America under President Trump

segnosaur · January 16, 2017

45 minutes ago, CaliforniaUberAlles said:

John Lewis has still done way more for my country than Donald Trump ever will

But, but... Trump sacrificed so much in order to help America! Much more than fake war heroes like McCain and the Kahn family. He said so himself when he talked about how hard he worked to become rich!

And don't forget, Trump also has a purple heart! You don't get one of those unless you're a real hero.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-purple-heart-226565

?Impact · January 16, 2017

10 hours ago, segnosaur said:

Yes, the man making those comments should definitely retire. Or get thrown in jail for being a dumbass. For once I agree... the person making those comments probably has brain damage.

Are we talking about Donald Trump here, because that comment applies to him in spades.

BubberMiley · January 16, 2017

25 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

Are we talking about Donald Trump here, because that comment applies to him in spades.

Yes. Trump made the quotes. Fooling some of these people is like shooting fish in a barrel.

segnosaur · January 16, 2017

2 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Yes. Trump made the quotes. Fooling some of these people is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Darnit, you just spoiled the joke.

Next thing you'll telling people is that there is no Santa Clause.

betsy · January 16, 2017

22 hours ago, Argus said:

More quotes from Lewis! You can't deny he's persistent!

"We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided! "

"Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us."

"This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!"

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."

"More votes equals a loss. Revolution!"

What did Lewis do?

From what I understand, all he did was march in a civil rights protest and got clonked in the head....and now he's a hero? :lol:

More like Lewis capitalized on Trump so he can really boost the sales of his book!

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John Lewis books sell out on Amazon day after Trump's tweets

http://abc7chicago.com/news/john-lewis-books-sell-out-on-amazon-day-after-trumps-tweets/1704151/

Edited January 16, 2017 by betsy

BubberMiley · January 16, 2017

18 minutes ago, betsy said:

What did Lewis do?

From what I understand, all he did was march in a civil rights protest and got clonked in the head....and now he's a hero?

Overrated! That'll teach him to demand a president who can't be tried for treason!

segnosaur · January 16, 2017

24 minutes ago, betsy said:

What did Lewis do?

Answer: More than Trump did.

From what I understand, all he did was march in a civil rights protest and got clonked in the head....and now he's a hero?

Lewis and the rest of the civil rights protesters at Selma engaged in a march knowing full well that they were risking significant injury. And they did so not for some guaranteed financial windfall, but because they felt that all Americans should be treated equally under the law and were willing to risk their lives to try to make that happen (something that was not guaranteed). Risking your life in the pursuit of a noble cause is something that should be celebrated.

Meanwhile, while Lewis was risking his life over the basic principle that discrimination is bad, the Trump family was actively working to prevent black people from inhabiting their buildings. And today, Trump continues that proud legacy by selecting Jeff Sessions, a man who actually said that he thought the KKK was OK (until he learned that they smoked pot.)

Hmmm... I wonder if jebus actually existed, which of the 2 he would side with... a man who thought "all men should be treated equally" or the man who thought "I don't want black people around".

?Impact · January 16, 2017

49 minutes ago, betsy said:

From what I understand, all he did was march in a civil rights protest and got clonked in the head....and now he's a hero?

Yes, and injured soldiers that send up for what is right and get injured are not heroes either. Firemen that run into burning building are not heroes, etc. Putting your life on the line for something bigger than yourself is not a sign of being a hero. Blessed be those who inherit millions from their rich daddies, for they shall be the heroes.

Edited January 16, 2017 by ?Impact

CaliforniaUberAlles · January 16, 2017

Lewis organized the March on Washington, and the March at Selma, and was nearly killed at the latter. He was an outspoken civil rights hero, and was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Personally, I think that's kind of a big deal. But maybe civil rights doesn't matter to you, idk.

CaliforniaUberAlles · January 16, 2017

Additionally, he's not just capitalizing on Trump to sell books - he was fighting for freedom when Trump was still dodging the draft. He's been a great defender of black people for half a century, and has been a successful congressman for 30 years. But yeah, he's just some nobody who Trump deserved to insult on fuckin' MLK weekend.

segnosaur · January 16, 2017

Ok, latest Trumpism.... Now he wants to come up a new arms deal with Russia to limit nuclear weapons, in exchange for lifting sanctions.

Al right, lets take a look at what's wrong with that particular proposal, shall we?

- Trump said he wants to limit arms, but it was only a short time ago that he wanted to increase American nuclear capability. Someone should explain to him that such rapid shifts in policy can be detrimental to American foreign policy

- So he wants to limit nuclear weapons... why exactly should he offer the lifting of sanctions as part of that? The sanctions were implemented in response to Russia's actions against Crimea and Ukraine... they had nothing to do with Russia's nuclear stockpile. And limiting the number of nuclear weapons should be reward enough by itself.

