The Essence of "hate" crimes...

[eyeball]

Are "hate" crimes valid? They appear to be "thought" crimes in essence.

They'd be valid if hate was on your mind when planning or committing them and when actions speak louder than words...like you citing Section Two of the Charter as if to suggest the freedom to hate had somehow been removed or forgotten.

Edited June 2, 2016 by eyeball

[taxme]

I believe, paraphrasing Sir Wilfred Laurier, that one's freedoms extend to the point where they interfere with the freedoms of another.

I think if our behaviour reflects that, we wouldn't be indulging in any 'hate crimes'.

As well as the Constitution/Charter, the Criminal Code and the Human Rights Act are relevant:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada

The Criminal Code prohibits "hate propaganda."

The Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination on various grounds ...

"race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for which a pardon has been granted."

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gender identity and expression

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'Live and let live' is also relevant.

It's always wise to ask yourself whether you would consider your actions acceptable if they were directed at you instead.

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I guess this means that all those prohibits mentioned above are all now taboos or sacred cows and are not to be allowed to be debated, discussed, questioned or challenged, right? Political correctness is the law of the land, and freedom of speech is not. The HRC is nothing more than a politically correct tool used by the government and special interest groups to shut politically incorrect opinions and points of view of people whom they do not like. Shut them down. It is used to shut them down. The HRC is a danger and a menace to freedom of speech and that communist outfit should be abolished. We like to think that Canada is democratic but it really is not. Try speaking political incorrectness out in the open in public square. See how fast you get shut down or charged for trying to promote "hate". One just has to watch Ezra Levant of The Rebel to know what I am talking about.

"If people fear the government, it is tyranny. If the government fears the people, it is democracy". I think that Canada has become the former.

[?Impact]

One just has to watch Ezra Levant of The Rebel to know what I am talking about.

Yes, Ezra Levant, the champion of free speech. Go to the comments section at the Rebel, and if you are not a salivating redneck with a foul mouth then you will be removed very quickly. In Ezra's world, free speech does not include asking questions in a respectful manner. For Ezra, you must follow his script and use language that your mother would not approve of.

[taxme]

Yes, Ezra Levant, the champion of free speech. Go to the comments section at the Rebel, and if you are not a salivating redneck with a foul mouth then you will be removed very quickly. In Ezra's world, free speech does not include asking questions in a respectful manner. For Ezra, you must follow his script and use language that your mother would not approve of.

Ok, I get it, you just don't like Ezra, right?

[jacee]

I guess this means that all those prohibits mentioned above are all now taboos or sacred cows and are not to be allowed to be debated, discussed, questioned or challenged, right? Political correctness is the law of the land, and freedom of speech is not. The HRC is nothing more than a politically correct tool used by the government and special interest groups to shut politically incorrect opinions and points of view of people whom they do not like. Shut them down. It is used to shut them down. The HRC is a danger and a menace to freedom of speech and that communist outfit should be abolished. We like to think that Canada is democratic but it really is not. Try speaking political incorrectness out in the open in public square. See how fast you get shut down or charged for trying to promote "hate". One just has to watch Ezra Levant of The Rebel to know what I am talking about.

Ezra's not shut down. He's still blabbing away.

You want to fill your face with hate?

Go right ahead.

Not many care to listen.

Is that what infuriates you?

No one wants to listen?

Do you ever imagine that you are on a mission from God?

Do you ever imagine mowing people down with an assault rifle because they won't listen?

Just asking ...

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Edited June 16, 2016 by jacee

[Bryan]

Yes, Ezra Levant, the champion of free speech. Go to the comments section at the Rebel, and if you are not a salivating redneck with a foul mouth then you will be removed very quickly. In Ezra's world, free speech does not include asking questions in a respectful manner. For Ezra, you must follow his script and use language that your mother would not approve of.

The Rebel is far more tolerant of opposing views than most media outlets. You'd have to wade in deliberately acting like a serious jackass to get kicked out.

[?Impact]

The Rebel is far more tolerant of opposing views than most media outlets. You'd have to wade in deliberately acting like a serious jackass to get kicked out.

Go there and read what I wrote. I was not a jackass. I was polite and pointed out a different view. I was attacked, called many names that my mother would wash my mouth out with soap for, and the absolute worst I did was point out on about 3 occasions that I do not respond to people that make those sort of attacks, and never twice to the same person. After less than 2 weeks I was kicked out, and never bothered to return.

