Yzermandius19 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 If y'all want to go fight for the Kurds, go ahead. Stop telling other people to do it for you when you refuse to go yourself, and then claim moral superiority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: No you’re selling wimpiness. If we don’t train and send our troops to defend the vulnerable, they’re just a useless and expensive ornament. The troops are to defend their nations own interests, not the interests of the "vulnerable" all over the world. Policeman Of The World who are high on Humanitarian Pixie Dust for the fail. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the military is not equipped to prevent all humanitarian disasters all over the world, nor should it be, because that backfires. Not sure why you think America picking sides between the Turks and Kurds is going to make things better, other than wishful thinking, but that would make the situation much worse and put American lives on the line for something that isn't in America's national interest, you're just going to get more people killed with your moral crusade plan. Edited October 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The troops are to defend their nations own interests, not the interests of the "vulnerable" all over the world. Policeman Of The World who are high on Humanitarian Pixie Dust for the fail. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the military is not equipped to prevent all humanitarian disasters all over the world, nor should it be, because that backfires. Not sure why you think America picking sides between the Turks and Kurds is going to make things better, other than wishful thinking, but that would make the situation much worse. Headlines for the last week: It's worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: Headlines for the last week: It's worse. It would be even worse if America stuck their noses in where it doesn't belong. It would be worse if America stayed in Syria to protect the Kurds indefinitely. You want a worse outcome so you can virtue signal about your intentions, wake up. You aren't helping anyone by trying to shame Americans into giving their lives to protect the Kurds, you just misguidedly think you are. Edited October 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The troops are to defend their nations own interests, not the interests of the "vulnerable" all over the world, Policeman Of The World High on Humanitarian Pixie Dust. What nation? We’re talking about people without a country in hostile territory. I guess our soldiers can wait for pixie dust armies to attack North America. We know the history. Great Britain made tremendous sacrifices being the first to declare war on Germany, rationing food and paying war debt long after the war. The US came along once they were attacked. Canada and many other countries should be protecting the people. Edited October 15, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: What nation? We’re talking about people without a country in hostile territory. I guess our soldiers can wait for pixie dust armies to attack North America. We know the history. Great Britain made tremendous sacrifices being the first to declare war on Germany, rationing food and paying war debt long after the war. The US came along once they were attacked. Britain pissed away their empire snorting Humanitarian Pixie Dust, and your plan is for America to follow suit. Yeah sure, they should get right on that. Britain shouldn't have stuck it's nose in where it didn't belong, fighting Germany did nothing for them, and cost them dearly. Fighting the Turks to protect the Kurds does nothing good for America either, and will cost them dearly. Edited October 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 That’s why I consider Britain a greater moral leader than the US. I’ll take the Queen and the Commonwealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: That’s why I consider Britain a greater moral leader than the US. I’ll take the Queen and the Commonwealth. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” - Milton Friedman What you call Great Moral Leaders are simply failures who are suckers for sob stories. Your "moral high ground" is worth less than nothing, it is detrimental to those who try to claim it. Besides, America fought in self defense, and that is far more moral cause than fighting a war of aggression for empire anyway. World Policeman for the fail, sprinkling the Humanitarian Pixie Dust on obviously counter-productive actions doesn't make them any more moral or any wiser. Edited October 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.” - Milton Friedman What you call Great Moral Leaders are simply failures who are suckers for sob stories. Your "moral high ground" is worth less than nothing, it is detrimental to those who try to claim it. Besides, America fought in self defense, and that is far more moral cause than fighting a war of aggression for empire anyway. Derp. You’re preaching to the wrong person. Canada is not an empire, nor does she have offshore colonial possessions. We have our own colonial history and problems. The question is what to do now? As long as the countries with the means to protect people from slaughter are stepping up, we can have confidence in our hard power. There are limits to what countries can do. Probably little intervention is needed, but we should provide it. Edited October 15, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You’re preaching to the wrong person. Canada is not an empire, nor does she have offshore colonial possessions. We have our own colonial history and problems. The question is what to do now? As long as the countries with the means to protect people from slaughter are stepping up, we can have confidence in our hard power. There are limits to what countries can do. Probably little intervention is needed, but we should provide it. No we shouldn't we'll just make it worse, you overestimate the limits of what can be done with military power to solve humanitarian situations. It's the wrong tool for the job, you've got hammer but can't find a nail, and go around whacking shit anyway as if that will fix it. You want to "do something" for the sake of doing something, you don't seem to care how counter-productive "doing something" is when it comes to military intervention. Edited October 15, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 More Fake News: ABC used a video from a US gun range, stating "it appears to be the Turks" (paraphrasing, saw it earlier this am) blasting away and killing American allies - the Kurds. Sensational garbage. AKA a huge hit. Retractions are the new normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 In other news, Hunter Biden just admitted in an interview that he likely wouldn't have gotten the Burisma job if not for his dad's position. Yeah no doubt Hunter. There are 7 billion people on earth, tens of millions of Ukranians, and Burisma just happened to pick the son of the US VP to sit on the board. Trump is doing his job. Dems are in all-out panic mode. Obama released a statement in a secret code: "Ixnay on the IdenBay opictay". If that's not a real Obama quote I'll print a retraction tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/13/2019 at 5:54 PM, Cannucklehead said: Lol. Trump spends more time in mar a lago and his other hotels than the White House. Why? Secret service follows him, stays in his hotel and eats food from the hotel. And not just him, but his kids too. All bills are paid by the american taxpayer, and guess where the