I think its pretty clear what's happening here... Trump is Putin's patsy. He wants to do something nice for his Master, so he makes up a fake excuse (negotiating a nuclear treaty) in order to justify the lifting of sanctions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-arms-deal-idUSKBN14Z0YE

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-nuclear-arms-race-russia-232944

segnosaur · January 16, 2017

8 minutes ago, CaliforniaUberAlles said:

Additionally, he's not just capitalizing on Trump to sell books - he was fighting for freedom when Trump was still dodging the draft. He's been a great defender of black people for half a century, and has been a successful congressman for 30 years. But yeah, he's just some nobody who Trump deserved to insult on fuckin' MLK weekend.

And Trump couldn't even stick to the issue at hand.

Ok, Lewis pointed out that Trump's victory was tainted by Russian influence. (Not exactly a unique argument.) There are many ways Trump could have dealt with that... he could have taken the high road and suggested "I think the American people are smarter than to be fooled by Russian influence". Puts Lewis and Trump's other critics on the defensive. Or he could have turned the other cheek and said something like "Sorry Lewis feels that way. He's done great things. Hopefully I'll eventually earn his trust". Shows willingness to mend fences with others.

Instead, what do we get? A petty attack on Lewis about how his district is "falling apart" (which may not necessarily be correct... its average income is pretty close to the national average, and its crime rate has been falling over the past few years, just like in the rest of the country.) And not only does it highlight Trump's petty, vindictive nature, it also illustrates how hypocritical he is, considering Trump was willing to label past elections as 'flawed' when they went against the Republicans. Ignorant, petty and hypocritical... A Trump hat trick.

bush_cheney2004 · January 16, 2017

Many U.S. presidents have solicited and entered into strategic arms negotiations leading to ratified treaties between the United States & Soviet Union/Russia:

Richard Nixon

Gerald Ford

Jimmy Carter (START II delayed as "punishment" for the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979)

Ronald Reagan

George H. W. Bush

Bill Clinton

George W. Bush

Barack Obama

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USRussiaNuclearAgreementsMarch2010

Edited January 16, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

Topaz · January 16, 2017

Gee. I think someone should some time should give some kind of medal, besides his statue, to President Lincoln, since its his movement towards the Blacks, they wouldn't have the freedom, who was a Republican and to President Kennedy, a Democrat, who help Black attend college in the South during the 1960's.

CaliforniaUberAlles · January 16, 2017

8 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Gee. I think someone should some time should give some kind of medal, besides his statue, to President Lincoln, since its his movement towards the Blacks, they wouldn't have the freedom, who was a Republican and to President Kennedy, a Democrat, who help Black attend college in the South during the 1960's.

Well, Kennedy indeed did win the Medal of Freedom, and it was created in 1963 and rarely award posthumously, so its unlikely Lincoln would win it.

segnosaur · January 16, 2017

2 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Gee. I think someone should some time should give some kind of medal, besides his statue, to President Lincoln, since its his movement towards the Blacks, they wouldn't have the freedom, who was a Republican and to President Kennedy, a Democrat, who help Black attend college in the South during the 1960's.

Yes indeed, Lincoln was a republican, and at one point it was the republicans who were the ones who pushed for greater equality while the democrats were the ones who wanted to maintain slavery. But, somewhere in the mid-20th century that all changed. Eventually, it ended up being the Democrats who were the ones pushing for civil rights, and it was the republicans who were quite content to see minorities treated as second class citizens. (Ok, perhaps not all republicans feel that way, but the republicans are the ones who have attempted to disenfranchise minority voters with things like voter ID laws. And Trump was pushing for more use of Stop and Frisk, a policy that tends to target minorities.)

sharkman · January 16, 2017

This thread is trolls trolling each other. When are we going to be done with jerking each other around?

kimmy · January 17, 2017

5 hours ago, betsy said:

What did Lewis do?

From what I understand, all he did was march in a civil rights protest and got clonked in the head....and now he's a hero?

Why would you laugh at something like that?

This was one of the key leaders of the civil rights movement of the 1960s, who faced violence many times, not just at the bridge on the march to Selma, but also from white mobs and the KKK as he confronted segregation and the denial of voting rights face to face.

What kind of person would ridicule a man who subjected himself to violence and literally faced death to fight for civil rights? The same kind of person who ridiculed the years of torture John McCain endured in North Vietnamese prisons? I suppose you prefer civil rights heroes that weren't beaten bloody by State Troopers?

I understand that many people disagree with John Lewis's view that Trump isn't the legitimate president. I don't agree with John Lewis's view. But to go one step farther and not just attack his view, but also mock his life's work, to me seems like an astounding low point.

