Hudson Jones Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 With Right Wing Nationalism rhetoric on the rise in the West, we're seeing more and more violent behaviour. From the Norway right wing extremist who killed 77 people and injured dozens of others, to the increasing attacks on immigrants, what's the right way to approach this? Jo Cox, a Labour MP was stabbed and shot by a man yelling "Put Britain first". Link Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 The right approach would be to put him in jail and throw away the key. After a trial of course, and assuming he is found guilty. The question is, what do you do with people who agree with him? People who haven't done anything themselves, but have the same beliefs. I'd definitely keep an eye on them. How about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 The guy is dangerously unhinged. Quote Rapists, pedophiles, and nazis post online too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Yes, but leftist Marxist goons burn flags and interrupt speeches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Yes, but leftist Marxist goons burn flags and interrupt speeches. yes, as history has clearly shown.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 An astounding aspect of the assassination of UK MP Jo Cox is a complete lack of interest on part of the U.K. and US media in the man who has committed the murder --I have been reading one news item after another in both UK and the US --as in this NYTimes piece the assassin is not even named--now you have to read and read finally to fish out that the assassin is a white man named Tommy Mair who was heard shouting "Britain First" as he carried his murder --now that is the name of the far right political party in the UK. Now just imagine for a second if the name of the assassin was not Tommy Mair but "Mohammad Moustafa," he was not a white man but a colored person, he did not scream "Britain First" but "Allahu Akbar!" By now the entire BBC apparatus and the New York Times and CNN would have been on red alert, "terrorist experts" would be on their ways to their studios, from President Obama and Prime Minister Cameron to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump would have called Press conferences and debated the term "Islamic extremism," and Benjamin Netanyahu would have been on his way to London as a sign of solidarity, declaring how Israelis are also victims of "terrorism," and the Internet would be abuzz with "Je Sui Jo Cox". May Jo Cox rest in peace --from all I have read she was a remarkable public servant and a decent human being --but she has left behind a ghastly racist world in which the UK and US media and politicians have come together so that the very dictionary definition of the word "terrorism" has been exclusively coded to mean "Muslim." Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 It is also telling people something. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Very tragic news indeed! May she rest in peace... Just tells you lots about the mentality of some of these right wing nut jobs in the midst of Brexit. Corbyns labour party has been subject to many criticism recently first Ken Livingstone's departure after the interview on radio and now this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Now just imagine for a second if the name of the assassin was not Tommy Mair but "Mohammad Moustafa,""Britain First" has never advocated violence as means to achieve its political aims so someone shouting those words as they kill someone has no significance beyond the rantings of a crazy person. OTOH, various Islamist groups regularly promote and participate in violence so a killer shouting 'Allahu Akbar' does have a significance beyond the individual carrying out the act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Just tells you lots about the mentality of some of these right wing nut jobs in the midst of Brexit.The guy was a nutjob but he sane compared to people like Corbyn who live in fantasy world and is completely blind to the inevitable consequences of his policies. Edited June 17, 2016 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) An astounding aspect of the assassination of UK MP Jo Cox is a complete lack of interest on part of the U.K. and US media in the man who has committed the murder --I have been reading one news item after another in both UK and the US --as in this NYTimes piece the assassin is not even named--now you have to read and read finally to fish out that the assassin is a white man named Tommy Mair who was heard shouting "Britain First" as he carried his murder --now that is the name of the far right political party in the UK. That might fit your narrative but it is completely untrue. I knew all that information almost immediately and it was repeated on the websites of The Independent, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The BBC, The CBC. In fact, read my status update at 11:29 yesterday. I didn't read any USA media on the subject. Edited June 17, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 OTOH, various Islamist groups regularly promote and participate in violence No, various radical Islamist groups promote violence, yet suddenly you start blaming Islam and not the radicals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 No, various radical Islamist groups promote violence, yet suddenly you start blaming Islam and not the radicals. Islamist is usually defined as separate from Islam or Islamic, and means a more conservative group with the goal of implementing Islamic laws. It's all a bit vague, but to use the word is not to tar all of Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 No, various radical Islamist groups promote violence, yet suddenly you start blaming Islam and not the radicals.I said 'Islamist' not 'Muslim'. There is a difference. While there may be some Islamist groups that don't advocate violence I would expect them to be in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 And yet it ends up tarring them anyway. Maybe it's just the way it sounds when certain people use it. I'm pretty sure when we hear a phrase like 'those on the left' it doesn't don't mean everyone on the left or does it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) And yet it ends up tarring them anyway. Maybe it's just the way it sounds when certain people use it. I'm pretty sure when we hear a phrase like 'those on the left' it doesn't don't mean everyone on the left or does it? It's up to the individual to make the distinction. When you blame conservatives for something, I know you don't mean me. Edited June 17, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I've tried to use more neutral terms like Earthlings and human beings but they only seem to piss people off more. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 When you blame conservatives for something, I know you don't mean me. I thought you were a centrist. My good friend Donald however proposed we ban all conservatives from entering Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kactus Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) The guy was a nutjob but he sane compared to people like Corbyn who live in fantasy world and is completely blind to the inevitable consequences of his policies.It didn't instill much confidence seeing Jeremy in that fur coat. I mean what what he thinking? The white version of Ali G....But to put the the blame on him and his policies is out of order.... Edited June 17, 2016 by kactus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 I thought you were a centrist. My good friend Donald however proposed we ban all conservatives from entering Canada. I am, but how do you define "centrist"? Is it that all one's views are down the middle, or is it that one has both left and right views such that they cancel each other out? I voted Conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 The guy was a nutjob So was the Orlando shooter, who happens to be Muslim. But he's a terrorist and not the guy in Britain. And not the dozens of white guys who have gone on shooting sprees in the US. Terrorism is only committed by Muslims and you're participating in spreading this lie. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 So was the Orlando shooter, who happens to be Muslim. But he's a terrorist and not the guy in Britain. And not the dozens of white guys who have gone on shooting sprees in the US. Terrorism is only committed by Muslims and you're participating in spreading this lie. Nutjobs and terrorists are not mutually exclusive. One can be both. In fact, I think to be a terrorist you pretty much have to be a nutjob as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 But he's a terrorist and not the guy in Britain.Because ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU . Every British party has denied any association with the killer. Terrorism is using violence to achieve political objectives which implies there must be more than just the shooter. The ISIL link makes Orlando terrorism. No corresponding link exists in the British case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Because ISIL claimed responsibility for the attack: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-claim-idUSKCN0YY0VU . Every British party has denied any association with the killer. Terrorism is using violence to achieve political objectives which implies there must be more than just the shooter. The ISIL link makes Orlando terrorism. No corresponding link exists in the British case. Disagree. The fact he killed her with a political goal in mind make him a terrorist, in my view. An affiliation is not necessary for the definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted June 17, 2016 Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 Disagree. The fact he killed her with a political goal in mind make him a terrorist, in my view.We aren't even sure there was a political goal. From what I read the claim that he uttered 'Britain First' has not been confirmed and at least one witness says it was made up: http://www.lbc.co.uk/jo-cox-witness-says-no-one-shouted-britain-first-132375 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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