Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Too funny, unfortunately the Trump supporters are incapable of understanding what that really means. They will follow him to the end of the Earth. What it means is that the Dems set this up to play the victim role and imply that Trump is hiding something. It is and was predicted - right down to Schumers exact words. They made it impossible to be released without redactions. Only a fool doesn't see the manipulation. The DOJ will work with the democrats to release something more honest. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: What it means is that the Dems set this up to play the victim role and imply that Trump is hiding something. It is and was predicted - right down to Schumers exact words. They made it impossible to be released without redactions. Only a fool doesn't see the manipulation. The DOJ will work with the democrats to release something more honest. You do know that Mueller is a republican eh? Let's wait and see what he releases. Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Omni said: You do know that Mueller is a republican eh? Let's wait and see what he releases. Yes, Republicans are very fair and honest people. Quote
Omni Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yes, Republicans are very fair and honest people. I'm sure many of them are. Too bad they chose Trump to lead them, or did they? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/how-republicans-ended-trump-n671666 Edited February 10, 2018 by Omni Quote
?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: What it means is that the Dems set this up to play the victim role and imply that Trump is hiding something. It is and was predicted - right down to Schumers exact words. They made it impossible to be released without redactions. Only a fool doesn't see the manipulation. The DOJ will work with the democrats to release something more honest. Yet the House Intel committee voted unanimously to release the Democratic memo. That committee is chaired by a Republican, and the Republicans have a majority of seats (13 to 9) on the committee. No, this is 100% on Trump trying to hide the facts from the American public, and only his lemming followers are fooled. Quote
?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: More information was to be released along with the Nunes memo to substantiate its claims, but the House Intel Committee voted against it. For the same reasons, national security. Give me a break. It was that same committee that voted unanimously to release the Democratic memo. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Omni said: You do know that Mueller is a republican eh? Let's wait and see what he releases. Do you even know what we're talking about? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Do you even know what we're talking about? Apparently we're talking about the memo scandal. I know it's complicated. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Omni said: Apparently we're talking about the memo scandal. I know it's complicated. YES, THE DEMOCRATS WROTE THE MEMO - NOTHING TO DO WITH MUELLER. IDIOT! Edited February 10, 2018 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
August1991 Posted February 10, 2018 Author Report Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) On 2/8/2018 at 7:12 AM, Michael Hardner said: .... It is not laughable, in fact its viable that a corruptable billionaire with no inkling he would win the election would engage with nefarious groups. This question is being investigated by people more intelligent than you or I right now. You are just short of being an intellectual, Auguste. You have a great imagination but just need to fix your careless vocabulary. Cheers. This is reaching back in the thread but point taken, Michael. I was careless with vocabulary. Really? Did Putin (Russians) try to influence/alter the result of the US election in 2016? Maybe but if so, which candidate would Putin have wanted to win in April 2016: Clinton, Rubio, Bush, Sanders, Trump.... Yet, my own PM was on the cover of GQ in April 2016. I can imagine which candidate he wanted to win. Aside from their preferred US president, whether Vladimir or Justin or any other foreigner were successful is another story - after all, there were 130 million "American" voters. Did Canada or Russia or any other foreigner decide the US 2016 presidential election? No. As usual, Americans chose their federal leader through a messy process that ultimately lead to a peaceful passing of the baton - in this case, between not dire enemies but from a man who ridiculed another. ========== Two last points: 1. Americans, take heart and be proud of your remarkable State. Foreigners want to influence your elections because they believe they can. 2. Political competition is such that Side A and Side B spy on each other. But no side should exploit in egregious fashion the powers of the State to spy on the other - let alone someone who is a Side C. Edited February 10, 2018 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, August1991 said: Aside from their preferred US president, whether Vladimir or Justin or any other foreigner were successful is another story Also true. 2 hours ago, August1991 said: 1. Americans, take heart and be proud of your remarkable State. And the sun never sets on the British empire. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 8 hours ago, ?Impact said: Give me a break. It was that same committee that voted unanimously to release the Democratic memo. Sure, take a break. I allow it... "We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018." - Letter signed by US Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray, which accompanied the White House response. Also,In declining to declassify the document, the White House also sent lawmakers a letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Wray, as well as a marked-up copy of the memo, laying out portions it considers too sensitive to make public. Among those passages are some that the Justice Departments says could compromise intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations and national security if disclosed.Link The media has been informed that once these "technical problems" are fixed, the memo will be released. That is all. Looking at the media stories with headlines like "TRUMP WILL NOT ALLOW MEMO TO BE RELEASED" shows how they manipulate the truth. They are not lying, but they portray it in such a way to get a rise out of the US public. Quote
