"Put Britain First" - Right Wing Extremism on the rise

[Rue]

Agree as usual with Argus and we all, all of us when we see idiots, insane people do absolutely stupid incomprehensible things, after the fact try give it a logical explanation. That's what conspiracy theories suppositions to o try make the irrational, rational.

Hey its how our brains work. We are wired to make sense of chaos, patterns out of randomness.

We talk, we speculate, we see things beneath the immediate initial event. Everyone does it but I think the tendency to take a mad man and give him credence can sometimes be as insane as the mad man doing the shooting.

We now know the idiot in Orlando claimed himself to be an ISIS terrorist. It also appears he was gay and couldn't incorporate the two identities and went on a prolonged suicide rampage to cleanse himself and go to heaven blasting away at people who symbolized the part of himself he failed to repress.

Do we avoid calling him a repressed homosexual, a mentally ill homosexual, a Muslim terrorist, because its insensitive? He's all of the above. The point is hating all mentally ill people, all gays, all Muslims is irrational. Lumping them all in with this scum is not logical or helpful. He is though what he is. Why deny it,

That's the point with this individual who killed the MP. He was according to reports clearly mentally ill. Was he deliberately wound up by someone to go kill or was he just a mad man who was attracted to killing her the way so many are who go on killing sprees-someone acting out fractured jagged irrational impulses and thoughts fearing a world he felt he had no control over?

You want to make him part of a conspiracy? Really? Well if that's what you set out to see, sure that's what you'll see. He won't be some failed, fringe, anti-social mentally ill person, now he was some rational agent working on a premeditated killing as part of some grand plan.

Uh yah. Oh I get it. Each day we have the same names write on this forum the recycled repeat Zionist conspiracy stories of controlling the US the world and how Jews control everything. We also have people reading into the Twin Towers terrorist attack it was George Bush who did it, his father, the illuminati, Masons, Jews, Saudis, Shaque O'Neil, whatever.

For those of us in the age group where we remember the killings of John F. Kennedy, his brother Robert and Martin Luther King, then the Nixon debacle, we saw conspiracies. Most of us now believe Lee Harvey Oswald was set up and it was a CIA-Mafia hit, etc., etc. The relatively rapid progression of assassinations of the Kennedies and King and then Nixon's cover up has pretty much led most of us to believe people in authority are all liars. Yah you remember Brian Mulroney and his bag of money he put in his safe.

Innocence and belief in politicians like FDR and Churchill was tempered with the spectacle of the Hitler, Stalin-Mao regimes. We've seen no shortage of tyrants and corrupt politicians make it impossible to accept anything as is.

However I believe this incident was isolated and sad and no one is involved in any conspiracy. The fear of immigration in Britain has always been there as has distrust for German and French governments. That's historic. Its nothing new.

I just read a survey saying immigration fear is the no.1 motive fueling anti EU sentiment in Britain. Well if that is so, does it make UK people all bigots?

Looking what's happened in Greece, Austria, Germany, France, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Italy, does anyone want to suggest Britons are the only ones concerned? Being in the EU means any EU citizen can work in the UK and of course vice versa. That means literally millions of non Britons who do not speak English or share necessarily English values competing for jobs in the UK with Britons. Its easy to say to them, ah don't worry when you live in Canada and are in denial about the fact our nation is going into record bankruptcy as we pretend we aren't facing epidemic unemployment as well.

I am not saying its o.k. to hate and distrust and engage in bigotry but Europe like Canada and the US and the rest of the world is in an era where 65 million people were displaced this year and millions more are coming from China and India because of water and shortage and I am suggesting the real reason behind the waves of people from Africa, etc., is lack of water and food. Migrants need water and food. They go where they think it is or die trying.

Look at the zones where there is no water and food its not coincidence it is also where many of the wars and conflicts are. When countries can't provide food and water for their citizens, civil break down is inevitable leading to huge movements of people.

The mentally ill man who killed that MP probably had some idea in his mind of people coming to burst his bubble and the way he lived.

There's a fine line between him and everyone else who claim to be normal today as the world shrinks, people can travel so quicjly and so far and all the values we once took for granted are being thrown out and replaced.

