PIK Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 No country would allow a bunch of heavily armed people to storm a border crossing without a response. Yet, when Israel responded in a measured, common-sense way to the threat, they get condemned because of a false-narrative that they were ‘murdering civilians.’ Now, Justin Trudeau has gotten in on the act, calling Israel’s use of live ammunition ‘inexcusable,’ and saying the government is “appalled” by the violence. CNN has reported that a “senior member of Hamas’ political bureau” said “In the last round [of demonstrations] 62 people were martyred; 50 of them are from Hamas and 12 from the people,” al-Bardaweel replied, adding, “I am telling you, these are official numbers.” That statement totally debunks the idea that these were somehow ‘peaceful’ protesters. And in the New York Times (a usually far-left newspaper), journalist Matti Friedman writes about how Hamas purposely creates situations where people get killed in order to gain propaganda victories: “The next step in the evolution of this tactic was visible in Monday’s awful events. If the most effective weapon in a military campaign is pictures of civilian casualties, Hamas seems to have concluded, there’s no need for a campaign at all. All you need to do is get people killed on camera. The way to do this in Gaza, in the absence of any Israeli soldiers inside the territory, is to try to cross the Israeli border, which everyone understands is defended with lethal force and is easy to film. About 40,000 people answered a call to show up. Many of them, some armed, rushed the border fence. Many Israelis, myself included, were horrified to see the number of fatalities reach 60.” Conservative Senator Linda Frum ripped Trudeau for his statement: “Trudeau calls Israel’s effort to protect 1948 internationally recognized border against armed incursion “appalling.” True friends of Israel knew it was only a matter of time. First opportunity in office to defend Israel’s right to self defence & our PM condemns Israel not Hamas https://www.spencerfernando.com/2018/05/16/fooled-trudeau-is-falling-for-hamas-propaganda/ Trudeau needs to resign. He is so easily fooled. Even Hamas admits it and trudeau still has no clue. With that statement, Trudeau confirms that he’s fallen for the propaganda of the terrorist organization Hamas, the terrorist group that has been behind the violence from the beginning: According to the Times of Israel citing a translation from the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), the co-founder of Hamas “said in an interview that the terror group was “deceiving the public” when it spoke of “peaceful resistance” a day before 60 people were killed in violent protests on the Gaza border.” He said Hamas was using “clear terminological deception.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) Trudeau is pretty one sided in this as he is completely ignoring the role of Hamas. Israel has every right to defend it's borders so what would happen if they didn't, what do people think would happen if thousands of blood thirsty rioters got through? Does anyone really think that it would just be a peaceful march or that they would not kill any israeli they saw? Trudeau wants an investigation into the shooting of the Canadian Dr but maybe someone should fill Trudeau in on the guy's activist background, not that it would matter to him. The guy is not so innocent, and It's very telling that the media haven't been reporting on Loubani's background which consists of of being arrested multiple times while in the Middle East. The Canadian gov't had to ball out Loubani and pal when they were arrested and jailed in Egypt. I bet the Mossad knew about him. Just think: on Monday over 60 Palestinian rioters were killed while violently attempting to violently infiltrate into Israel from Gaza. Today - no one was using violence, no one was trying to infiltrate so - guess what - no one was killed. Edited May 17, 2018 by scribblet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 42 minutes ago, PIK said: No country would allow a bunch of heavily armed people to storm a border crossing without a response. Yes, the response to that is also termed intifada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Just like his bro Obama, Trudeau is not a friend of Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, betsy said: Just like his bro Obama, Trudeau is not a friend of Israel. Israel doesn't deserve to have any friends. In any case, friends shouldn't let friends act like Israel for the same reason friends shouldn't let friends drive drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted May 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Trudeau's brother is a big palestinian activist and anti Israel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted May 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, eyeball said: Israel doesn't deserve to have any friends. In any case, friends shouldn't let friends act like Israel for the same reason friends shouldn't let friends drive drunk. Why? Where do arabs go to get decent work? Where do arab gays go to just live in peace? You have idiot groups like queers against Israeli apartheid, but the people they support would kill everyone of them on site. Go to a arab country and have a gay parade and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Two wrongs don't make a right PIK. That's exactly the sort of wooly-headed illogic you accuse liberals of expressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Why isn't Trudeau sanctioning the USA ? Why does Canada still desperately seek NAFTA trade with Israel's biggest supporter and ally ? After all, two wrongs don't make a right, right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 26 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Why isn't Trudeau sanctioning the USA ? Because he's a pathetic wimp. Quote Why does Canada still desperately seek NAFTA trade with Israel's biggest supporter and ally ? Because Canada is a pathetic wimp. Quote After all, two wrongs don't make a right, right ? They certainly do in your pathetic view of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted May 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 Israel gave the gaza strip to hamas 12 yrs ago, what has hamas done with it ti help its people, nothing. But just moved thier mortars even closer. Sorry people but trying to defend hamas is the same as defending the Nazi's. