betsy Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 What's up with this "charm offensive" with the USA? I picture Freeland batting her eyelash at Tillerson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuroKrym Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 Russia's aggression against Ukraine has led to RF international isolation, including NATO's suspension of all practical cooperation with Russia. http://eurokrym.ho.ua/06al/ Annexing a neighboring country’s territory by force, Putin overturned in a single stroke assumptions on which post-Cold War European order has rested. [email protected] UkraiNATO Create Army half a Million with an Independent Financial System. Referendum in Ukraine: a Return Nuclear Status! http://eurokrym.ho.ua/05pr/nato.html Moscow's takeover of Crimea brazenly defied UN Charter, seizing a part of Ukraine's sovereign territory by military force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Charm this. Quote The official versions of the calls have noted the usual niceties exchanged between world leaders and mutual invitations for visits. But in a long interview Trudeau gave in December to a Montreal radio station, he hinted that the atmosphere on the Trump call may not have been as warm as expected. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/02/02/what-we-know-so-far-about-trumps-phone-calls-with-foreign-leaders/?utm_term=.40580cb4b01c I suppose, Justin's expectations are too high. Silly boy. Edited February 10, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 10, 2017 Report Share Posted February 10, 2017 2 hours ago, EuroKrym said: Russia's ... This is beginning to looks like SPAM. Similar posts in many threads, and unrelated to the topic in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 With all the rallies protesting Trudeau's abandonment of his promised electoral reform - maybe Trump will be tweeting: "I'm a man of my word. I keep my promise." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Check this out! US border guards to be given more power on Canadian soil! Quote Pre-clearance bill would give U.S. border agents in Canada new powers Bill to expand border co-operation could also see permanent residents denied re-entry to Canada U.S. border guards would get new powers to question, search and even detain Canadian citizens on Canadian soil under a bill proposed by the Liberal government. Legal experts say Bill C-23, introduced by Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, and likely to pass in the current sitting of Parliament, could also erode the standing of Canadian permanent residents by threatening their automatic right to enter Canada. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pre-clearance-border-canada-us-1.3976123 Could this be a pro-active response to Trump's policy on border security? It comes on the eve of Trudeau's meeting with Trump. The peace-offering? Perhaps the Liberals know that border security is THE contentious issue - and the first one to be brought up on the table. That trade talks hinges on that issue. Perhaps, Trump already hinted on that in his conversations with Trudeau. Edited February 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, betsy said: ...Could this be a pro-active response to Trump's policy on border security? It comes on the eve of Trudeau's meeting with Trump. The peace-offering? Could be, but things were moving this way even before Trump was elected. It appears that the U.S. can up the ante because some Canadians have a very strong desire or need to enter the United States: Quote While Greenberg agrees the law has troubling aspects, he says it may be the price Canadians have to pay to keep their uniquely privileged status when entering the U.S. Edited February 12, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Funny how just now, CBC McNeil asked correspondent who's in USA, what Trump would want from Canada - and not even once was the issue of border security mentioned. Edited February 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) What's John Ibbitson talking about on Sunday Scrum, that all Trudeau has to do is display his usual "charm?" What charm? Trump isn't Obama, you know. IF ONLY Trudeau stayed away from such highly publicized bromantic display with the OUTGOING Obama, and refrained from taking any potshots at Trump....... .....and if only Trudeau did what Japan PM did right after Trump got elected, visited Trump at his tower prior to his inauguration...... .....then I bet, we'd be in good footing with the Trump administration. Ibbitson said something real, though. USA does not need Canada to trade. USA - with 300 million people, is self-sufficient. Furthermore, Trump didn't romance Japan for nothing. We've already missed the boat, folks. Whether we like it or not, Trudeau is going to Washington in a panic, doing some damage control (damage created by his own stupidity)........ and he's going to be doing some brown-nosing. Edited February 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) And McNeil seems to ridicule Sarah Palin on the possibility that she could be the Ambassador to Canada. All these condsecending laughter.... ....well just for that, I do hope it's Palin. And somebody shows her tapes of Canadian guffaws about her. Let's see who'll be laughing. Edited February 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Canada's state broadcaster (CBC) is openly soliciting U.S. border crossing stories for trending content now that President Trump is clamping down on terrorists, illegals, and overstays. Quote Have you had a more difficult time entering the United States in recent weeks? Have you been denied entry? Tell CBC News about your border experience. email [email protected] http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/rights-canada-united-states-border-1.3978699 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 The US embassy in Ottawa is America soil (just like the Canadian embassy in Washington is Canadian soil). Should the pre-clearance area in Canadian airports be considered US soil? Once you enter the US customs and immigration area, you have made the choice to enter the US. Nobody is dragging you into there, you enter of your own free will. Your intent is to enter the US and comply with their laws, the only issue is where is the line? If I board a commercial flight to the US, but decide before it crosses the border that I want to turn around do I have the