Jimwd Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 Terrorizing children for political purposes is immoral. Quote
eyeball Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) What's really terrifying is how many people think its the moral thing to do. They probably think these kids are a lot more like Omar Khadr who chose to follow their parents. These so-called children are practically terrorists. Edited June 20, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) The forced removal of children from families is a well established practice in Canada, even when no immigration violation has occurred. Liberal policies removed and continue to remove babies and children from families. Quote The Sixties Scoop refers to a practice that occurred in Canada of taking, or "scooping up", Indigenous children from their families and communities for placement in foster homes or adoption. Despite the reference to one decade, the Sixties Scoop began in the late 1950s and persisted into the 1980s. It is estimated that a total of 20,000 aboriginal children were taken from their families and fostered or adopted out to primarily white middle-class families as part of the Sixties Scoop.[1][2] ... The continued practice of taking Indigenous, Inuit and Métis children from their families and communities and placing them in foster homes or for adoption is termed Millennium Scoop.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixties_Scoop The Trump administration has learned well from Canada's aggressive political and social policies. Edited June 20, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 Cool story but all it boils down to is that you believe two wrongs make it right. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Jimwd Posted June 20, 2018 Author Report Posted June 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The forced removal of children from families is a well established practice in Canada, even when no immigration violation has occurred. Liberal policies removed and continue to remove babies and children from families. The Trump administration has learned well from Canada's aggressive political and social policies. Difference is I don’t support what you cult folks support right this minute. Terrorizing children. we know what you are, Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Difference is I don’t support what you cult folks support right this minute. Terrorizing children. we know what you are, Doesn't matter what you support....the forced removal of children from families has been the national and provincial policy in Canada for many decades. If it was/is such a human rights issue, why is Canada still doing it ? Trump can't do any better ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Jimwd Posted June 20, 2018 Author Report Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Doesn't matter what you support....the forced removal of children from families has been the national and provincial policy in Canada for many decades. If it was/is such a human rights issue, why is Canada still doing it ? Trump can't do any better ! Today you are a monster , , ..... none of your snake slithering excuses for your pig porn screwing deviant, he is a perfect representative of your decadence and evil. there is no excuse to terrorize children ...none Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jimwd said: Today you are a monster , , ..... none of your snake slithering excuses for your pig porn screwing deviant, he is a perfect representative of your decadence and evil. there is no excuse to terrorize children ...none Please review forum rules...personal attacks are not permitted. https://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/guidelines/ Children are "terrorized" from even before birth...a Charter Right ! The removal of children from illegal migrant families is in accordance with U.S. law (detention of children with adults). Edited June 20, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
AngusThermopyle Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 Yes, I remember well all the screaming and dramatics when Clinton signed this into law and Obama enforced it during his two terms. No...wait...oh hell...scratch that. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
H10 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 What American can commit a series of felonies like illegal immigration, be arrested and not be separated from their children? Drink and drive with your kids in the back, you think you can take your kid into the interrogation and into the jail cell before trial? What country are you people writing from soviet Russia? Seriously, what nation lets criminals take their children into prisons and jails? Also isn't it dangerous to imprison children with adults because of all the rapist and child molesters in jails? Frankly, illegals have more rights than law abiding citizens. A cop can arrest you for "Contempt of cop" send you to jail, call CPS to come pick up your kid and you don't even have to be convicted of anything. I am actually surprised illegals have so much more right than Americans. Further if America is so bad, why don't these illegals just claim asylum in Mexico? They claim they are fleeing Honduras and El Salvador and Guatamala because of gangs. Well sorry, gang violence is not considered to be a valid refugee as all people in this country are at risk and it is not a target done on prohibited grounds. Also because MS13 is all over America, coming to America doesn't even mean escaping MS13 because the gang STARTED in America! These people are economic migrants wanting more money. Period. Trump better not get soft on immigration. Deport them all now! Quote
paxamericana Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, H10 said: What American can commit a series of felonies like illegal immigration, be arrested and not be separated from their children? Drink and drive with your kids in the back, you think you can take your kid into the interrogation and into the jail cell before trial? What country are you people writing from soviet Russia? Seriously, what nation lets criminals take their children into prisons and jails? Also isn't it dangerous to imprison children with adults because of all the rapist and child molesters in jails? Frankly, illegals have more rights than law abiding citizens. A cop can arrest you for "Contempt of cop" send you to jail, call CPS to come pick up your kid and you don't even have to be convicted of anything. I am actually surprised illegals have so much more right than Americans. Further if America is so bad, why don't these illegals just claim asylum in Mexico? They claim they are fleeing Honduras and El Salvador and Guatamala because of gangs. Well sorry, gang violence is not considered to be a valid refugee as all people in this country are at risk and it is not a target done on prohibited grounds. Also because MS13 is all over America, coming to America doesn't even mean escaping MS13 because the gang STARTED in America! These people are economic migrants wanting more money. Period. Trump better not get soft on immigration. Deport them all now! According to Jimwd, those immigrant are seeking fascism. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 Just send them all to Canada...Justin Trudeau said they will be welcomed with open arms and wallets. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