Edited June 16, 2016 by ?Impact

[Bryan]

Go there and read what I wrote.

1) How about a link? It's a big site.

2) Anything that was bad enough to get you kicked out wouldn't still be there anyway.

[taxme]

Ezra's not shut down. He's still blabbing away.

You want to fill your face with hate?

Go right ahead.

Not many care to listen.

Is that what infuriates you?

No one wants to listen?

Do you ever imagine that you are on a mission from God?

Do you ever imagine mowing people down with an assault rifle because they won't listen?

Just asking ...

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Yup, Ezra is still blabbing away for now but for how much longer?

So, just where or how am I filling my face with hate? Please explain this one to me.

And as far as I am concerned 90% of Canadians don't want to hear anything that may be of importance to them. They appear to be only interested in two things themselves and money. Whatever happens to the other guy/gal well too bad for them. After all it is all about me attitude, don't you know.

Just my opinion of course.

[taxme]

Yet the government discriminates based on race and sex for employment.

Indeed, and it is called quotas, and the Federal government has quotas where so many federal jobs are reserved for non-whites. That is racist, period, and the feds practice it a lot. Everyone has a right to be stupid. It's just that politicians abuse it.

[-1=e^ipi]

Indeed, and it is called quotas, and the Federal government has quotas where so many federal jobs are reserved for non-whites. That is racist, period, and the feds practice it a lot. Everyone has a right to be stupid. It's just that politicians abuse it.

It goes well beyond quotas.

[taxme]

It goes well beyond quotas.

And it will only get worse now that the Liberals are in power. The liberals love their non-white minorities. Of course the only white people that will be getting plenty of federal jobs, if not all of them, will be people of francophone backgrounds.

[jacee]

Not sure what the moaning is about. Whites still have the advantage in hiring:

http://www.broadbentinstitute.ca/en/blog/canadian-born-visible-minority-youth-face-unfair-job-future

Data from the 2011 National Household Survey (NHS) which replaced the long- form census indicate that racial status remains a significant factor in shaping advantage and disadvantage in the Canadian job market and in influencing the overall level of poverty and income inequality.

Put bluntly, non-whites do significantly worse than whites, in part because of racial discrimination.

[jacee]

Yup, Ezra is still blabbing away for now but for how much longer?

Till he croaks.

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[taxme]

Till he croaks.

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Yes, those zionists would like to see him gone alright. Ezra just keeps interrupting and spoiling their agenda and programs planned for Canada and Canadians. After all we can't be allowed to know more about multiculturalism or immigration that is destroying the makeup and culture of this country, eh?

[jacee]

Yes, those zionists would like to see him gone alright.

The Zionists want Ezra gone?

You are very confused.

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[-1=e^ipi]

Not sure what the moaning is about. Whites still have the advantage in hiring:

http://www.broadbentinstitute.ca/en/blog/canadian-born-visible-minority-youth-face-unfair-job-future

Data from the 2011 National Household Survey (NHS) which replaced the long- form census indicate that racial status remains a significant factor in shaping advantage and disadvantage in the Canadian job market and in influencing the overall level of poverty and income inequality.

Put bluntly, non-whites do significantly worse than whites, in part because of racial discrimination.

1. The broadbent institute doesn't know how to do a proper attribution study, where you control for multiple explanatory variables.

2. Socioeconomic status and immigrant status is correlated with race. Not taking these things into account will bias results.

3. This says nothing about the women vs men discrepancy. Young women earn more than men, have lower unemployment rates, higher employment stability, 2 to 1 hiring advantage in STEM, etc. Unlike race, where differences in outcomes persist due to socioeconomic status, you can't get this effect with sex.

[Argus]

Put bluntly, non-whites do significantly worse than whites, in part because of racial discrimination.

There's no evidence of that. Non-Whites SHOULD do significantly worse than Whites given most of them are immigrants.

[The_Squid]

There's no evidence of that. Non-Whites SHOULD do significantly worse than Whites given most of them are immigrants.

Most non-whites are immigrants?

cite please.

[betsy]

Because... 100 years ago white men were privileged or something. White men have historic privilege! Therefore, to correct for this we need to discriminate against young white men today. That is the socially just thing to do!

Oppression of a people is never just, for whatever reason it is given. How can it be just when even whites who have no control or say of the situation will also be dealt with by that kind of "justice?"

What about the whites who stand beside you, fighting for your cause? What about them?

