Doug Ford - leader of Ontario PCs

[Argus]

4 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

You wouldn't care if the Ford's had him offed if he was a drug-taking scumbag? And then a deflection to creative accounting? Good argument. How Trumpy of you!

As I recall that video there were a bunch of guys in it smoking crack and such. How many of them do you think appreciated that video being made public? And given the lifestyle of the guy who took it and made it public why do you presume his going missing or even being killed was done by the Fords? 

Because you hate the Fords? Not good enough.

[BubberMiley]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

As I recall that video there were a bunch of guys in it smoking crack and such. How many of them do you think appreciated that video being made public? And given the lifestyle of the guy who took it and made it public why do you presume his going missing or even being killed was done by the Fords? 

Because you hate the Fords? Not good enough.

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/12/04/rob_ford_crack_video_motive_for_smith_murder_police_told.html

Edited April 22, 2018 by BubberMiley

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

https://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2013/12/04/rob_ford_crack_video_motive_for_smith_murder_police_told.html

Did you even read your own cite? First, it never said the Fords were responsible, just that the video was responsible. As I pointed out, there were a lot of people in that video.  Also, even the suggestion that the video was responsible is denied by police. He was a gang member killed in a fight with other gang members. So what?

“Price stated that the male (Smith) died because of the phone,” the police documents state.

According to police information disclosed Wednesday, “this theory is not correct based on previous interceptions relevant to the murder of Smith.”

 

Edited April 22, 2018 by Argus

[BubberMiley]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

Did you even read your own cite? First, it never said the Fords were responsible, just that the video was responsible. As I pointed out, there were a lot of people in that video.  Also, even the suggestion that the video was responsible is denied by police. He was a gang member killed in a fight with other gang members. So what?

“Price stated that the male (Smith) died because of the phone,” the police documents state.

According to police information disclosed Wednesday, “this theory is not correct based on previous interceptions relevant to the murder of Smith.”

 

So did they ever figure out who was responsible?

[Argus]

4 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

So did they ever figure out who was responsible?

How would I know and why would I care? It's your story and your theory.

 

[BubberMiley]

11 hours ago, Argus said:

How would I know and why would I care? It's your story and your theory.

 

Yes, but it could have been a white guy that was killed. You would want to know what happened then.

[Argus]

4 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

Yes, but it could have been a white guy that was killed. You would want to know what happened then.

It was a gang member. Therefore, he wasn't white.

[BubberMiley]

There you go.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

There you go.

There are white street gangs in Toronto? As far as I'm aware ALL Toronto street gangs, and in fact, almost all of those urban street gangs in Canada are ethnic. Most in eastern Canada are black, made up largely of immigrants and the sons of immigrants/refugees from Somalia, Jamaica and Hait.

Edited April 23, 2018 by Argus

[Centerpiece]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

There are white street gangs in Toronto? As far as I'm aware ALL Toronto street gangs, and in fact, almost all of those urban street gangs in Canada are ethnic. Most in eastern Canada are black, made up largely of immigrants and the sons of immigrants/refugees from Somalia, Jamaica and Hait.

Are you saying that a disproportionate number of blacks are in street gangs? Surely, that must also be part of our institutional systemic racism! 

Edited April 23, 2018 by Centerpiece

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Centerpiece said:

Are you saying that a disproportionate number of blacks are in street gangs? Surely, that must also be part of our institutional systemic racism! 

Yeah. That's what I'm sure it is.

Toronto's street games mostly date to when Trudeau senior allowed a bunch of Jamaican nannies working in the area to apply for citizenship. They brought over their kids, first thing (naturally) but their kids hardly knew 'mom' who had been mostly absent from their lives for a long time. They were not happy in Canada, behind their age mates at school, and some of them banded together in groups which became gangs. There are other ethnic street gangs, of course, but as far as I know none are white.

[Centerpiece]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yeah. That's what I'm sure it is.

Toronto's street games mostly date to when Trudeau senior allowed a bunch of Jamaican nannies working in the area to apply for citizenship. They brought over their kids, first thing (naturally) but their kids hardly knew 'mom' who had been mostly absent from their lives for a long time. They were not happy in Canada, behind their age mates at school, and some of them banded together in groups which became gangs. There are other ethnic street gangs, of course, but as far as I know none are white.

That's mostly true but in addition, Jamaica is about a third the size of the GTA....maybe even smaller - yet they have about 1000 murders a year and the place is rife with guns and drugs. With lax immigration, "family unification" and overall visitors from Jamaica, you're bound to have a bunch of bad guys getting in. Of course Black Lives Matter doesn't care when blacks are killing each other.

[Centerpiece]

Just got back from Barbados so might have missed a few things.........but remember all the hubbub about the last Forum Poll that showed the Liberals narrowing the gap? The Star got quite a bit of mileage out of that one. Well, the latest Forum poll came out on April 19th and not only did it prove the last one was an outlier - but this one once again projects that Liberals would lose Party status. I couldn't find the poll anywhere in the Star but maybe I just missed it.......

Link: http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2838/ontario-horserace-april-2018

[BubberMiley]

15 hours ago, Argus said:

There are other ethnic street gangs, of course, but as far as I know none are white.

I guess the Hell's Angels and all their tattoo-faced puppet associates don't exist "as far as you know." Just don't let anybody tell you different and you can continue to feel righteous in your contempt of people of colour.

Edited April 24, 2018 by BubberMiley

[Argus]

11 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

I guess the Hell's Angels and all their tattoo-faced puppet associates don't exist "as far as you know." Just don't let anybody tell you different and you can continue to feel righteous in your contempt of people of colour.

