Argus Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Believe me...I'm unbiased. What reason do I have to be biased against Trump? You know my opinion on Muslim immigration, and I have also said the US needs to secure its southern border. I am hardly a liberal. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, Argus said: What reason do I have to be biased against Trump? You know my opinion on Muslim immigration, and I have also said the US needs to secure its southern border. I am hardly a liberal. Please... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Like what is a Jumbo Shrimp? You're as biased as the next. Your "reputable news sources" aren't special. As opposed to what? If you trust nothing then you know nothing. If you trust organizations that are not reputable then you probably know less than nothing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, Argus said: As opposed to what? If you trust nothing then you know nothing. If you trust organizations that are not reputable then you probably know less than nothing. You're full of straw. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Please... That's not an answer. I am completely politically correct and conservative. Why would I be against Trump unless it was simply based on my watching and listening to him and reviewing what he's done in his life? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 Mene, mene, tekel, Upharsin...as the ol' saying goes, Argus. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, DogOnPorch said: You're full of straw. Hey, you're the one arguing the position that Obama's actions against Russia are unjustified. And you're arguing it because you don't believe all the evidence because you don't trust anyone. Is it all a liberal plot even though a lot of conservative republicans support Obama? http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-ryan-idUSKBN14I1WJ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 20 minutes ago, Argus said: Because the US failed to veto a resolution calling the settlements illegal - which every western country has been saying for decades - he's thrown Israel under the bus? I'm getting threats from the mods. Time to stop. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 No need to stop the discussion, just stop the personal jabs thanks. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
drummindiver Posted December 30, 2016 Author Report Posted December 30, 2016 13 minutes ago, dialamah said: I see those newstories too; they're a lot more prevalent than the newstories that talk about what the investigations have actually found. Why do you suppose thats so? Hillary is no longer relevant so trying to use her to excuse Russian hacking makes no senze. Again I am left wondering why (some) Americans are so willing to overlook even the possibility that a foreign power was hacking into government systems. Can you explain that? Without the hacks some think Hillary would be president, right? It just seems like something right out of a Tom Clancy novel. Doesn't seem like it would happen in real life. Quote
Smallc Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 18 minutes ago, drummindiver said: Without the hacks some think Hillary would be president, right? It just seems like something right out of a Tom Clancy novel. Doesn't seem like it would happen in real life. Tom Clancy got his ideas from somewhere. Quote
drummindiver Posted December 30, 2016 Author Report Posted December 30, 2016 Just now, Smallc said: Tom Clancy got his ideas from somewhere. So did L Ron Hubbard but it doesn't mean theyre based in fact or in something that could happen. Quote
eyeball Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Smallc said: 'Security Experts' are employed by the FBI and CIA as well - they seem to disagree with the 'experts' that you're citing (without a citation) You're kidding right? There have been multiple rounds of sanctions from multiple western countries, including Canada under Harper. This attack on American democracy is the most egregious example, and many 'security experts' (actual ones) feel that the response by the Obama administration was far too tame, and should have included cyber military attacks. So where are the sanctions against the US for all the hacking and interfering they commit? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, dialamah said: I know; the American security agencies are just Democrat-driven organizations who will put their country at risk to discredit the GOP. Amiright? There's a "lefty" under every bed and in every closet in the land. We must be vigilant. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Smallc Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, drummindiver said: So did L Ron Hubbard but it doesn't mean theyre based in fact or in something that could happen. Except we know that this did happen. That you live in a world where an actual attack on US democracy is equivalent to fantasy writing is telling. Quote
Smallc Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, eyeball said: So where are the sanctions against the US for all the hacking and interfering they commit? I don't know, where are they? Quote
eyeball Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 59 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: I don't trust a f---ing thing...no. What about your history books? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
drummindiver Posted December 30, 2016 Author Report Posted December 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: There's a "lefty" under every bed and in every closet in the land. We must be vigilant. Yes, because none of these organizations have ever been influenced by the people in power. Quote
dialamah Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 36 minutes ago, drummindiver said: It just seems like something right out of a Tom Clancy novel. Doesn't seem like it would happen in real life. Espionage exists, even outside of Tom Clancy novels. The link I posted earlier says that private security has found evidence of Russian hacking into gov't servers for the last 15 years. Perhaps government is at fault for being unaware and/or uncaring, but I'm still mystified that the American people aren't a lot less partisan about this now that its been brought to light so to speak. On the other hand, I don't get any network news feeds out of the States any more so maybe there's more of a non-partisan uproar than I'm aware of. Quote
eyeball Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Smallc said: I don't know, where are they? MIA it seems. Maybe it's justifiable when Americans do it. What do you think? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
DogOnPorch Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, eyeball said: What about your history books? You can't trust a single history book. That's why they make you read MANY of them. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 2 hours ago, dialamah said: ..... Perhaps government is at fault for being unaware and/or uncaring, but I'm still mystified that the American people aren't a lot less partisan about this now that its been brought to light so to speak. Because it is largely partisan fodder....Americans know that the U.S. spies on everybody, intercepts emails, influences foreign elections, etc. far more than the Russians. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because it is largely partisan fodder....Americans know that the U.S. spies on everybody, intercepts emails, influences foreign elections, etc. far more than the Russians. Yes...the Russians must be rather bemused and perplexed by this accusation by Obama, Hillary and Kerry. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Because it is largely partisan fodder....Americans know that the U.S. spies on everybody, intercepts emails, influences foreign elections, etc. far more than the Russians. But where's the patriotic fodder that says it's only okay when Americans do this? Why doesn't everybody seem to know that? Maybe it's just such a given it goes without saying. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted December 30, 2016 Report Posted December 30, 2016 44 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yes...the Russians must be rather bemused and perplexed by this accusation by Obama, Hillary and Kerry. Where is the evidence or even the complaint from any country about the US using hacking to influence their election? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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