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For a group of people that are supposed to "protect" us by doing such a dangerous job, they really can't handle people being anything less than reverential for what they do eh?

http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/12/cleveland-browns-isaiah-crowell-police/

Cleveland Browns player Isaiah Crowell's apology for a tasteless social media attack on cops is falling on deaf ears -- and in fact, police tell TMZ Sports ... they'll pull out of the Browns' stadium in protest.

Crowell got blasted for posting an illustration last week of a cop getting his throat slashed by a masked person. He posted it on Wednesday -- after Alton Sterling andPhilando Castile's deaths, but the day before 5 Dallas officers were shot and killed.

The running back deleted the post and the Browns demanded he publicly apologize, which he did.

But Stephen Loomis, President of Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association, thinks the "store-bought apology" isn't enough. "He needs to go to Dallas, help the families who lost their loved ones last week, write them a check, look them in the eyes and give a heartfelt apology."

Loomis says Crowell's post was as "offensive as putting a picture of historical African-American men being hung from a tree in the 60s." He adds that if Crowell doesn't go to Dallas and make a donation, "I will pull Cleveland officers, sheriffs, state troopers out of First Energy Stadium this season if he doesn't make it right."

Not defending what dude did, but Dafuq? Holding the team hostage for the actions of one player? This is thin-skinned BS. I'm sure Mr. Loomis would be happy to co-operate if he was asked to help out the family Tamir Rice in exchange for funding to pay his officers.

But then we have this story with a group of WNBA players that did something quite inclusive and peaceful. But not good enough for thin-skinned cops!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/us/wnba-minnesota-lynx-black-lives-matter-shirts/index.html

Members of the reigning WNBA champions wore the black-and-white shirts during warm-ups before a game Saturday against the Dallas Wings.
"Change starts with us. Justice & accountability," the front of the shirts said. On the back, the T-shirts showed the names of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, two African-American men killed by police last week. It also displayed the Dallas Police Department emblem and the phrase, "Black Lives Matter."
The message reportedly didn't sit well with Minneapolis officers who were working off-duty, providing security at the event.
Four of them walked off the job that night and removed themselves from a list of officers working future games, according to the Star Tribune, which cited a local police union leader.
Lt. Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, did not immediately respond to a request from CNN for comment.
In an interview with the Star Tribune, he praised the officers' move, adding that others may follow suit.
Kroll criticized the Lynx players, the Star Tribune said.
"Rushing to judgment before the facts are in is unwarranted and reckless," he said, according to the newspaper.
In a statement Tuesday, Minneapolis police Chief Janeé Harteau said she understands how the off-duty officers felt but does not condone their actions.

If cops step forward to do a dangerous job, they should do it for its own rewards and not demand unconditional support from the public in order to do their job. It's evidence that they're really not interested in serving and protecting, they're interested in holding power of the population.

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Cops have massive power egos because people get scared whenever they see cops, and cops can get away with literally murder because people don't know their rights or the law and are too scared to say anything to a cop that they might not like. Cops also hold major power over us ie: anyone stopped in a car, because if you don't suck up to the cop he can use his power to give you a ticket when he could just give you a warning etc. If you whip out a camera on a traffic stop most cops wouldn't like that so they may give you a ticket rather than a warning just because they don't like you. And if they are accused of wrongdoing they have the system and fellow cops to back them up.

Thankfully we have cellphones and youtube now to finally keep them accountable. I think every single interaction between a police officer and a member of the public should be video & audio recorded by both sides, and some kind of legal protection guaranteed so that cops can't use their power to intimidate away the use of that right. I think cops should be legally obligated to tell anyone they're interacting with that they have the right to video or audio record that interaction. People don't even know they have the right to record cops. While a cop can't confiscate a cellphone without reason and/or warrant, there should be very severe punishments including very significant jail time for any cop who takes the phones of citizens without due cause, which happens constantly because they know people dont know the law. Phones are the only thing citizens have to protect themselves from their abuse of power.

People don't know their rights. When a cop asks what your name is, people don't even know that you don't have to tell them, unless you're in a vehicle or in an area where carding is legal. People don't know that you can walk away from a cop asking you questions at any time unless he says you're being detained or under arrest, both of which they need valid reasons to due so & can't do on a whim. Further to the OP, cops just aren't used to people saying no to them.

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I know...right ? People love to bitch about the police until they need them...or want them.

Also, the police have more latitude in Canada for questioning perps, but some people watch so much American television they think they have "Miranda" rights.

Well it's their job.

The point is that cops want to withdraw their services if they don't feel completely accepted. That's not part of the deal. They're paid to "protect" people with public money whether they like you or not.

And Miranda rights has nothing to do with the OP.

