Army Guy Posted February 20, 2017 Report Posted February 20, 2017 Vice President gives NATO members another warning, if your spending 2 % or more then you need to pressure other nations into doing it as well, if you have a plan to spend 2 % then you need to accelerate it . and if you don't have a plan ,"get one" dead line is 2018...... Already our PM has said we are stepping up to the plate with troops.....this is how our nation pays makes it's contributions...Bullshit....how can Canadians expect to be part of an alliance that states in it's constitution that each member "MUST" spend a minimum of 2 % GDP....it also states it must provide troops and equipment when asked to do so......not one or the other..... Currently Canada spends less than .99% of GDP....I wonder, what Trump and trudeau talked about during their first meeting....we know NAFTA was on the table, what we don't know is if defense spending was a topic.....and if so what was said....one would have hoped the clear and transparent Liberal government would not keep us in the dark.....But then again, what do we know we still speculating about the admiral firing...... Perhaps this is what our country needs is to be forced to spend our share of defense costs for our defence pacts we have signed onto....We know this is going to kick most Canadians in the balls as it is their least favorite topic.....I just hope the trump administration keeps it's word, by applying the right pressure .....Now the US has already said pay up or the US will pull out, and if that is the case , then NATO will become a toothless organization with out them. So how does this effect Canada....well Canada will have to decide if it's european partners are worth spending any funding on, we all know the answer to that one, Canadians are not worth it , how will euro's make out........Or will they also decide to pull out.....One can also say that Canada will atleast have to pick up it's share of the Norad Tab, which is currently is less than 10 % today.....But the US might also ask to pony up for our share of Naval and Army costs to protect North America.....either way, those sunny days are over for all the major parties riding the wave to the beach might have a cost to it........Canada will have to pay its share of the Defense of this nation....instead of free loading , and doing squat with all that funding we save by being cheap bastards....... 4 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted February 20, 2017 Report Posted February 20, 2017 Canada shouldn't spend an extra dime on NATO until America deals with its Trump issue. Then we can review it. 1% seems about the correct amount to spend though. We have other priorities (health, education, etc). 1 4 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) U.S. Defense Secretary "Mad Dog" Mattis said it best....VP Pence is sending the same message to all the NATO deadbeats (like Canada). Quote “Americans cannot care more for your children’s future security than you do,” Mr. Mattis said in his first speech to NATO allies since becoming defense secretary. “I owe it to you to give you clarity on the political reality in the United States and to state the fair demand from my country’s people in concrete terms.” “America will meet its responsibilities,” he said, but he made clear that American support had its limits. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/world/europe/jim-mattis-nato-trump.html?_r=0 Edited February 21, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Canada shouldn't spend an extra dime on NATO until America deals with its Trump issue. Then we can review it. 1% seems about the correct amount to spend though. We have other priorities (health, education, etc). When you sign a contract for admitance to a defensive pact for 2 % , then that means the correct amount is 2 %want to change that then go back to the table........don't like it then get out of NATO.....it's really that simple....We have been free loading for the last 40 plus years, and have pissed away all that funding on stupid shit.....want things like health care , education then dig deeper into your pockets.....can't have the cake and eat it as well..... Besides what are you liberals worried about, last month you said we could spend tens of bils with little effect on national debt, just think of how many jobs we could create, it's a liberal dream really.....win win....now all the arm chair critics will finally have something to complain about..... 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Meh... Canada will spend what we want to spend... and we'll be part of NATO... maybe we'll pay some lip service to an increase until the Trump goes away. No one will be in favour of increased taxes to fight more American conflicts. 5 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: .it's really that simple No... it's not... only in your head is it that simple! lol 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: last month you said we could spend tens of bils with little effect on national debt where did I say that??? 3 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 President Trump is not the first to point out NATO spending deadbeats like Canada and Germany. Obama said the same thing...in Ottawa. Next time, don't call the USA to tow Canada's broke dick ships back to port. 3 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, The_Squid said: No... it's not... only in your head is it that simple! lol where did I say that??? Not you my bad it was SmallC.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Next time, don't call the USA to tow Canada's broke dick ships back to port. We will ask... and you'll tow them. Just like we let your planes land and took care of your people during 9/11. We'll keep helping you guys catch drug smugglers in the Caribbean Sea... We're always doing those kinds of things for each other. That won't stop. 1 1 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
?Impact Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Just to make things clear, doubling our spending on defence means a 7% increase in federal revenue (income tax, sales tax, tariffs, etc.) across the board. 2 Quote