A hundred years from now, people will be saying the same thing against non-whites. In fact, it seems you won't even have to wait a hundred years. There is a resurgence of far right wing groups.... the cycle will never end.

Edited June 22, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

jacee, on 21 Jun 2016 - 02:36 AM, said:

Put bluntly, non-whites do significantly worse than whites, in part because of racial discrimination.

No. There are several factors why non-whites do significantly worse than whites.

The main factor imho, unless you're born and raised in this country by immigrant parents who'd

embraced and ADAPTED to the culture of this country.....a non-white immigrant will always be at a disadvantage.

Sometimes, it'll take several generations before an immigrant can shed off that disadvantage.

For some immigrants, the culture (and mentality) of this country is quite different from theirs.

Most white folks from Europe however, will take to this culture like fish takes to water...... that's not surprising.

And it's not due to their skin color either!

Some would say, "why do I have to adapt?" You don't have to. But if you want to do well....that's just the way it is.

I'm not saying there is no racial discrimination. There is. But it exists on both sides.

There are also prejudiced people among non-whites.

I see and read about non-whites who excel in their field.

As an example, look at black people. Like Denzel Washington, Condoleeza Rice, Oprah Winfrey, etc..,

How do successful black people talk? Do they assert their racial identity by talking like hoods and rappers? No.

Edited June 22, 2016 by betsy

[betsy]

It's become a looney bin. Some people are blatantly promoting prejudice!

The irony....Black Lives Matter founder doesn't agree with...."ALL lives matter!"

Now she's saying that it's a racial slur to say all lives matter! Go figure! Talk about hate! Blinded by hate!

Black Lives Matter Co-Founder: ‘All Lives Matter’ a Racial Slur, ‘White Folks Gotta Give Up Something’

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/23/black-lives-matter-co-founder-all-lives-matter-a-racial-slur/

This is not just about white folks and black folks! Are you the only ones that matter?

What about the yellows, and the browns, and the reds?

Can she please explain, and specifically say which specific lives don't matter.

Edited June 22, 2016 by betsy

[jacee]

There's no evidence of that. Non-Whites SHOULD do significantly worse than Whites given most of them are immigrants.

40% of visible minority youth age 20-24 were born in Canada and thus have the same educational experience as other Canadians. Many others came to Canada as young children and were mainly educated in Canada. But they still encounter greater problems in the job market than whites.

It appears that race is a factor even when born in Canada.

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[betsy]

40% of visible minority youth age 20-24 were born in Canada and thus have the same educational experience as other Canadians. Many others came to Canada as young children and were mainly educated in Canada. But they still encounter greater problems in the job market than whites.

It appears that race is a factor even when born in Canada.

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Being born in Canada doesn't necessarily equate to integration/assimilation.

It depends on the mind frames of the family, and anyone who'll be around this child.

They may have the same educational experience........ but they don't always have the same approach/mentality/aptitude - which makes up the other half of success - than those who'd been raised by parents who had embraced and adapted to this place.

Some of them would've lacked the same aggression as those who are used to this culture.

As an example, a lot of Asian women - even some Asian men - tend to be timid, compared to their western counter parts.

That is a problem when you're out there competing for a job.

Some are held back by their beliefs/culture from the old country. Some lack the confidence in fitting in, similar to a young teener who lacks the confidence fitting in a new school and a new environment.

The parents of young immigrants should encourage these children to be like any who's from this culture.

Anything from the old culture that causes a block, should be discarded. That's how it is for an immigrant, if he wants to do well. This society will provide the tools to make integration successful....but there's some responsibilities that an immigrant has to own.

It's not painless, but that's reality. It's not that simple to uproot one's self, immigrate, and start all over again.

Starting all over again usually means, "re-doing" yourself.

Usually, it takes generations to fully integrate and become just like anyone from the western culture.

Successful people (no matter what color), never held up the "victim" card, in their quest for success.

Edited June 22, 2016 by betsy

[Argus]

Most non-whites are immigrants?

cite please.

Why would you even need a cite other than to be annoying?

Nearly 6,264,800 people identified themselves as a member of a visible minority group. They represented 19.1% of the total population. Of these visible minorities, 30.9% were born in Canada and 65.1% were born outside the country and came to live in Canada as immigrants. A small proportion (4.0%) of the visible minority population was non-permanent residents.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/nhs-enm/2011/as-sa/99-010-x/99-010-x2011001-eng.cfm