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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Who is then?

Exactly.  Where did this ex MI6 agent get this intelligence?  In your own link:

 

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But intelligence is not evidence, and Steele would have known, better than anyone, that the information he was gathering was not fact and could be wrong. In the smoke-and-mirrors world of counterespionage, there are few certainties.

Those caveats do not appear on the documents – but they are given by Steele as a warning to prospective new clients.

 

 

Again, the MSM have become the birthers.

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Posted (edited)
37 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Exactly.  Where did this ex MI6 agent get this intelligence?  In your own link:

 

 

Do you think he is going to tell you? The point is, he is very well respected as a straight shooter by his peers. Do any intelligence agencies reveal their sources? Do you think the CIA, FBI and MI6 don't know who their sources are? Wikileaks  and Assange on the other hand  don't have to reveal any of their sources to you. You just take their claims as gospel and never question their motives.

 

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Posted

It's not a news story unless it can be substantiated.  That's journalism 101.  That's why Obama's "ties" to extreme people in the 70's was not reported on, and rightly so.  Believe what you want, but what we have here is members of the MSM becoming the birthers they scorned and mocked.

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1 minute ago, sharkman said:

It's not a news story unless it can be substantiated.  That's journalism 101.  That's why Obama's "ties" to extreme people in the 70's was not reported on, and rightly so.  Believe what you want, but what we have here is members of the MSM becoming the birthers they scorned and mocked.

If this guy actually is the source and is who people say he is, I think there is every likelihood that at least some of it will be substantiated. I think your boy has feet of clay and you are panicking. Time will tell.

"Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC

Posted
3 minutes ago, sharkman said:

It's not a news story unless it can be substantiated.  That's journalism 101.  That's why Obama's "ties" to extreme people in the 70's was not reported on, and rightly so.  Believe what you want, but what we have here is members of the MSM becoming the birthers they scorned and mocked.

Exactly and for those outlandish reports, there is zero corroboration which hurts the credibility.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Wilber said:

If this guy actually is the source and is who people say he is, I think there is every likelihood that at least some of it will be substantiated. I think your boy has feet of clay and you are panicking. Time will tell.

Nobody is panicking except for leftists trying to bury trump and end up getting egg on their face

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Posted
2 minutes ago, blueblood said:

Nobody is panicking except for leftists trying to bury trump and end up getting egg on their face

It took two years for Watergate to bring down Nixon, this isn't over by a long shot. 

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On 11/01/2017 at 1:48 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

I for one hope that Trump does have closer ties with Putin/Russia

And what kind of gift could President Trump afford to buy this friendship from dear Vladimir? A large bag of chocolate?:lol:

I guess, Ukraine at least, the whole Eastern Europe at best....:P

Posted
1 minute ago, xul said:

And what kind of gift could President Trump afford to buy this friendship from dear Vladimir? A large bag of chocolate?:lol:

I guess, Ukraine at least, the whole Eastern Europe at best....:P

 

Whatever Trump wants.....the U.S. does not exist to protect lesser gods and nations from Putin/Russia.   Europe can pay to take care of itself.

Economics trumps Virtue. 

 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Wilber said:

It took two years for Watergate to bring down Nixon, this isn't over by a long shot. 

Trump could very well get into a large scandal involving his company.  But a fake piss story possibly started by some guy at 4chan ruins the credibility of people who are buying it.

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15 minutes ago, blueblood said:

Trump could very well get into a large scandal involving his company.  But a fake piss story possibly started by some guy at 4chan ruins the credibility of people who are buying it.

I think the alleged "golden shower" will turn out to be the least of his worries.

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1 hour ago, blueblood said:

Trump could very well get into a large scandal involving his company.  But a fake piss story possibly started by some guy at 4chan ruins the credibility of people who are buying it.

They know who started it. The 4chan excuse was from before he was identified. Try to keep up.

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I reported here, that "grapevine" had info. that the British agent had come out and said it wasn't true, and tried to get on get a interview on the US programs but the feds wouldn't allow him on.....then its reported he says it true, BUT gone into hiding, apparently from the Russia or is it from the British and certain Americans? We don't know actually why he has disappeared and all parties involved could be after him for their own reasons but  since there no actual evidence, don't we have to sided with Trump is telling the truth?