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, ?Impact said: Just to make things clear, doubling our spending on defence means a 7% increase in federal revenue (income tax, sales tax, tariffs, etc.) across the board. Ain't going to happen... 1 1 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Meh... Canada will spend what we want to spend... and we'll be part of NATO... maybe we'll pay some lip service to an increase until the Trump goes away. No one will be in favour of increased taxes to fight more American conflicts. I guess we will see if Trump is going to keep his word......And if the US does not want to remain part of NATO, because it is full of deadbeats, and Americans are tired of paying all the bills it is free to do so.....this will force Europe to rethink it's military defense spending pretty much over night.....The next question for Canada will be what does this mean for Canada..... You can't be thinking that if the left Europeans to defend themselves that would not state to Canada the same response about the defence of NA.....do you really think uncle sam is going to continue to look the other way..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: ...The next question for Canada will be what does this mean for Canada..... It means NORAD will be revisited as well. Canada is rapidly losing even basic defense capabilities, let alone expeditionary forces. 3 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: Just to make things clear, doubling our spending on defence means a 7% increase in federal revenue (income tax, sales tax, tariffs, etc.) across the board. Then i guess the federal government will be looking at all the books and making adjustments......The US government has already said, the deadline is 2018, if you have a plan excellerate it, if you dont have a plan get one......no where did it say, Sorry mister i simple can't do that.....Canada will be shown the door if it does not come up with a plan that works for everyone. 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Canada already covers more than its fair share of NATO. 6.6% That's plenty. More than most NATO members... We'll pay lip service to an increase in defence spending until Trump is gone. We certainly don't want to be helping the USA when its not even clear if Russia is having undue influence on American politics/defence policy. 4 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It means NORAD will be revisited as well. Americans get more out of NORAD than we do. You want it, you pay for it. 2 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Ain't going to happen... You can say what you want, but i bet this is going to cause some long nights for disco JT and is remarkable hair.....but i will bet you a lonney that there is going to be changes within our military.....and annual funding is one of them....get your check book out .... 2 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
?Impact Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Then i guess the federal government will be looking at all the books and making adjustments......The US government has already said, the deadline is 2018, if you have a plan excellerate it, if you dont have a plan get one......no where did it say, Sorry mister i simple can't do that.....Canada will be shown the door if it does not come up with a plan that works for everyone. Yes Sir, Mr. Trump Sir. How high Sir. Would you like me to get on my knees Sir? 2 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 The U.S. should ally with Russia instead of deadbeat Canada....the Russians spend lots more on defense. 2 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ?Impact said: Yes Sir, Mr. Trump Sir. How high Sir. Would you like me to get on my knees Sir? Thats what happens when you free load for over 40 plus years.....time to pay the piper, hope you brought knee pads, your going to be there awhile.... 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 President Obama called Canada out directly on this...in Canada: Quote Obama was also unambiguous about urging Canada to pay its "full share" to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) — a remark that spurred head-nodding and applause from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/06/30/obama-canada-nato-summit-poland_n_10752806.html 3 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Americans get more out of NORAD than we do. You want it, you pay for it. Do you even know what Norad even covers.....odds are you don't....and they pay for over 90 % of it now......don't worry though it's not going to be like that in the future.... 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
The_Squid Posted February 21, 2017 Report Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: Thats what happens when you free load for over 40 plus years.....time to pay the piper, hope you brought knee pads, your going to be there awhile.... Canada will always do what is in Canada's interest... we don't give away our sovereignty that easily... It's unpatriotic to hope that the country will just roll over to the USA. Just now, Army Guy said: don't worry though it's not going to be like that in the future Then they won't get their air defence systems in our country. Simple. 1 1 Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, The_Squid said: Canada will always do what is in Canada's interest... we don't give away our sovereignty that easily... It's unpatriotic to hope that the country will just roll over to the USA. Then they won't get their air defence systems in our country. Simple. Canada has no sovereignty, we have looked after that by allowing our military to be depleted todays condition.....So yes we have already given all of that away, to the US as they pay the bills and look after things....as for the Unpatriotic to hope our nation will roll over to the USA....."*******" is my reply......... i spent 34 years in the service defending my country, hoping one day something like this would happen, some one would force our nation to give just one percent of the effort, time, and blood, sweet, and tears that our military gives this country every day.....I did not sit in my comfy chair in the basement, watching porn, and talking what is patriotic and what is not ,on public forums.... no sir i was living the dream..... They don't need air defense systems over canada, they'll defend themselves by destroying missiles and threats over Canada.....The AD systems they wanted to install would see all that stuff destroyed over the arctic.....either way the US is going to defend itself..... Edited February 21, 2017 by Michael Hardner profanity 3 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 21, 2017 Author Report Posted February 21, 2017 this is what our PM calls heavy lifting..... http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/is-canada-really-doing-the-heavy-lifting-at-nato-like-trudeau-claims 2 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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