-k

bush_cheney2004 · January 17, 2017

21 minutes ago, kimmy said:

....I understand that many people disagree with John Lewis's view that Trump isn't the legitimate president. I don't agree with John Lewis's view. But to go one step farther and not just attack his view, but also mock his life's work, to me seems like an astounding low point.

Agreed...Rep. John Lewis started this fight and Trump retaliated in Trump fashion. Civil rights leaders are not gods. Lewis and SNCC were also attacked in real time by the Black Panther Party and other Americans.

If Lewis does not respect Trump's presidency or "life's work", then turnabout is fair play.

Edited January 17, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

BubberMiley · January 17, 2017

11 hours ago, kimmy said:

I understand that many people disagree with John Lewis's view that Trump isn't the legitimate president. I don't agree with John Lewis's view. But to go one step farther and not just attack his view, but also mock his life's work, to me seems like an astounding low point.

-k

But that's what they do. You don't hear anybody taking issue with what Meryl Streep said. Nobody is going to argue that there's nothing wrong with mocking disabled people. Rather than take the high road and admit that hat was a mistake, they double down and attack Meryl Streep's life's work instead. Somehow, if she's brought down a peg or two, it won't seem so bad that Trump mocked a disabled person.

Yeah, I know, it makes no sense. But we're talking Trump supporters here.

betsy · January 17, 2017

17 hours ago, segnosaur said:

Answer: More than Trump did.

Lewis and the rest of the civil rights protesters at Selma engaged in a march knowing full well that they were risking significant injury. And they did so not for some guaranteed financial windfall, but because they felt that all Americans should be treated equally under the law and were willing to risk their lives to try to make that happen (something that was not guaranteed). Risking your life in the pursuit of a noble cause is something that should be celebrated.

Meanwhile, while Lewis was risking his life over the basic principle that discrimination is bad, the Trump family was actively working to prevent black people from inhabiting their buildings. And today, Trump continues that proud legacy by selecting Jeff Sessions, a man who actually said that he thought the KKK was OK (until he learned that they smoked pot.)

Hmmm... I wonder if jebus actually existed, which of the 2 he would side with... a man who thought "all men should be treated equally" or the man who thought "I don't want black people around".

So what!

That doesn't exempt him from criticisms - after all, he's promoting the very same divisiveness that he's claimed to have fought for! He's a hypocrite who's using that event to promote the un-American agenda of trying to delegitimize Trump!

The way you folks kneel down to everyone who fought for civil rights like as if they're gods on their pedestal, is quite pathetic!

:rolleyes:

Never mind bringing up the Christian card! You don't know everything about the lives of these two men! But if we're going to rely on this feud between Trump and Lewis, I'd say Jesus would tell Lewis:

UNITE! Get over it!

Edited January 17, 2017 by betsy

betsy · January 17, 2017

Lewis should get on the wagon with Martin Luther King, jr!

UNITY!

Lewis is behaving like a petulant child.

Edited January 17, 2017 by betsy

BubberMiley · January 17, 2017

7 minutes ago, betsy said:

That doesn't exempt him from criticisms - after all, he's promoting the very same divisiveness that he's claimed to have fought for! He's a hypocrite who's using that event to promote the un-American agenda of trying to delegitimize Trump!

He was put in place because of treason. There's nothing more pro-American than delegitmizing his presidency.

But it's hilarious hearing the people who tried to delegitmize Obama for 8 years whining about unity now.

Edited January 17, 2017 by BubberMiley

betsy · January 17, 2017

11 hours ago, kimmy said:

Why would you laugh at something like that?

This was one of the key leaders of the civil rights movement of the 1960s, who faced violence many times, not just at the bridge on the march to Selma, but also from white mobs and the KKK as he confronted segregation and the denial of voting rights face to face.

What kind of person would ridicule a man who subjected himself to violence and literally faced death to fight for civil rights? The same kind of person who ridiculed the years of torture John McCain endured in North Vietnamese prisons? I suppose you prefer civil rights heroes that weren't beaten bloody by State Troopers?

I understand that many people disagree with John Lewis's view that Trump isn't the legitimate president. I don't agree with John Lewis's view. But to go one step farther and not just attack his view, but also mock his life's work, to me seems like an astounding low point.

-k

I'm laughing at the way people behave around civil rights protesters! Like Lewis.

betsy · January 17, 2017

17 hours ago, ?Impact said:

Yes, and injured soldiers that send up for what is right and get injured are not heroes either. Firemen that run into burning building are not heroes, etc. Putting your life on the line for something bigger than yourself is not a sign of being a hero. Blessed be those who inherit millions from their rich daddies, for they shall be the heroes.

Their heroism get tarnished when they do stupid things!