paxamericana Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Just send them all to Canada...Justin Trudeau said they will be welcomed with open arms and wallets. But can we get canada to pay for a bridge from toronto to the us mexico border is the real challenge. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, paxrom said: But can we get canada to pay for a bridge from toronto to the us mexico border is the real challenge. Just dig a tunnel under the USA...Mexican and Canadian drug dealers love to dig tunnels into the U.S. Illegal immigrants can help to dig ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
betsy Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Jimwd said: Terrorizing children for political purposes is immoral. Tell that to Obama. Quote
betsy Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Taking children from their mothers. Abomination Just like the way the government rips children from parents, huh? "For the good of the children," of course. Having been a foster parent, I've heard children crying for parents (some of whom will never see again, because they're being set up for adoption). It is heartbreaking to see these children on their last visits with their parents. Anyway, some kids cry for their fathers! But of course, the real story behind what's happening in the USA border right now..........there's more to it, isn't it? A real refugee will be thankful to see their children having a safe place to sleep, and being fed balanced meals on a regular basis.....after all, they've already got past the most dangerous part of their journey. It's so easy for those exploiting the misery of refugees who risked life and limb to flee from whatever it is that made them flee from their homeland. Obviously, they felt the risk is well worth it. So.....I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about children being kept in what they say are "cages." Surely, you wouldn't want them running off, unsupervised? Lol. Before you know it, the USA will be sued for missing children! Or, for children who were abducted by pedophiles! Once they set foot at your doorstep - they become your problem, whether you like it or not. Now you see why a wall is needed. Edited June 20, 2018 by betsy 1 Quote
betsy Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) In Canada......we'll probably be sued for millions. Of course, we'll pay. We're known, and famous for that. Edited June 20, 2018 by betsy 1 Quote
betsy Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Lol. They ought to take bus-loads of these kids and drop them off at the houses of all those complaining about their condition. Here, accomodate them. First stop: Laura Bush's ranch. Edited June 20, 2018 by betsy 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The forced removal of children from families is a well established practice in Canada, even when no immigration violation has occurred. This is an example of the "Tu quoque" fallacy. Canada's moral failings are irrelevant to the point. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 2 hours ago, AngusThermopyle said: Yes, I remember well all the screaming and dramatics when Clinton signed this into law and Obama enforced it during his two terms. No...wait...oh hell...scratch that. Trump admitted yesterday that his government has initiated family separation, not previous governments. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, betsy said: Tell that to Obama. Why? What are you talking about? You wouldn't be lying about Obama's administration because there is no more moral ground to stand on defending the Trump administration, would you? You should get Trump on the same page as you before making stuff up, because he's already contradicted you and made you look dishonest. Edited June 20, 2018 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, betsy said: Lol. They ought to take bus-loads of these kids and drop them off at the houses of all those complaining about their condition. Here, accomodate them. First stop: Laura Bush's ranch. You're attacking Laura Bush for her Christian values? I thought you considered that to be persecution? Nonetheless, it sounds like you stole that argument from the pro-choicers. If you want to save those children, take them! Edited June 20, 2018 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
betsy Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Quote Canada also detains migrant children, sometimes for months at a time The holding centres, which are off limits to the public, resemble medium-security prisons. They are surrounded by razor-wire fences and surveilled by guards. There are three such facilities across Canada, in Vancouver, Toronto, and Laval, Que. In some provinces, asylum seekers are detained in prisons. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-detention-children-united-states-1.4709632 Edited June 20, 2018 by betsy 1 Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, betsy said: Canada also detains migrant children, sometimes for months at a time http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/canada-detention-children-united-states-1.4709632 But Canada has not made it a policy to do it on a widespread basis so it is a deterrent. And if they did, they too would be wrong. Because two wrongs never make a right. Bad argument. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Michael Hardner Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: You're attacking Laura Bush for her Christian values? How about the pope ? https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/pope-francis-trump-immigration-intl/index.html Quote In a wide-ranging interview with Reuters at his Vatican residence published on Wednesday, World Refugee Day, Francis said he supported the statements made by US Catholic bishopswho called the separation of children from their parents "immoral" and "contrary to our Catholic values." Thankfully, this now means that Catholics have to choose between following the pope and following Trump. We know how real Catholics will respond. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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