's also led to white students being suspended for the most minor of offenses while Blacks practically have to kill someone to get suspended.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Right.  So lots of OPP fire and ambulance cuts right ?

I would expect and hope for pay freezes for police and firefighters, at the last. They are paid WAY too much for blue collar jobs which require little education. I don't know about ambulances or paramedics as I haven't looked into that.

[dialamah]

26 minutes ago, Argus said:

I would expect and hope for pay freezes for police and firefighters, at the last. They are paid WAY too much for blue collar jobs which require little education. I don't know about ambulances or paramedics as I haven't looked into that.

Education isn't and shouldn't be the only determination of wages.  If you devalue the work the policemen, firefighters and paramedics do, then who do you suppose will be doing them?   

[Argus]

24 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Education isn't and shouldn't be the only determination of wages.  If you devalue the work the policemen, firefighters and paramedics do, then who do you suppose will be doing them? 

There are a hundred applicants for every one of these jobs, and the only reason there aren't more is because most people know they're largely unattainable. Getting one is a career in itself.
And who will be doing them? Who does them in the UK, the US, Australia, France, Germany, etc.?

Edited September 23, 2018 by Argus

[Centerpiece]

36 minutes ago, Argus said:

There are a hundred applicants for every one of these jobs, and the only reason there aren't more is because most people know they're largely unattainable. Getting one is a career in itself.
And who will be doing them? Who does them in the UK, the US, Australia, France, Germany, etc.?

Very true. A good friend's son is 26 - in tremendous shape, has passed the entry tests - but has been unable to land a firefighter or police job in the past 3 years. Almost time for him to give that dream up.

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

Yes indeed. It is the banksters that are the ones that are benefitting and making plenty of money and getting rich from the taxpayer's of Ontario because their governments keep borrowing and keep spending like crazy on so many useless liberal and socialist programs and agendas that no Ontario taxpayer has ever asked for or needed.   

Government "IS " the bloody problem.

Hello.  

 

 

You can't blame only the Liberals for deficits.  The Conservatives drove up the debt with tax cuts and the Liberals drove it up with public spending. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

Oh no we didn't. Like every other idea Canadian progressives have ever held it came from somewhere else first. Both of the above are American in origin. The US federal government even mandated education systems to stop suspending/expelling black students more than whites. Which, given the fact Black students are WAY more likely to be involved in violence and other antisocial problems at school, has helped lead to a deterioration in the quality of American public education. It's also led to white students being suspended for the most minor of offenses while Blacks practically have to kill someone to get suspended.

That's an exaggeration.  C'mon, blacks have been so disadvantaged.  And yes, we need to worry about all groups, including white men.  

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

  I don't know about ambulances or paramedics as I haven't looked into that.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/08/02/hamilton-paramedics-face-criminal-charges-in-al-hasnawi-case.html

This good Samaritan died, and ambulance drivers were charged with neglect.  Witnesses said:

“For more than 20 minutes we asked the paramedics to take him to hospital and they said, ‘No, he was just fine. When he saw you coming he started acting out,’” Amin Al-Tahir, a director at the mosque, said after the shooting.  “[Paramedics] started to laugh with each other. We told them, ‘Please, take him to the hospital. He has difficulty breathing.’ They decided to take him because people came more and more.”"

"Mario Posteraro, president of OPSEU Local 256, said the union will be defending the paramedics and called the called the charges an attack on the paramedic profession."

[Argus]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That's an exaggeration.  C'mon, blacks have been so disadvantaged.  And yes, we need to worry about all groups, including white men.  

I did not get into the societal causes for any improper behaviour. I simply noted that this behaviour is a matter of statistical record in the US. It is similar in Canada, as far as I'm aware, though of course that's not the kind of thing the government dares to put out statistics on. There's been considerable written about the black high school dropout rate in Toronto, though, and the gang problem there, and violence in Black neighbourhoods. So suggesting it's wrong for blacks to be suspended or expelled in greater numbers than whites because they're 'disadvantaged' simply makes no sense. Keeping disruptive students in class harms the educational prospects of everyone else.

[Argus]

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/08/02/hamilton-paramedics-face-criminal-charges-in-al-hasnawi-case.html

This good Samaritan died, and ambulance drivers were charged with neglect.  Witnesses said:

“For more than 20 minutes we asked the paramedics to take him to hospital and they said, ‘No, he was just fine. When he saw you coming he started acting out,’” Amin Al-Tahir, a director at the mosque, said after the shooting.  “[Paramedics] started to laugh with each other. We told them, ‘Please, take him to the hospital. He has difficulty breathing.’ They decided to take him because people came more and more.”"

"Mario Posteraro, president of OPSEU Local 256, said the union will be defending the paramedics and called the called the charges an attack on the paramedic profession."

I can't imagine what relevance this has to a discussion on the salaries of public servants...

[Argus]

16 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Very true. A good friend's son is 26 - in tremendous shape, has passed the entry tests - but has been unable to land a firefighter or police job in the past 3 years. Almost time for him to give that dream up.

I would suggest he get a sex change. She'll be hired immediately. 

[Boges]

17 hours ago, dialamah said:

Education isn't and shouldn't be the only determination of wages.  If you devalue the work the policemen, firefighters and paramedics do, then who do you suppose will be doing them?   

They already make an exceptionally good living.

[Shady]

The worst part of the Wynne legacy is the lowering of our Ontario's credit rating.  That alone costs the government significantly in interest payments on the debt each year.   

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

They already make an exceptionally good living.

That makes me happy.  

[Zeitgeist]

Debt levels need to come down. Will the PC’s do that?

[taxme]

16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That's an exaggeration.  C'mon, blacks have been so disadvantaged.  And yes, we need to worry about all groups, including white men.  

It was blacks that started all the problems in American schools because they were the ones that started bringing guns too and selling drugs in American schools back in the 70's and 80's. White students never started the gun and drug revolutions in American schools. Whites went to school to get an education, not commit violence, and not to carry guns or sell drugs in schools. It was the black students that started it all up. Before those years mentioned there was peace in schools until the leftists liberals gained a great influence in politics and the education system. Sure the blacks were disadvantaged at one time but not anymore. The black students have now become the advantaged ones while the white students are fast becoming the disadvantaged ones. And that ain't no exaggeration, pardner. 

[taxme]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You can't blame only the Liberals for deficits.  The Conservatives drove up the debt with tax cuts and the Liberals drove it up with public spending. 

As far as I am concerned there has been no real conservative party in Canada for several decades now. The conservative party is nothing more than just another liberal party only dressed up in conservative clothing and always to willing to adhere to political correctness. So, it has been only liberals from both political party's for several decades that have been running and pretty much ruining this once great nation.

If the conservative party were a real conservative party that believed in more freedom, less government and less taxes Canada would be in a better shape today than what it is. The real problem here we have so called leaders that have a problem with spending. Both party's blow tax dollars like there will be no tomorrow. How is a country like Canada which as someone said here is in good shape and be in debt for hundreds of billions? That does not look like Canada is in good shape at all. We are being told that Canada is in good shape. But even the leaders in Zimbabwe will say the same thing to their people that all is going great which we all should know by now that things are not all that great in Zimbabwe.

As a note. Many blacks are now asking for the white farmers who left Zimbabwe(Rhodesia)to come back. I guess apartheid has not worked for them also, eh? Just saying.