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BBC is reporting today there are now multiple intelligence sources claiming that the Kremlin has numerous tapes and audio, including the golden showers tape. Christopher Steele is in hiding for fear of assassination by the Kremlin or by Trump operatives. And Trump had a press conference where he openly lied that he had no ties to Russia whatsoever. This is getting good.

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Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, sharkman said:

Again, the MSM have become the birthers.

How? The birther lunatics (including Trump) kept suggesting Obama wasn't born in the US, which was false, and they had no evidence.

The media have reported that there is a memo alleging the Russians have compromising evidence on Trump they could use to blackmail him, and that the president and president elect as well as congressional leaders had been briefed on the memo.

What part of that is wrong?

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Posted
14 hours ago, sharkman said:

It's not a news story unless it can be substantiated.  That's journalism 101.

It is a news story that the CIA briefed the president and congressional leaders on this memo. That makes it newsworthy.

"A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley

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4 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

BBC is reporting today there are now multiple intelligence sources claiming that the Kremlin has numerous tapes and audio, including the golden showers tape. Christopher Steele is in hiding for fear of assassination by the Kremlin or by Trump operatives. And Trump had a press conference where he openly lied that he had no ties to Russia whatsoever. This is getting good.

Yeah, I found it strange where he said he had no ties to Russia. I've seen lots of suggestions over the last year that he had ties with Russia, and owed money to some Russians.

The truth, as several columnists and reporters have painstakingly shown since the first hack of a Clinton-affiliated group took place in late May or early June, is that several of Trump’s businesses outside of Russia are entangled with Russian financiers inside Putin’s circle.

So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

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i know everyone is skeptical of foxnews, but watch objectively and krauthammer gives a reasonable opinion of what's going on.  (Yes the interviewer lets bias show)

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Posted
2 hours ago, Argus said:

America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians.

Quote. Unquote. That's okay though. It means "better ties with Russia" as opposed to "massive conflict of interest." /s

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Posted
2 hours ago, Argus said:

It is a news story that the CIA briefed the president and congressional leaders on this memo. That makes it newsworthy.

The CIA briefs the president and Congress every week on all kinds of threats that are not substantiated, and if the press got their hands on the chemical, nuclear and bomb threats and released it to the public, there would be mass hysteria.  The many terrorist threats to the US are not newsworthy either.

Posted
2 hours ago, Argus said:

How? The birther lunatics (including Trump) kept suggesting Obama wasn't born in the US, which was false, and they had no evidence.

The media have reported that there is a memo alleging the Russians have compromising evidence on Trump they could use to blackmail him, and that the president and president elect as well as congressional leaders had been briefed on the memo.

What part of that is wrong?

They have become the birthers because they are chasing a conspiracy theory.  That's all it is at this point.  They hate Trump, and are letting that bias colour their coverage of him.  You're fine with that, because you hate him too.  But you're not fine with the love in the Canadian MSM is giving to Trudeau.  Same exact thing.  The leader of Canada should be covered with objectivity.  When he goes off on vacation and most of the media doesn't care about the unethical details until someone finally blows the whistle, that's wrong too.  Media bias.  

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7 minutes ago, sharkman said:

They have become the birthers because they are chasing a conspiracy theory.  That's all it is at this point.  They hate Trump, and are letting that bias colour their coverage of him.  You're fine with that, because you hate him too.  But you're not fine with the love in the Canadian MSM is giving to Trudeau.  Same exact thing.  The leader of Canada should be covered with objectivity.  When he goes off on vacation and most of the media doesn't care about the unethical details until someone finally blows the whistle, that's wrong too.  Media bias.  

The difference, of course, is that Trump's birtherism had no evidentiary support. This dossier did not originate on 4Chan or through the racist whims of a deranged mind. It was put forward by a respected Mi6 spy who has built a career on Russian intelligence. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-russia-dossier-ex-mi6-spy-christopher-steele-highly-regarded-colleagues-a7525056.html) The other difference is you can't exactly blame the MSM because they have been reluctant to report any of the details. None of them are following up on the BBC's report today that there are multiple intelligence sources corroborating Steele's story. You also have the fact that Trump is acting very, very guilty by lying about his ties to Russia and his relationship to Putin. Who in the media has called him out for those lies? There is also the suspicious detail of his henchman Michael Flynn making repeated contact with the Russian ambassador after they were told to leave the U.S. Were you even aware of that?

Media bias, indeed. But the ones crying about it are the ones benefiting.

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