Boges Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 I'm sure they used the same due diligence in releasing the Nunez Memo 1 Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Sure, take a break. I allow it... "We have further identified, in red boxes, the subset of such information for which national security or law enforcement concerns are especially significant. Our determinations have taken into account the information previously declassified by the President as communicated in a letter to HPSCI Chairman Devin Nunes dated February 2, 2018." - Letter signed by US Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray, which accompanied the White House response. Also,In declining to declassify the document, the White House also sent lawmakers a letter signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Wray, as well as a marked-up copy of the memo, laying out portions it considers too sensitive to make public. Among those passages are some that the Justice Departments says could compromise intelligence sources and methods, ongoing investigations and national security if disclosed.Link The media has been informed that once these "technical problems" are fixed, the memo will be released. That is all. Looking at the media stories with headlines like "TRUMP WILL NOT ALLOW MEMO TO BE RELEASED" shows how they manipulate the truth. They are not lying, but they portray it in such a way to get a rise out of the US public. And, Schumer giving the obligatory "what are they hiding" was even more fat to chew for the MSM. It's so transparent, that it's embarrassing. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/7/2018 at 10:34 PM, Omni said: Sorry to inform you but every single US intelligence organization has shown that the Russians at least attempted to influence the 2016 election. The US can bitch about it when they stop meddling in foreign elections themselves. The US tampers their own elections more than the Russians could ever do. 1 Quote
GostHacked Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...see above YouTube video as just one example. Why would prominent Liberal political hacks cross an international border to "help" a candidate in a foreign election if not for "shit disturbing", partisan reasons ? No better than invading several nations over the last decade to influence elections. Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Boges said: I'm sure they used the same due diligence in releasing the Nunez Memo You and Omni are here to have a good laugh. Quote
OftenWrong Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: And, Schumer giving the obligatory "what are they hiding" was even more fat to chew for the MSM. It's so transparent, that it's embarrassing. Yeah I noticed that one. Starts with "Millions of Americans are asking..." Amazing how he knows what "millions" are asking. This is classic psychological propaganda. 1 Quote
Boges Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 What are they hiding? It's interesting that they care what the FBI thinks about releasing classified information that may counter the Nunez memo, but the Nunez Memo was released without any redaction. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 What no one seems to be asking is this; Why, all of the sudden are the democrats and MSM fighting the FBI and DOJ's battles for them? 1 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boges said: What are they hiding? It's interesting that they care what the FBI thinks about releasing classified information that may counter the Nunez memo, but the Nunez Memo was released without any redaction. Well, the Nunez memo was written to expose the theory that the FBI seaked a FISA warrant with less than solid intelligence, therefore Nunez made sure to NOT have any reason for it to held back. The democrats wrote a rebuttle in which they added info that was sure to get screened. Do you honestly think that the gov't should use the "fair is fair" and release every detail? Maybe they should, but if the democrats really wanted it released without redactions, they would've wrote it in a way that didn't need redactions - they are smarter than that, they know what they're doing. You're being manipulated. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Boges Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 They should release the entire unedited transcripts from each FISA hearing since the Nunez Memo calls that into question. Let's see if the board really did ONLY use the Steele Dossier to make it's decision. I suspect there was other factors, but the GOP want to cherry pick that fact to undermine the investigation. Quote
?Impact Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Why, all of the sudden are the democrats and MSM fighting the FBI and DOJ's battles for them? There is no chicken/egg scenario here, it is 100% clear that the Republicans released the Nunes memo to start this. It is not about the democrats and MSM, it is about the Republicans trying to discredit the FBI and DOJ because they know that Trump is guilty. 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: You're being manipulated. That is for damn sure, but it is Trump/Nunes that are doing the manipulations. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, ?Impact said: There is no chicken/egg scenario here, it is 100% clear that the Republicans released the Nunes memo to start this. It is not about the democrats and MSM, it is about the Republicans trying to discredit the FBI and DOJ because they know that Trump is guilty. That is for damn sure, but it is Trump/Nunes that are doing the manipulations. If it's not about the democrats, then why are they carrying water for the FBI and DOJ. This is the party that was calling the entire justice system racist not too long ago - remember. Now they think that the FBI and DOJ are about question? Really? And, as far as discrediting the FBI, I'm pretty sure that given the facts as they are today, that's already been done. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 7 hours ago, August1991 said: ...Aside from their preferred US president, whether Vladimir or Justin or any other foreigner were successful is another story - after all, there were 130 million "American" voters. Did Canada or Russia or any other foreigner decide the US 2016 presidential election? No. As usual, Americans chose their federal leader through a messy process that ultimately lead to a peaceful passing of the baton - in this case, between not dire enemies but from a man who ridiculed another. Agreed....and in the end...it was just another American election, with such large mass and inertia that any attempted influence by Russian, Canadian, or any other foreign interlopers has minimal consequence. Any foreign impact storyline just gets absorbed into the political Borg to be used as ammunition against the other side. America has already started on the next election cycle...it is business and spectacle that only gets bigger. Coke...or Pepsi ! Quote 1. Americans, take heart and be proud of your remarkable State. Foreigners want to influence your elections because they believe they can. 2. Political competition is such that Side A and Side B spy on each other. But no side should exploit in egregious fashion the powers of the State to spy on the other - let alone someone who is a Side C. Yes...this is the key point...foreigners have always wanted a piece of the U.S. political process, and the U.S. most certainly takes a bite out of elections in other nations. But the power of the State used to nefarious advantage in domestic elections is not politically acceptable. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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