Argus Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: You have fascist groups on one side, who chant anti-Semitic and racist slogans. You have peaceful groups opposing them, as well as some trouble makers who react with violence. You have more than fascist groups on the right. This apparently developed as a "Unite the Right' event to protest those who want to judge historical figures by the moral standards of today. The statue being the centerpiece. But when it became evident the Nazis and White Supremacists were going to be there most of the other right and alt-right groups cancelled out. Some did show up, however, but you never saw them on TV because TV likes to show fights and brawls and people wearing helmets and carrying Nazi flags. On the other side, you had a lot of peaceful groups, by far the majority, but not all of them were peaceful. Again, the ones who the cameras were drawn to were the violent hard left who came to fight, equipped with weapons, shields helmets and masks. 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: There is no reason to defend the fascists here. They had the right to march and they did. Their message is odious and provokes nutbars to attack and give them attention. But there isn't equivalence here. In terms of their views you are probably right. In terms of the violence (aside from that one scumbag in the car) I'm not sure you are. I've seen a lot of these hard left groups in internet videos and they have the righteous indignation of the messianic young, and the steely determination to smite the sinner. Which is basically anyone who supports Trump or conservatism. The big difference here was that unlike other places, you had an incompetent police force which did little to keep the two sides separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 One thing common to zealots is that their absolute belief in their rightness justifies anything they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Argus said: So you don't have a problem with someone grabbing a club and a helmet and a mask and beating up anyone they think is a racist? That would include anyone questioning immigration, by the way, or multiculturalism, or saying unkind things about Islam. No, but why are people that have those relevant concerns at a Rally with the KKK trying to keep a statue of General Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted August 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) On 15.08.2017 at 9:14 AM, Altai said: Okay now US trying to remove an old British commander's statue from somewheres where the violent protests happens. Then some racists (probably pro-Britain guys) held a protests and attacks around and one of them crashes people by car. Who is this person crash people, does he have a British root in his family tree ? I also remember that Britain said they cut the intelligence partnership with US when a terror attack was happened in Britain, they said US didnt warn them despite US knew more details. So US prepared some attacks in London brindge, and I remember a building was burned. Then a US copter crashed and many Us soldiers died and I remember another US copter crashed at Australia (another British colony). Now US may want to assassinate some British diplomats as a response to Charlottesville riots. Maybe France involves in the events to provoke African-American people as they did in Ferguson events which was a response for Charlie Hebdo. etc etc etc... I am teaching you how to look at the events. On 15.08.2017 at 9:22 AM, Altai said: Oh by the way, yesterday a restaurant and hotel was attacked in Burkina Faso, 17 people murdered including some Canadians and 1 Turkish guy. So this was another response by US. Why it was Burkina Faso, because its a France colony. The restaurant was belong to Turks, hotel was belong to French. Turkiye and France is working together in some points against US and US is disturbed by it. On 15.08.2017 at 10:53 AM, Altai said: Another attack done in France yesterday. A car crashed into a restaurant. Killed a kid and wounded 12 others. According to the claims the driver had no history with intelligence. 22 hours ago, Altai said: President Erdogan made a phone conversation with France's represantive Marcon. 10 British soldiers are killed in Syria and US military copter crashed. You cant find these things in news. You can only hear from me Ops sorry, there is some news about the copter. Edited August 16, 2017 by Altai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: If you have any examples then ok. What's the point? You are just going to keep denying that what you said was not what you really meant just to try and save your azz. Maybe I should start calling you a snowflake. It just may work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Boges said: No, but why are people that have those relevant concerns at a Rally with the KKK trying to keep a statue of General Lee? You suggested it was wrong to criticize the anti-racist groups for opposing racism. Some of them oppose racism with force, and see racism in a wide variety of areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Boges said: No, but why are people that have those relevant concerns at a Rally with the KKK trying to keep a statue of General Lee? Maybe because that statue is a part of their heritage and history, and they just want it left there. Many Presidents in the past owned slaves. Shall we now start tearing down statues also of those presidents, uhmm? What do you have to say to that, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonJowett Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, taxme said: Shall we now start tearing down statues also of those presidents, uhmm? What do you have to say to that, eh? That slippery slope arguments are always ridiculous and don't account for the fact that people can make rational decisions. Put simply, gay marriage didn't lead to us marrying dogs after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes...it is. And I would expect Canadian nationalist, white or otherwise to push back now, and for the 2019 elections. The open borders globalists and socialists will shout down and beat up those who do not agree with their agenda. G. Soros has his communist thugs ready set go at a moments notice as soon as any Canadian nationalist group dares to speak up for white nationalism. In Canada Soros has complete control of the situation and there will be no white nationalism rallies allowed here in Canada. Plus he has the puppet on a string Canadian politicians and the left wing liberal media party in his hands who will immediately start attack and to condemn those nationalists. Canada has been bought and sold. In Canada liberal leftists communists are allowed to speak freely without anything happening to them. They will never be attacked and condemned no matter how much violence they may commit. Apparently, Soros and JT are buddies. JT was pictured sitting with Soros at some meeting that went on between them. In Canada speaking the truth is no a defence. At least that is what that leftist liberal communist outfit called the Canadian human rights commission believes in and has said that speaking the truth is no defence. If you are a white nationalist you don't stand a chance against the HRC of ever being acquitted of your right to freedom of expression. You screwed, man. Hopefully this illegal criminal invasion of Canada by people who should not be allowed into Canada in the first place will be our feminist PM's downfall. But with Canadians these days they appear to enjoy getting kicked in the azz and ask for more from their politicians. Just saying. Edited August 16, 2017 by taxme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LonJowett