Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 Quote Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia. Officials said "an administrative measure" had been taken, but gave no reason why. Turkish media said authorities had asked Wikipedia to remove content by writers "supporting terror". Turkey has temporarily blocked social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, usually following protests or terror attacks. The Turkey Blocks monitoring group said Wikipedia was unreachable from 08:00 (05:00 GMT). People in Istanbul were unable to access any pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). A giant step backwards in open democracy IMO. I haven't seen any reaction yet, but there should be one. Citizens of a country who support such measures do get what they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Can we leave NATO please? Or at least kick Turkey out? How much of this nonsense must occur before the people in power realize that an alliance with Erdogan doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 NATO needs to threaten to remove Turkey from NATO if they don't wise up their act, or else just remove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 24 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: NATO needs to threaten to remove Turkey from NATO if they don't wise up their act, or else just remove them. Way past the point of "threaten to remove". After the referendum, Turkey is now a full-fledged dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Where's Altai when you need her. No doubt she would explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Totally futile attempts to try to curb access to information. If the internet had been invented a few decades earlier the regimes of the former Eastern-bloc countries would have been overthrown sooner than in 1989. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 11 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said: Can we leave NATO please? Or at least kick Turkey out? How much of this nonsense must occur before the people in power realize that an alliance with Erdogan doesn't make sense. You're talking about people who would happily keep us aligned with the likes of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States. I hear you but, I think Turkey probably still has a long way to fall before it comes to us leaving Nato or asking that Turkey be given the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) LOL. Wikipedia is hardly a significant assault on information or freedom. Erdogan long ago took away press freedom in his country, jailed hundreds of reporters, and labelled anyone who criticizes him as a 'terrorist supporter'. Tens of thousands of police, judges, teachers, bureaucrats and military officers have been labelled 'terrorist supporters' and lost their jobs, if not their freedom. Now you know why Trump admires guys like Erdogan and Putin. Don't think for a moment the petulant, vindictive old orange haired man wouldn't be doing the same in the US if he could get away with it. Nothing would please him more than to shut down CNN, the New York Times and the Washington Post as 'fake news'. Edited April 30, 2017 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-1=e^ipi Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, eyeball said: You're talking about people who would happily keep us aligned with the likes of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States. Yep, I just love how our politicians like Trudeau, Harper and Mulcair have no problem with being allied with a country that labels me a terrorist for being atheist, wants my gay friends killed, thinks apostates should be killed, beheads women that go shopping without a male escort, and funds wahabbism/salafism, which leads to the creation of groups like ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab and Al Nusra. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Unfortunately, due to our failed first past the post system, we don't really have much choice when it comes to elections. Edited April 30, 2017 by -1=e^ipi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 20 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: NATO needs to threaten to remove Turkey from NATO if they don't wise up their act, or else just remove them. IF the west has not broken ties with Saudi Arabia, there won't be any broken ties with Turkey. If (and to me it's a matter of when) Turkey falls, then you have a bigger problem in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 28 minutes ago, GostHacked said: IF the west has not broken ties with Saudi Arabia, there won't be any broken ties with Turkey. If (and to me it's a matter of when) Turkey falls, then you have a bigger problem in Europe. Turkey has virtually no oil reserves or oil production, Saudi Arabia is the opposite. Turkey is only a game piece in the broader strategy. They have value in their geographic location and area influence. That's the only reason they're in NATO to begin with. Turkey is so strategic because it borders Greece, and is the the only land gateway into Europe from Asia/Africa/Middle east besides Russia. ie: literally 100% of Syrian refugees would have had to go through Turkey or Russia to get into other European countries like Germany/France by land. Why would Turkey fall? Just another middle-east/3rd world dictatorship in the making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 That's my take on it, Turkey is nothing more than a land strategic point. The resources are south all over the Middle East. NATO ect, Look at Turkey like Russia looks at Ukraine, pipelines to Europe. That means money. Since the Russians are not wanting to play the Petrodollar game anymore, they'd rather call their own shots and trade in whatever currency they like. Nations like Afganistan, Turkey and I guess Ukraine are more looked at as 'transfer nations' , meaning the resources flow through them since they are not resource rich. Controlling where the flow is, is almost as good as owning the resources. The goal is some more destabilization which requires military might to protect the resources and the pipelines through the 'transfer nations'. Overall working great for NATO as it puts itself closer and closer to Russia's borders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queenmandy85 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Democracy is not a prerequisite for membership in NATO. Greece was a military dictatorship in the early 1970's. Turkey voted to change the constitution. That is democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: Democracy is not a prerequisite for membership in NATO. Then NATO really has no point and Canada has no business being part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 NATO is obsolete anyway. Has been since 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 57 minutes ago, -TSS- said: NATO is obsolete anyway. Has been since 1991. Wasn't Finland considering joining NATO recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altai Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) On 29.04.2017 at 10:34 PM, Wilber said: Where's Altai when you need her. No doubt she would explain it. LuoL why are you asking for something which you will reject to accept facts about it ? Wikipedia is blocked because they are preparing pages which makes Turkiye look like working with terror organizations. There are also other obligations. They have to open a representation office in Turkiye, they cant operate without doing that. They have to obey court decisions, they have to obey international laws. They should stop banning Turkish moderators when they correct false informations. They should stop preparing pages for money which they receive from some lobies. You Westerners need to learn that you cant operate here in my country under the cover of "freedom of press", "freedom of access to information" slogans. Stop trying to terorise my country, we are quite friendly people Edited August 4, 2017 by Altai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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