Omni Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't mind paying taxes...do you ? 70% of Canada's oil/bitumen production is foreign owned...that benefits me. Trump can make lots more "deals" to bring American jobs back from Canada and Mexico, taxes be damned. And that's why this little Carrier deal has Trudeau worried....if Trump & Congress cut corporate taxes from 35% to 15%, Canada is hosed. If Trumps adds 35% tariffs...Canada is hosed. If Trump ignores the Paris Treaty, Canada is hosed. We'll see what kind of "deals" Trump makes. If he cuts corp. rate to 15%, you will get hosed. I think Trudeau's biggest worry is if Trump decides to visit Ottawa. I imagine many world leaders are cringing at the thought of how to dumb things down enough to entertain Donny boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Just now, Omni said: We'll see what kind of "deals" Trump makes. If he cuts corp. rate to 15%, you will get hosed. I think Trudeau's biggest worry is if Trump decides to visit Ottawa. I imagine many world leaders are cringing at the thought of how to dumb things down enough to entertain Donny boy. But dumb things down they will, and no other nation in the world will be so dependent on what Trump does than Canada. Japanese PM has already kissed Trump's ring, and he isn't even the president yet. Who will "create" more jobs....Trump or Trudeau ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Omni said: We'll see what kind of "deals" Trump makes. If he cuts corp. rate to 15%, you will get hosed. I think Trudeau's biggest worry is if Trump decides to visit Ottawa. I imagine many world leaders are cringing at the thought of how to dumb things down enough to entertain Donny boy. Because they are so smart and Trump is dumb? I though Trump had a Neil Armstrong-like IQ in the 150s...maybe that's fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But dumb things down they will, and no other nation in the world will be so dependent on what Trump does than Canada. Japanese PM has already kissed Trump's ring, and he isn't even the president yet. Who will "create" more jobs....Trump or Trudeau ? Trump could start by bringing his own business interests home from Mexico and China. He might then begin to get some credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Because they are so smart and Trump is dumb? I though Trump had a Neil Armstrong-like IQ in the 150s...maybe that's fake. I think it's either fake, or generated by Trump U (which of course also makes it fake) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Omni said: Trump could start by bringing his own business interests home from Mexico and China. He might then begin to get some credibility. Who will "create" more jobs...Trump or Trudeau ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Omni said: I think it's either fake, or generated by Trump U (which of course also makes it fake) So you're going with Trump = Stupid. I wonder if he knows where Estonia is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 47 minutes ago, cybercoma said: So about Carrier......... Yeah, it's not easy for some lefties to stay on topic what with all the hand wringing. I think Trump may do this kind of deal periodically until he can get the tax rates and such adjusted. Sunny ways! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 35 minutes ago, sharkman said: I think Trump may do this kind of deal periodically until he can get the tax rates and such adjusted. Sunny ways! He's probably going to have to do it more than periodically now that he's signalled that you just have to threaten to leave and you'll get a sweet deal if you back down just a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Canada will be hosed. Wongly, though, as we are the only people in NAFTA who actually play by the rules. The US has set itself up to be the target of very biased trade - particularly from China - and needs to get back to work and protect what little is left of the capitalist economy. It is granting Wall Street unlimited privilege to play at Casino Capitalism under the very mistaken belief in speculative gains as "economic activity" that exacerbates the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 51 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Because they are so smart and Trump is dumb? I though Trump had a Neil Armstrong-like IQ in the 150s...maybe that's fake. Trump has never had his IQ measured. The statement that it's in the 150s comes from Trump, nobody else. Paying companies not to move jobs is corporate welfare. Ultimately, it's a losing game. If you were a conservative you'd understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 So forcing companies that move workers over seas but still sell their products here to pay a tariff is a bad thing now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Argus: thanks for pointing that out. BUT: what makes you think that Trump is a "conservative"?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Argus said: Trump has never had his IQ measured. The statement that it's in the 150s comes from Trump, nobody else. Paying companies not to move jobs is corporate welfare. Ultimately, it's a losing game. If you were a conservative you'd understand that. Ontario does it all the time with the Auto Industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Boges said: So forcing companies that move workers over seas but still sell their products here to pay a tariff is a bad thing now? I know, right ? Isn't that the big bad threat that some Canadians make if foreign companies leave ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Boges said: So forcing companies that move workers over seas but still sell their products here to pay a tariff is a bad thing now? Ever do any business in China??? You have no idea what protectionism looks like - and since China is a predatory trader and the one that has bankrupted the American economy, I am sad to say that counter-tarrifs on ANYTHING that is damaging the real US economy is fair game at this point. Yes, the may well cause a worldwide trade war and "depression", but that is something we need to hang on people who allowed trade without any kind of demand on equivalent standards being met by imported products and their production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 55 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: So you're going with Trump = Stupid. I wonder if he knows where Estonia is? I think if you listened to any of his debates or campaign speeches one would have to conclude such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Who will "create" more jobs...Trump or Trudeau ? Trump seems to be creating a number of jobs for retired military guys. You know, guys who call themselves "Mad Dog" and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Omni said: Trump seems to be creating a number of jobs for retired military guys. You know, guys who call themselves "Mad Dog" and such. Right....so how many has Trudeau "created" ? Trudeau wants to create more jobs in St. Louis (Super Hornets). Edited December 2, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, cannuck said: Canada will be hosed. Wongly, though, as we are the only people in NAFTA who actually play by the rules. That's what happens when a nation becomes so dependent on one export market, and is slow to diversify. No wonder Trudeau blinked on NAFTA before Trump is even inaugurated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Right....so how many has Trudeau "created" ? Trudeau wants to create more jobs in St. Louis (Super Hornets). St. Louis, Wisconsin, Ft. MacMurry and the western Canadian provinces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannuck Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: That's what happens when a nation becomes so dependent on one export market, and is slow to diversify. No wonder Trudeau blinked on NAFTA before Trump is even inaugurated. Quite true. One the Super Hornets, though, a significant portion of that production will be done no doubt in Quebec - as part of the Federal government's full time job of pandering to its every whim to keep them in confederation (and no doubt feed the machine that kicks back a significant amount of money to the political machine). We don't need an air superiority fighter, as our role is covered by MRCA far better. "Creating jobs" in Canada is just like Obama did with QE - brag about corporate welfare handouts deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, cannuck said: One the Super Hornets, though, a significant portion of that production will be done no doubt in Quebec - as part of the Federal government's full time job of pandering... Why not, a few weeks ago it seemed that every topic somehow drifted into a Trump discussion so now we can have Trump topics drifting into Quebec politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 36 minutes ago, Argus said: Trump has never had his IQ measured. The statement that it's in the 150s comes from Trump, nobody else. Paying companies not to move jobs is corporate welfare. Ultimately, it's a losing game. If you were a conservative you'd understand that. You see, this illustrates the problem for me: you're right because you say you're right. Myself, I don't believe YOU, either. I'm not a Conservative...nor a Liberal/NDP/Green. I'm a pirate...yo-ho-ho. I don't belong to your world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 2 hours ago, cannuck said: Argus: thanks for pointing that out. BUT: what makes you think that Trump is a "conservative"?? He's not. But all those who profess to be his admirers here seem to be styling themselves as conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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