said: That slippery slope arguments are always ridiculous and don't account for the fact that people can make rational decisions. If they stand up to the irrational. I posted earlier a group of progressives trying to cover up the statue of Teddy Roosevelt and demanding it be removed from a museum in New York. And we have a similar thing here with the statue of Cornwallis. Slippery slope is not an irrational argument. It's why we have to have freedom of speech for Nazis. Because if we let them be banned, who'll come next? Edited August 16, 2017 by Argus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, LonJowett said: That slippery slope arguments are always ridiculous and don't account for the fact that people can make rational decisions. Put simply, gay marriage didn't lead to us marrying dogs after all. Most of these monuments were put up after Jim Crow during the 20's and 30's, not soon after the Civil War. They were part of an attempt to re write history in themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Just look at them! Especially near the end of the video - they're in a frenzy! It's like watching a riot in a correctional...or insane asylum. Edited August 16, 2017 by betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, taxme said: Maybe because that statue is a part of their heritage and history, and they just want it left there. Many Presidents in the past owned slaves. Shall we now start tearing down statues also of those presidents, uhmm? What do you have to say to that, eh? Thanks Taxme Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 33 minutes ago, Argus said: You suggested it was wrong to criticize the anti-racist groups for opposing racism. Some of them oppose racism with force, and see racism in a wide variety of areas. I think Neo Nazis and the KKK are one of those areas where we can let Black Bloc tactics slide. Or at least not make moral equivalencies when a few of those Anti-Racism protestors get run over by a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Boges said: I think Neo Nazis and the KKK are one of those areas where we can let Black Bloc tactics slide. Or at least not make moral equivalencies when a few of those Anti-Racism protestors get run over by a car. That's short term thinking. You can't exempt anyone from the right to express their views and demonstrate peacefully in public without surrendering freedom of speech. I don't personally regard the Nazis as a threat to our society. Those who want to impose their own views by force, who want to restrict freedom of speech they find offensive, are more dangerous, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, LonJowett said: That slippery slope arguments are always ridiculous and don't account for the fact that people can make rational decisions. Put simply, gay marriage didn't lead to us marrying dogs after all. No, it is not a slippery slope argument. Those Soros communist thugs could very well be paid to now demand that those statues of past president slave owners torn down and it could very well happen. What makes you so sure that it cannot happen? The sexual revolution going on in Canada making gay marriage legal may well one day lead to Canada making beastiality legal in Canada. In Canada anything that now has something to do with some kind of a weird sexual fetish perversion about it is pretty much a go these days by our dear fearless politically correct politicians. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: That's short term thinking. You can't exempt anyone from the right to express their views and demonstrate peacefully in public without surrendering freedom of speech. I don't personally regard the Nazis as a threat to our society. Those who want to impose their own views by force, who want to restrict freedom of speech they find offensive, are more dangerous, IMO. This is sort of like a dog chasing its tail. Are counter protests infringing on freedom of speech, or just another example of freedom of speech? In this instance, only once side resorted to murder. Those KKK dudes with the Tiki Torches got their message out, they certainly weren't silenced by a bunch of "Alt-Left" hippies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Boges said: No, but why are people that have those relevant concerns at a Rally with the KKK trying to keep a statue of General Lee? They have their own reasons why. Do they need the alt left's approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boges said: This is sort of like a dog chasing its tail. Are counter protests infringing on freedom of speech, or just another example of freedom of speech? In this instance, only once side resorted to murder. Those KKK dudes with the Tiki Torches got their message out, they certainly weren't silenced by a bunch of "Alt-Left" hippies. They are infringeing on the freedom of speech if they're trying to intimidate people from speaking up, or trying to prevent them from being heard (like the way alt left tried to block people from attending Trump's campaign rally)! Why do they have to counter protest at the same site, at the same time? Edited August 16, 2017 by betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, betsy said: They have their own reasons why. Do they need the alt left's approval? No, but the "Alt Left" isn't obliged to let them do whatever they want unquestioned, because first amendment. But if I went to a protest and saw Neo Nazis and Klansmen, I'd really question the company I'm keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, betsy said: They are infringeing on the freedom of speech if they're trying to intimidate people from speaking up, or trying to prevent them from being heard (like the way alt left tried to block people from attending Trump's campaign rally)! Why do they have to counter protest at the same site, at the same time? Seems like they got the word out, we all know why they were mad. Would you be appalled if the KKK counter-protested a BLM protest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Boges said: No, but the "Alt Left" isn't obliged to let them do whatever they want unquestioned, because first amendment. But if I went to a protest and saw Neo Nazis and Klansmen, I'd really question the company I'm keeping. No one's stopping the alt left from giving their side. It's not for the alt left though, to try to prevent the al right from doing their rally, just because they (left) question the message. Question at their own rally........how is that difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Boges said: Seems like they got the word out, we all know why they were mad. Would you be appalled if the KKK counter-protested a BLM protest? I'd be appalled at any group that tries to intimidate anyone from speaking out, and that includes the BLM. The BLM had lost their credibility, in my opinion. They've become the black counterpart of white supremacists. They're not protesting - they're rioting. Especially when they take offense about saying ALL LIVES MATTER! Edited August 16, 2017 by betsy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Hahahaha! Oh the poor "nazi".........he looked lost! Edited August 16, 2017 by betsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Once more, this homicide has a mental health angle: https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/08/14/james-alex-fields-jr-man-accused-of-ramming-car-into-charlottesville-protesters-denied-bail.html I'm more spooked by the torchlight procession and the chanting they were doing. Not too many 'good people' there by the looks of things, Donald. This movement is gathering steam. Edited August 16, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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