The Hell's Angels are not a street gang. Its members, as vile as they might be, are not out there breaking into houses and stores, mugging and beating people on the street, or engaging in shootouts downtown. If you want to live on the safest block in a city, they say, live on the block where the Hells Angels are. No crime there. Nobody has ever said that about living near the gang house of a street gang.

And my contempt for people of colour is illusory on your behalf. I have far more contempt for the bigotry of low expectations you and all your type subscribe to.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

9 hours ago, Argus said:

 

And my contempt for people of colour is illusory on your behalf. I have far more contempt for the bigotry of low expectations you and all your type subscribe to.

Can you at least understand why people suspect you of prejudice?  You just gave a defence of the Hells Angels, for example.  It at least would cause people to be suspicious.  

[betsy]

44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can you at least understand why people suspect you of prejudice?  You just gave a defence of the Hells Angels, for example.  It at least would cause people to be suspicious.  

He's right.  Hell's Angels is more than just a street gang - unless you identify it as such simply because they ride their bikes on the streets!  

It's known and classified by cops as a CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION!   Activities by organized crime are more sophisticated.   What Hell's Angels represents is "organized crime syndicate" - your white, red-neck version.  

 

However.....street gangs are morphing.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2018 by betsy

[taxme]

On 4/23/2018 at 2:07 PM, Centerpiece said:

That's mostly true but in addition, Jamaica is about a third the size of the GTA....maybe even smaller - yet they have about 1000 murders a year and the place is rife with guns and drugs. With lax immigration, "family unification" and overall visitors from Jamaica, you're bound to have a bunch of bad guys getting in. Of course Black Lives Matter doesn't care when blacks are killing each other.

Is it just natural for blacks to want to kill blacks? Even in America in cities like Chicago and Baltimore blacks are killing blacks by the thousands every year. Just wondering. 

[taxme]

On 4/25/2018 at 1:45 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Can you at least understand why people suspect you of prejudice?  You just gave a defence of the Hells Angels, for example.  It at least would cause people to be suspicious.  

You should talk, teach. You always show as being quite prejudiced towards anyone who has a different opinion and point of view to yours.  No suspicion there. But hey.  

[bush_cheney2004]

Ontario, like the rest of Canada, is afraid to keep crime statistics based on "race"....too much political risk (remember Julian Fantino ).   

Instead, Canadian media will usually refer to FBI statistics "south of the border"....it's the Canadian way.

Edited April 26, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

On ‎4‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 4:45 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Can you at least understand why people suspect you of prejudice?  You just gave a defence of the Hells Angels, for example.  It at least would cause people to be suspicious.  

I've pointed out a reality. It is pointing out reality that offends people, because everyone feels the need to tiptoe delicately around unpleasant facts whenever they talk about minorities. I speak about such things in blunt terms and without apology. What I said about the Hells Angels is what I've read numerous times. They keep the block crime free because, well, you don't crap in your own bed, and you don't let anyone else do it either.

That does not suggest I approve of the Hells Angels. I've previously called for them all to be rounded up and imprisoned permanently, or even killed, as members of a violent organized crime group, after all.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

I've pointed out a reality. It is pointing out reality that offends people, because everyone feels the need to tiptoe delicately around unpleasant facts whenever they talk about minorities. I speak about such things in blunt terms and without apology. What I said about the Hells Angels is what I've read numerous times. They keep the block crime free because, well, you don't crap in your own bed, and you don't let anyone else do it either.

That does not suggest I approve of the Hells Angels. I've previously called for them all to be rounded up and imprisoned permanently, or even killed, as members of a violent organized crime group, after all.

Nobody said anything about being offended.  By rationalizing them against street gangs you lay out an obvious assumption for people that you are excusing them in the context of race.  It's a natural assumption.

[Argus]

16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Nobody said anything about being offended.  By rationalizing them against street gangs you lay out an obvious assumption for people that you are excusing them in the context of race.  It's a natural assumption.

Well, we were talking about street gangs because most of the violent crime is coming from them and their members. Most of the shootings in most cities are coming from street gangs. The Hells Angels are not a street gang. Saying that is no more a rationalization than saying the Mafia is not a street gang. Doesn't mean they're not scum all the same.

[taxme]

23 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Ontario, like the rest of Canada, is afraid to keep crime statistics based on "race"....too much political risk (remember Julian Fantino ).   

Instead, Canadian media will usually refer to FBI statistics "south of the border"....it's the Canadian way.

I don't doubt that. After all Canada has to look like a better place to live than America.

Ontario is in one hell of a mess thanks to the liberals, socialists and the red tories that have been running that province for decades now. When Ontario was once a mainly WASP province all the nonsense that goes on in Ontario today never existed. Ontario is a prime example of what happens to a province or country that votes for liberalism, socialism and multiculturalism. All three are a recipe for the destruction of the main culture and it's traditions of that province or country and where indecency and immorality is allowed to take over.

It truly is the Canadian way these days. 

[GostHacked]

On 4/19/2018 at 1:56 PM, BubberMiley said:

Doug Ford attacked the Star reporters for reporting the truth. If a Liberal politician was smoking crack with gangsters, you wouldn't be blaming the media for reporting on it.  The truth isn't right wing or left wing. They just did their jobs and you continue to attack them for it. Kind of pathetic, really.

He physically attacked people in city hall. He had a terrible drug habit that would get most people fired from their jobs. I can't say much for Doug F, but Rob F was like watching a tragic comedy.