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Well it's their job.

The point is that cops want to withdraw their services if they don't feel completely accepted. That's not part of the deal. They're paid to "protect" people with public money whether they like you or not.

Talk to their unions...same as any other public sector union. As the Dallas chief said, cops are not responsible for intercepting and solving all of societies pathologies with soft, kid gloves. It is a difficult occupation and they are not always working with the finest citizens.

And Miranda rights has nothing to do with the OP.

Neither did the other rant, but that didn't bother you, right ?

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Its the politicians who have the softest skin. Their never ending fearfulness of appearing soft on crime has led directly to an hardening of attitudes - it was pretty obvious where crackin' down and gettin' tough would lead us.

Police brutality is just another aspect of the meaner sort of animals one can expect to find around the shrinking waterhole known as the economy.

Expect everyone else to get meaner too.

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To talk about any large group as a collective with the same agenda, behavior, experience, training, income and qualifications is a mistake. Like in any other career, there are good ones, there are not so good ones and there are bad ones. Unfortunately, they are all issued firearms. To assign the behavior of a cherry picked number of individuals as a representative example of the whole is not valid.

Regarding income for garbage collectors in USA - "Of course, many regions in the United States are not paying this kind of salary to their garbage collectors, though the national average salary still sits at around $43,000 per year, which can increase to about $60,000 per year after you factor in overtime, bonuses and benefits."

How much does a Police Patrol Officer make? The median annual Police Patrol Officer salary is $52,690, as of June 24, 2016, with a range usually between $43,886-$62,182, however this can vary widely depending on a variety of factors. Our team of Certified Compensation Professionals has analyzed survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at companies of all sizes and industries to present this range of annual salaries for people with the job title Police Patrol Officer in the United States.

Perhaps if a society wants to pay a garbage collector about the same wages as an armed law enforcement officer then you may expect to get what you pay for.

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Perhaps if a society wants to pay a garbage collector about the same wages as an armed law enforcement officer then you may expect to get what you pay for.

I tried to get comparable information, so I went to the Bureau of Labour statistics and used the May 2015 numbers in both cases. They have a mean annual wage of $36,370 for Refuse and Recyclable Material Collectors and $61,270 for Police and Sheriff's Patrol Officers. If you want to factor in overtime and bonus, then it should be applied to both occupations.

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To talk about any large group as a collective with the same agenda, behavior, experience, training, income and qualifications is a mistake. Like in any other career, there are good ones, there are not so good ones and there are bad ones. Unfortunately, they are all issued firearms. To assign the behavior of a cherry picked number of individuals as a representative example of the whole is not valid.

Regarding income for garbage collectors in USA - "Of course, many regions in the United States are not paying this kind of salary to their garbage collectors, though the national average salary still sits at around $43,000 per year, which can increase to about $60,000 per year after you factor in overtime, bonuses and benefits."

How much does a Police Patrol Officer make? The median annual Police Patrol Officer salary is $52,690, as of June 24, 2016, with a range usually between $43,886-$62,182, however this can vary widely depending on a variety of factors. Our team of Certified Compensation Professionals has analyzed survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at companies of all sizes and industries to present this range of annual salaries for people with the job title Police Patrol Officer in the United States.

Perhaps if a society wants to pay a garbage collector about the same wages as an armed law enforcement officer then you may expect to get what you pay for.

The problem is not individual cops, its that the government and its security do not police themselves well. Police know that the chances of them being held accountable for violent crimes is very low. The culture is pervasive in government... and it trickles down from the top.

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The spectrum too many police appear to operate according to only spans the distance between cracking down and getting tough. That won't change until governments are motivated by something more creative than their fear of being seen as soft on crime.

In fact I'd say this one particular fear, which is really just the fear of fear itself is the main culprit behind much of the escalating civil discourse of our times.

Where I live the highway has over time been upgraded with upgrades seemingly being motivated by accidents, usually fatal, after the fact. A car would lose control and up would go a new curve ahead sign or concrete barrier. These sorts of security upgrades seem to have replaced simply building a safer road and now the highway is basically littered from one end to another with cautions for this, that and the next thing. Now we have frustrated locals stuck behind non-locals who all too often take the alarming nature of signage seriously so highway engineers have taken to adding pullout zones to passing lanes. If anyone thought the politics of infrequent passing lanes on a twisted highway were interesting you should see the politics of an infrequent pullout lane.

I think the world is trapped in a similarly weird place.

Whether its helicopter parenting, cops gone wild or super-nanny governments its because everything is viewed through a politicized lens that kaleidoscopically turns the world into a matrix of never ending threats that need addressing. Like our highway things just keep getting weirder and weirder.