profits go? LOL. Wake up, will you. Who are you trying to kid here, fella? Obama was not much better. That Muslim anti-American spent many a days on the golf course. All Obamarama's bills were paid for by the taxpayer's of America wherever he went as President also. Your anti-Trump bias is showing. I guess that you will be voting for Blackface, eh? Why not? Let's make Canada worse off then what it is already. I have already voted for Trump, I mean Bernier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: More Fake News: ABC used a video from a US gun range, stating "it appears to be the Turks" (paraphrasing, saw it earlier this am) blasting away and killing American allies - the Kurds. Sensational garbage. AKA a huge hit. Retractions are the new normal. Sadly, there are still so many stunned American and Canadian people who will still listen to this video garbage, and the lieberal socialist actors and activists of the lying and fake MSM media that push nothing but garbage, and believe it wholeheartedly. Obama needs to be nixed for all the asinine things that he has said and done to try and destroy America. Trump has been great for America, although one would think that when the liars and activists get thru with him, Trump is the most evil person ever born. I was with one of my grandchildren yesterday, and Trump's name came up on the fake Canadian news media, and immediately he said that Trump was a bad man. Now I asked myself as to why is he saying this? He is only 12 years old. Hardly an age where a 12 year old could give a crap about politics. So, where did he get that from? Either his parents or from his teachers in school that is brainwashing the kids into hating Trump. I personally believe that they are getting it from the latter. Our Canadian teachers have become real leftist liberal radicals and activists, and are always trying to brainwash the kids, and even non-thinking grownups, with some kind of politically correct socialist nonsense bull chit. Even one of my friends who works in a school hates Trump. It's amazing what a little bit of brainwashing by the leftist liberal activists can do to the minds of the many sheeple out there. What people get is nothing more than "sensational garbage" from the leftist lieberal media that they like to enjoy watching and love so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: In other news, Hunter Biden just admitted in an interview that he likely wouldn't have gotten the Burisma job if not for his dad's position. Yeah no doubt Hunter. There are 7 billion people on earth, tens of millions of Ukranians, and Burisma just happened to pick the son of the US VP to sit on the board. Trump is doing his job. Dems are in all-out panic mode. Obama released a statement in a secret code: "Ixnay on the IdenBay opictay". If that's not a real Obama quote I'll print a retraction tomorrow. You better believe it that the demorats are in panic mode. They all have gone insane. All they do every day ever since Trump was elected was to try and impeach Trump. Biden did threaten a Ukranian leader, but to the demorats it was not all that much of a serious threat. But what Trump said was a serious threat to the Ukranian President. And those morons in the leftist lieberal MSM media are nothing more than a pack of crazy in the head liars. Don't you love those cowards like Obama who have to use strange words to hide their hatred for someone. People like him should be feared. They are very dangerous people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada and many other countries should be protecting the people. OK, but Canada abandoned the Kurds two years ago. Where were/are the other "allies" ? Why does the burden fall on Trump / United States when others are not there ? Edited October 15, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-10-15/texas-gop-speaker-says-trump-killing-us-in-secret-tape%3fcontext=amp You sure it's the Democrats that are panicking right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK, but Canada abandoned the Kurds two years ago. Where were/are the other "allies" ? Why does the burden fall on Trump / United States when others are not there ? It doesn’t, but the US, Canada, Britain, France, and other allies should be working on an effective plan to get Turkey out of there. I wouldn’t leave this to Erdogan and Putin. Edited October 15, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: It doesn’t, but the US, Canada, Britain, France, and other allies should be working on an effective plan to get Turkey out of there. I wouldn’t leave this to Erdogan and Putin. Not realistic...Turkey has Kurdish rebels and an unstable Syria on its border. Turkey is still a NATO ally, and Syria has long been a Soviet/Russian client state. Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24M in 2015. If everybody and their mother has been in Syria to arm rebels and fight, why can't Turkey ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: It doesn’t, but the US, Canada, Britain, France, and other allies should be working on an effective plan to get Turkey out of there. I wouldn’t leave this to Erdogan and Putin. All those countries are also nato members and are basically now crippled. Only real chance to save the kurds now is the u.s. or the russians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will not hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry, as she does not have all the votes needed, and it would put a lot of pressure on vulnerable Democrats. Try harder Nancy ! Quote WASHINGTON — House Democrats won't be voting soon to formalize the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump. That's according to people familiar with Speaker Nancy Pelosi's message behind closed doors to her colleagues Tuesday. Pelosi had gathered lawmakers for a closed session after House leaders surveyed rank-and-file members about it. http://www.startribune.com/ap-source-ex-trump-adviser-objected-to-ambassador-s-firing/563110722/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 No impeachment vote yet: After a closed-door meeting with her caucus, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is holding off on a full vote to authorize a formal impeachment inquiry. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/us/politics/democratic-debate-impeaching-trump.amp.html Something tells me it ain't over yet, but maybe they wont. Honestly the whole impeachment thing has been seriously overplayed lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/15/politics/alaska-national-forest-logging/index.html Oh man I can already see the protesters foaming at the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Cannucklehead said: All those countries are also nato members and are basically now crippled. Only real chance to save the kurds now is the u.s. or the russians. The Kurds can save themselves. No need for a white knight to save them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf According to Moody's, even under the best case scenario for the Democrats, where they get maximum turnout, they need to win Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Virginia to squeak out a win over Trump. If they lose even one of those states and don't go five for five in the key battleground states, they lose, and according to the models, all five of those swing states lean Republican unless the Dems get max turnout. Ohio and Florida are no longer swing states, according to their models. The Democrats are screwed. Edited October 16, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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