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, PIK said: Israel gave the gaza strip to hamas 12 yrs ago, what has hamas done with it ti help its people, nothing. But just moved thier mortars even closer. Sorry people but trying to defend hamas is the same as defending the Nazi's. You've got it backwards as usual. Trying to depict Gaza as a gift is like calling the Warsaw Ghetto a resort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Israel doesn't deserve to have any friends. In any case, friends shouldn't let friends act like Israel for the same reason friends shouldn't let friends drive drunk. There's nothing wrong in defending one's border. Especially from people who believes you don't have the right to exist. Palestinians can protest elsewhere. Edited May 17, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, eyeball said: You've got it backwards as usual. Trying to depict Gaza as a gift is like calling the Warsaw Ghetto a resort. Gaza was a spoil of war from the 6-day war. Israel shouldn't have given it back. Things had changed when Hamas took over. Nothing Israel will do, will be good enough for people who simply want to see you annihilated. Edited May 17, 2018 by betsy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 hours ago, betsy said: There's nothing wrong in defending one's border. Especially from people who believes you don't have the right to exist. And that's exactly why Palestinians are fighting back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 8 hours ago, betsy said: Nothing Israel will do, will be good enough for people who simply want to see you annihilated. Israelis should think about that before letting its government treat millions of people like prisoners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 5 hours ago, eyeball said: Israelis should think about that before letting its government treat millions of people like prisoners. Why do you think they ended up with Gaza???? Because of the 6-day war! All the bullies in the region ganged up on Israel! Actually, Israel had practiced so much restraint. Why don't you try doing what the Palestinians are doing on Iran's border.....let's see how you'll fare. And yes, Israel did think about that - that's why gloves are off! You're putting the cart before the horse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, eyeball said: And that's exactly why Palestinians are fighting back. And that's exactly why it's only fair that Israel should use whatever force they deem necessary. Whoever say you shouldn't, is stupid! Instead of blaming Israel, our own PM should castigate Hamas for using their civilians. But of course, what does he know? I tend to believe the finger bowl analogy! Btw.....Trudeau should not apologise to Israel for how Canada had treated Jews during the time of Hitler. Israel should turn that down. It wouldn't be appropriate coming from Trudeau. It would be a hollow, hypocritical, vote-grabbing apology. Edited May 18, 2018 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 The force used appears to have been disproportionate. One does not need to be a supporter of Hamas to observe that. Of course, in this hysterical, screaming right-wing echo chamber any reasonable debate is hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 I would say the same thing to you and others in agreement. What exactly do you think would happen if those people did get into Israel, do you think for one minute that they wouldn't slaughter Israelis with impunity. But it's not okay for Israel to stop that. Don't riot, don't try to breach the fence and you won't get shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, scribblet said: What exactly do you think would happen if those people did get into Israel, do you think for one minute that they wouldn't slaughter Israelis with impunity. But it's not okay for Israel to stop that. The issue is what Israelis started decades ago - to which there's seemingly no end of consequences. What exactly did Israelis think would happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 On 5/17/2018 at 9:28 AM, PIK said: No country would allow a bunch of heavily armed people to storm a border crossing without a response. The only ones heavily armed were the Israelis. Burning tired and rocks don't seem like very effective weapons. However Israeli snipers simply picked them off like gophers. 21 hours ago, betsy said: There's nothing wrong in defending one's border. Especially from people who believes you don't have the right to exist. Palestinians can protest elsewhere. Where would they be able to protest? So when Jews one day said, screw it, we are now Israel and we will cut anyone in the face who says otherwise, is that defending borders? Or is that a land grab to create a nation? 2 hours ago, scribblet said: I would say the same thing to you and others in agreement. What exactly do you think would happen if those people did get into Israel, do you think for one minute that they wouldn't slaughter Israelis with impunity. But it's not okay for Israel to stop that. Don't riot, don't try to breach the fence and you won't get shot. Let Palestine become a nation. Then if they attack Israel, sure let them eat sand. But this is nothing more than an occupation. Israel does not want to give up that land, and I've said it before that eventually Israel will claim Gaza and the West Bank and move the borders out farther. It will happen. It's been happening ever since Jews started buying up land in the area. Israel has put itself into a really stupid position. If they allow Palestine to be a nation, they are screwed. If they claim all the land and make them Israeli's, that puts Jews in the minority again, and again, they are screwed. If they pull back to the 67 border, again they are screwed. Or so they say. I am not sure how a people can constantly put themselves in positions that threaten their own existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Israel has put itself into a really stupid position. If they allow Palestine to be a nation, they are screwed. If they claim all the land and make them Israeli's, that puts Jews in the minority again, and again, they are screwed. If they pull back to the 67 border, again they are screwed. Or so they say. I am not sure how a people can constantly put themselves in positions that threaten their own existence. Elimination of Palestinian people seems like their only out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 On 5/18/2018 at 12:40 PM, dialamah said: Elimination of Palestinian people seems like their only out. That' no better than the Nazi's putting Jews into camps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centerpiece Posted May 20, 2018 Report Share Posted May 20, 2018 (edited) Why isn't Hamas storming the Egyptian border blockade? How come we never hear of violent confrontations there? It's rhetorical - but really, it would be refreshing for the media to make that distinction. By the way, does anyone know how Egypt's 30 foot high Iron Wall is coming along - the wall to keep Palistinians from breeching the border or tunneling under ? Edited May 20, 2018 by Centerpiece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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