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For a group of people that are supposed to "protect" us by doing such a dangerous job, they really can't handle people being anything less than reverential for what they do eh?

http://www.tmz.com/2016/07/12/cleveland-browns-isaiah-crowell-police/

Not defending what dude did, but Dafuq? Holding the team hostage for the actions of one player? This is thin-skinned BS. I'm sure Mr. Loomis would be happy to co-operate if he was asked to help out the family Tamir Rice in exchange for funding to pay his officers.

But then we have this story with a group of WNBA players that did something quite inclusive and peaceful. But not good enough for thin-skinned cops!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/us/wnba-minnesota-lynx-black-lives-matter-shirts/index.html

If cops step forward to do a dangerous job, they should do it for its own rewards and not demand unconditional support from the public in order to do their job. It's evidence that they're really not interested in serving and protecting, they're interested in holding power of the population.

You made sweeping negative generalizations about police. If it was done against blacks, you'd be the first to call it racist. So why is it any more acceptable when you do it with police. What do your negative stereotypes achieve other than insulting and pointing out you don't like police and have problems with them for chosing the jobs they did?

You swept them all under one negative label.

Now what? Now that you've degraded them all, what? Now that they are as bad as you say, what? Do you have anything to offer other than to insult them?

Anyone can point out negative things. Its easy, Trump does it every day and he's pretty popular for doing it. But what does he propose as an alternative to make things better? How about you? You ever talk to a cop? You ever sit down and have a coffee with one outside work and their uniform when they are

being HUMAN just like you.

They are you know. They have children, they piss and sheeyit just like you. They pay taxes, they fear not growing old to see their children have grand children. They stress over bills, their health no different than you.

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You made sweeping negative generalizations about police. If it was done against blacks, you'd be the first to call it racist. So why is it any more acceptable when you do it with police.

Police are paid by the public to do a job.

The public has a right to complain when they do it wrong.

If police don't want complaints, they should not defend, protect and coverup for officers who violate their duty to the public.

The infamous 'blue wall of silence' is a violation of the public trust.

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Police are paid by the public to do a job.

The public has a right to complain when they do it wrong.

If police don't want complaints, they should not defend, protect and coverup for officers who violate their duty to the public.

The infamous 'blue wall of silence' is a violation of the public trust.

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Yeah, that will certainly stop everybody from complaining when they get stopped for driving drunk when they were just mostly drunk not really drunk, or when they get arrested for slapping that bitch because she deserved it, or get busted when they were going to put that money back later- and those f%%ing cops had to interfere.

It s a really difficult job that requires constant value judgements with people they meet all day every day when those people are often on their very worst behaviour.

Cops get paid pretty well, but not well enough I'd ever want to do it. In return, they most often get hate and enmity in return. Their reaction is entirely human.

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It s a really difficult job that requires constant value judgements with people they meet all day every day when those people are often on their very worst behaviour.

Cops get paid pretty well, but not well enough I'd ever want to do it. In return, they most often get hate and enmity in return. Their reaction is entirely human.

If their reaction is to cover up criminal behaviour of other cops, they are not doing the job we pay them for.

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Yeah, that will certainly stop everybody from complaining when they get stopped for driving drunk when they were just mostly drunk not really drunk, or when they get arrested for slapping that bitch because she deserved it, or get busted when they were going to put that money back later- and those f%%ing cops had to interfere.

Yes... people are complaining that the cops are catching too many drunk drivers or people who are stealing. :rolleyes:

Nice straw man....

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If their reaction is to cover up criminal behaviour of other cops, they are not doing the job we pay them for.

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That does happen, but not very often.

They have a job unlike any other. That does not condone or forgive criminal behaviour, but the 'us against them' mentality it engenders is entirely human and natural. We are tribal creatures heart and soul, and cops are undoubtedly acting like we all do in packs. Circle the wagons against threat.

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That does happen, but not very often.

Horseapples.

"The blue wall of silence" has it's own wiki page:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence

The officers present when Dzanieski died perjured themselves behind their blue wall.

When Abdi was beaten, no officer pulled the officer off who was kneeling on his battered, bleeding head.

Covering up for criminal officers is the rule.

Stopping the crime, arresting, whistleblowing would be the exception ... IF it ever happened.

They have a job unlike any other. That does not condone or forgive criminal behaviour, but the 'us against them' mentality it engenders is entirely human and natural.

We are tribal creatures heart and soul, and cops are undoubtedly acting like we all do in packs. Circle the wagons against threat.

Get over the 'animal instincts' and behaviour.

Do your job RIGHT.

We don't pay you to make war on the public.

We are not the enemy.

We pay your salaries.

We are the BOSS.

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