Cold war redux

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Argus said:

Where is the evidence or even the complaint from any country about the US using hacking to influence their election?

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/what-did-john-f-kennedy-do-for-the-history-of-canada-plenty-experts-say

[dialamah]

56 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because it is largely partisan fodder....Americans know that the U.S. spies on everybody, intercepts emails, influences foreign elections, etc. far more than the Russians.

Still think there was a time when the US would have united to condemn this action by Russia and would have stood united behind their President's actions.   Instead there is partisan bickering and weird statements about how it didn't happen, or of it did the election wasn't identifiably affected so it doesn't matter, and anyway the losing presidential candidate was worse.      

Although if the States is coming to the conclusion that what goes around comes around and is now wanting to take their lumps, I guess that could be considered an improvement over the previous hypocrisy.  

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, Argus said:

Where is the evidence or even the complaint from any country about the US using hacking to influence their election?

The World Trade Center...the one from the Before Times that is.

Edited December 30, 2016 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Still think there was a time when the US would have united to condemn this action by Russia and would have stood united behind their President's actions.  

 

Some people still do so, but it is silly given the complete record on such things.  Hacking an email account is child's play.

[Moonlight Graham]

Obama grows a pair of stones with 3 weeks left in his admin to stand up to both Netanyahu and Putin.  What a coward.  This will all be reversed in 3 weeks by Trump, that's the only reason he did it.  If Clinton won you can be sure neither of these 2 actions would have been done by him.

This is basically like giving the middle finger to your boss on your last day of work before you retire. Too little too late, but probably feels good for Obama!  I guess this is also a check-mark he can put on his legacy.  One of Obama's biggest flaws has been him allowing Putin and Netanyahu to boss him around and make him look like a fool & a coward.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[Smallc]

29 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Obama grows a pair of stones with 3 weeks left in his admin to stand up to both Netanyahu and Putin.  What a coward.  This will all be reversed in 3 weeks by Trump, that's the only reason he did it.  If Clinton won you can be sure neither of these 2 actions would have been done by him.

Obama has been putting ever increasing pressure on Russia.  It isn't a new thing.  I agree with you about Netanyahu.

[Moonlight Graham]

7 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Yes...the Russians must be rather bemused and perplexed by this accusation by Obama, Hillary and Kerry.

Well it goes to show why Russia dislikes the US so much.  The US doesn't exactly endear itself to Russians.  They keep adding NATO member states closer and closer to Russia (talk about Cold War sabre rattling), have talked about building a missile defense system in Europe etc.

But then, Russia also isolates itself.  It seems to not want anything to do with the EU etc.  It wants to remain independent I guess.  Seems like a major failure in US foreign policy over the last 25 years for not bringing Russia into the rest of the western world, though I suppose you can drag a horse to water but can't make it drink.  Seems like Putin, over anything, is a Russian nationalist, very pro-Russian...and Trump is like a US version of Putin, must be a reason why the get along.

Edited December 31, 2016 by Moonlight Graham

[-1=e^ipi]

12 hours ago, drummindiver said:

Have you seen the evidence proving their culpability?

 

Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. US intelligence is 100% reliable.

[Moonlight Graham]

4 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. US intelligence is 100% reliable.

The US also killed Bin Laden and dumped his body in the ocean.

[DogOnPorch]

4 hours ago, -1=e^ipi said:

 

Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. US intelligence is 100% reliable.

 

2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The US also killed Bin Laden and dumped his body in the ocean.

From 2014...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10913275/Isis-storms-Saddam-era-chemical-weapons-complex-in-Iraq.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/saddam-era-chemical-weapons-now-under-isis-control-reports-1705144

"Saddam era chemical weapons complexes"....hmmm.

Saddam had WMDs. Even used them during the Iraq-Iran War and on Kurds. Plus, he sought devices like 'Super Guns'.

Saddam didn't have a working nuke...no. All that yellow cake BS was just BS. But we KNOW Israel dropped an egg on Saddam's nuke program previously. Which sure existed THEN.

Am I defending Bush? No...I was against Iraq...I was for Afghanistan.

 

[drummindiver]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

The World Trade Center...the one from the Before Times that is.

ah,  the good old they deserved that killin. 

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

You can't trust a single history book.

That's why they make you read MANY of them.

Yes but they still can't make you understand them.

[Argus]

15 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Obama grows a pair of stones with 3 weeks left in his admin to stand up to both Netanyahu and Putin.  What a coward.  This will all be reversed in 3 weeks by Trump, that's the only reason he did it.  If Clinton won you can be sure neither of these 2 actions would have been done by him.

No, they would have been done by Clinton, who is way tougher than Obama.

[Argus]

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Well it goes to show why Russia dislikes the US so much.  The US doesn't exactly endear itself to Russians. 

Damn them for responding to Russia's violent agression on its neighbors! Don't they know you never confront dictators! You should simply be nice to them, given them what they want, placate them. Hey, it worked quite well in the 1930s...

[Argus]

Matthew Fisher, who has been in the midst of things far and away more than any of us, says Putin is basically trying to recreate the Soviet Union - whose fall he has described as the worst tragedy of the twentieth century. And for those who seem determined to believe this is all an American creation, I don't think it was America which caused the Swedes to go back on a war footing, to prepare their fallout shelters and to re-institute conscription. They're over there unlike we comfortable Canadians, and they don't like what they're seeing from Russia.

Still, no Soviet leader has had it as easy with the U.S. as Putin has. The serious mischief Putin has caused along the old East-West fault line in Eastern Europe and the new one in the Middle East has provoked no stronger rebuke than ineffective sanctions. The current crisis over U.S. charges that Russia’s security services have launched unprecedented cyber warfare against Washington and the Kremlin’s position that this accusation is a naked lie, suggests the Emperor of all the Russias is becoming bolder. To paraphrase Churchill, an Iron Curtain is once again descending across Europe.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/matthew-fisher-putin-is-making-it-easy-to-spot-the-iron-curtain-descend-again-25-years-after-soviet-union-fell