right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) John Baird, with McNeil on CBC, just pointed out to Shinzo Abe's diplomacy as a good example. Baird (who seemed to know Trump) advised that Trudeau must not say anything against Trump's domestic policy - that Trump is the type that holds a grudge. Too late. Imho. Edited February 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) McNeil mentioned something about Trump, "looking into Canada's Immigration and Refugee Protection policy." Not quite sure if she was musing about it, or she's saying it. Edited February 12, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 The idea that a foreign official could detain me in Canada is disturbing to say the least. Some of these US border people are rude ignoramuses to start with. I've seen them shouting at quiet travellers. Now we can't just walk away if we encounter some idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 A couple of days prior to Trudeau's meeting with Trump, bill c-23 was introduced by the Liberal government. Being a majority government, It's already a done deal - this gives US border agents more powers on Canadian soil. Trudeau stated at the joint press conference that they're going to improve our immigration system. I would bet my money on this that border security was brought up, and this was a concession on the part of Trudeau. Canada will be forced to do a thorough screening/vetting of all refugees/immigrants they bring to Canada. If ever a refugee terrorist manage to enter the USA thru Canada - just imagine the repercussions on our borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The idea that a foreign official could detain me in Canada is disturbing to say the least. Some of these US border people are rude ignoramuses to start with. I've seen them shouting at quiet travellers. Now we can't just walk away if we encounter some idiot. That's why I'm convinced that this was done as part of methods to appease Trump regarding security borders. Trudeau has also stated that they will improve our immigration system. When you have reckless Liberals who want open borders - the Trump factor is good for Canada. Thank God Trump is the US President. Edited February 14, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, betsy said: That's why I'm convinced that this was done as part of methods to appease Trump regarding security borders. Trudeau has also stated that they will improve our immigration system. We should forget about vetting system. I say let's kick them all out. They will infest our culture and values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, betsy said: That's why I'm convinced that this was done to appease Trump regarding security borders. Perhaps, but the timing for such things suggests that it pre-dates Trump back to Obama. Canada was identified in 2011 as a significant terrorist U.S. entry threat. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadian-border-a-bigger-threat-u-s-official-1.1006942 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Perhaps, but the timing for such things suggests that it pre-dates Trump back to Obama. Canada was identified in 2011 as a significant terrorist U.S. entry threat. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadian-border-a-bigger-threat-u-s-official-1.1006942 Damn! We should start deporting them back to their country. What use are they for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said: We should forget about vetting system. I say let's kick them all out. They will infest our culture and values. Folks that are already citizens - they are ours now. They are Canadians. Assimilation should be pushed, and every would-be immigrant that comes to Canada must be thoroughly vetted, and be compatible with our values. Trump admin will surely come up with effective ways to vet and screen - we have to be in-step with them. Edited February 14, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Perhaps, but the timing for such things suggests that it pre-dates Trump back to Obama. Canada was identified in 2011 as a significant terrorist U.S. entry threat. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadian-border-a-bigger-threat-u-s-official-1.1006942 But how come it got introduced again? The US approved it last December - so it must have sat in limbo? Quote Legal experts say Bill C-23, introduced by Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale, and likely to pass in the current sitting of Parliament, could also erode the standing of Canadian permanent residents by threatening their automatic right to enter Canada. The bill would enshrine in law a reciprocal agreement for customs and immigration pre-clearance signed by the governments of Stephen Harper and Barack Obama in 2015. Both houses of Congress passed the U.S. version of the bill in December. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pre-clearance-border-canada-us-1.3976123 Edited February 14, 2017 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Goh Shenas said: They will infest our culture and values. What value system, I certainly don't share your desire to drop atomic bombs on people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, betsy said: But how come it got introduced again? This is a continuation of harmonizing CanAm entry and border security measures. PM Harper and Obama admins were doing this stuff routinely. Note that in 2011, no-fly lists were not shared....but perhaps they are now. Also, since 2011, U.S. Homeland Security reported illegal Canadian overstays in a very public way...that was under Obama. Part of the pressure on Canada has to do with not appearing "biased" towards Mexican/Hispanic illegals. Edited February 14, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted February 14, 2017 Report Share Posted February 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, betsy said: Folks that are already citizens - they are ours, now. They are Canadians. Assimilation should be pushed, and every would-be immigrant that comes to Canada must be thoroughly vetted, and be compatible with our values. Trump admin will surely come up with effective ways to vet and screen - we have to be in-step with them. You are too soft! That's what liberals say.. Regardless of their citizenship their values are not the same as ours. They don't look the same. They should be rounded up and packed to where they came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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