Change for some is inevitable and to be welcomed, for many others its something to avoid and resist.

Edited June 21, 2016 by Rue

[marcus]

Jo Cox was killed because of her political views.

Here is Jo Cox's husband speaking about his wife on BBC.

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[Guest]

Jo Cox was killed because of her political views.

I don't think there's any doubt about that, is there? He could have killed anyone on his way to kill her, but he chose her.

[PIK]

People better learn from this and stick diversity where the sun does not shine. Time for a certain people to stay home and learn to get along, instead of spreading their hate and sick religion on the rest of us.

[taxme]

I think Bremain will win the referendum. People even though being discontent are too afraid to take a leap into the unknown. A similar what happened two years ago in the Scottish independence-referendum.

The problem with most people today is that they have been conditioned and trained by the lame duck corporate media and corporate politicians to not be able to think for themselves. They will give the people some scary story as to what may happen, and instead of them asking questions, they believe what they are being told without question.

[Rue]

The UK can enter into free trade agreements with the US, Mexico, Canada, Chile hell even their buddies the Argentinians for perishables. This notion it will starve to death if its not in the EU is ridiculous.

The UK survived for years outside the EU. Derek and Tim G already covered points I would as did Argus. The supposed economic benefits of being saddled with an extra layer if government in Brussels surely is an open ended debate.

I personally think the government in Brussels is a collosal waste of money and is corrupted and controlled by Germany. I think the notion of a free trade zone in Europe makes perfect sense which the EU enabled, but to also control movement of workers across borders is not popular in many EU countries not just the UK. Migrant workers have been coming into countries and its human nature they threaten the workers in those countries who fear they will compete with them for the same jobs.

That's why the ridiculous attempts on this board to portray the get out of EU vote as right wing extremist was a joke. The people who voted get out were the older age groups fearing loss of their jobs to foreign workers able to come in.

So it was in fact the lower labour classes, and the middle class voting against the EU while the elite and the young were for the EU. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted 70% to stay which now sets up Scotland to be able to argue there was a "significant change of circumstance" which is a trigger clause to enable a new referendum.

Northern Ireland is also upset but its bloody unlikely they will vote to get out or join Eire.

In a few weeks the Scottish First Minister will start inciting for a new referendum and I think she might get one causing a serious issue in the UK once again. I don't think the get out of EU people gave much thought to the eventuality of it triggering another round with the Scots.

That's not good. However the doomsday scenario of the UK starving to death or its markets crashing are ridiculous.

Bottom line: if you want a foreign government in Brussels to impose laws on the British, the ones in England were fed up. The Scots and Northern Irish did not mind. That's because for the most part foreign workers were not going to Scotland or Northern Ireland or for that matter Wales, they were moving to London and/or England. If the Scots were being flooded with foreign workers they would have voted to get out.

Scotland talks out of both sides of their cheeks under that tartan. They want in with the EU but out of Britain. Their desire to be sometimes pregnant and sometimes not pregnant is typical. They want their cake and eat it too.

Edited June 25, 2016 by Rue

[?Impact]

I think the notion of a free trade zone in Europe makes perfect sense which the EU enabled, but to also control movement of workers across borders is not popular in many EU countries not just the UK.

In other words, free trade to benefit the rich corporate bosses but nothing for the average Joe. That is not free trade, that is exploitation.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Northern Ireland is also upset but its bloody unlikely they will vote to get out or join Eire.

In a few weeks the Scottish First Minister will start inciting for a new referendum and I think she might get one causing a serious issue in the UK once again. I don't think the get out of EU people gave much thought to the eventuality of it triggering another round with the Scots.

That's not good. However the doomsday scenario of the UK starving to death or its markets crashing are ridiculous.

Bottom line: if you want a foreign government in Brussels to impose laws on the British, the ones in England were fed up. The Scots and Northern Irish did not mind. That's because for the most part foreign workers were not going to Scotland or Northern Ireland or for that matter Wales, they were moving to London and/or England. If the Scots were being flooded with foreign workers they would have voted to get out.

The foreign worker argument breaks down in London which voted Remain.

Edited July 7, 2016 by SpankyMcFarland