America under President Trump

[Carlus Magnus]

23 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Manafort became head of the campaign in March 2016. The investigation was  opened in July 2016 not because of the Steele dossier but because an unusual number of Russian spies (Papadopolous, Manafort, etc.) were part of his campaign. You are free to deny reality because you can't stand how stupid it makes you feel.

Negative.

Nellie Ohr who was working simultaneously for the FBI and Fusion GPS started investigating Trump in December of 2015.  Learn your facts.  

The FBI and DOJ have been so confused about what the pretext for investigation was they have shifted between Manafort, Carter Page, Popodopulous and the Steele dossier.  Regardless, all those people have never been charged with any crime related to the Trump campaign or presidency.

The bottom line is Trump is the most investigated candidate and POTUS in US history.  They started investigating him almost a year before he was elected and still are today.  He's either cleanest modern POTUS or the greatest criminal mastermind every.  

Mueller is a tool, with a poor track record.

BTW: still haven't seen a shred of documentation for your CNN talking points yet.

 

[BubberMiley]

Who told you Nellie Ohr was working for the FBI? Learn your facts. She wasn't.

The FBI isn't confused. You are. They have been clear that they started the investigation because they thought it was weird that all these Russian spies were working for the Trump campaign. Are you saying that shouldn't have been investigated?

How clean could Trump be with Michael Cohen working as his personal lawyer and fiancé deputy chair of the RNC? You would say yourself that he is a vile, lying enemy of the people, wouldn't you? You'd think the FBI wouldn't be doing its job if it didn't investigate someone who has such a sleazebag working for him.

But which fact that I cited do you require documentation of?

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by BubberMiley

[Carlus Magnus]

27 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The FISA warrant was issued because of the Steele Dossier, that is a fact. You pretending it's about something else that doesn't warrant probable cause, doesn't change reality.

Agreed, it is fact.

The initial information for the Steele Dossier was compiled by Nellie Ohr, then she worked with Glen Simpson at Fusion GPS who took the info and funneled it to Chirstopher Steele.  Steele added to it with information from Russian Intel agents then packaged it up.  Nellie Ohr passed it on to her husband Bruce Ohr at the DOJ.  Fusion GPS was paid by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton Campaign for the Steele Dossier as Opposition Research.  The claims in the Steele Dossier were proven false.  The DOJ and FBI used bad opposition research compiled by DOJ associates and foreign agents from at least 2 countries to get a FISA Warrant. 

This was a poorly planned and executed mission on the part of the Obama Admin, but was necessary to cover their tracks once Trump was elected because the Obama Admin had been investigating Trump and spying on him since the start of 2016.

 

[Carlus Magnus]

2 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Who told you Nellie Ohr was working for the FBI? Learn your facts. She wasn't.

 

Read the link I posted and the references. 

I've seen no proof or documentation of anything you've said.  I can take no stock in any of your words.

 

[BubberMiley]

1 minute ago, Carlus Magnus said:

Agreed, it is fact.

The initial information for the Steele Dossier was compiled by Nellie Ohr, then she worked with Glen Simpson at Fusion GPS who took the info and funneled it to Chirstopher Steele.  Steele added to it with information from Russian Intel agents then packaged it up.  Nellie Ohr passed it on to her husband Bruce Ohr at the DOJ.  Fusion GPS was paid by the DNC and the Hillary Clinton Campaign for the Steele Dossier as Opposition Research.  The claims in the Steele Dossier were proven false.  The DOJ and FBI used bad opposition research compiled by DOJ associates and foreign agents from at least 2 countries to get a FISA Warrant. 

This was a poorly planned and executed mission on the part of the Obama Admin, but was necessary to cover their tracks once Trump was elected because the Obama Admin had been investigating Trump and spying on him since the start of 2016.

 

So you admit you didn't know what  you were talking about when you said Ohr was working for the FBI.

The Steele dossier was a small part of the evidence. There was also all the Russian spies working for him, like Carter Page, Papadopolous, Manafort....

The warrant is granted by a judge, not the FBI. The judge saw all the evidence, which was heavily redacted for national security reasons. So they saw the evidence and you and I did not. But based on the evidence, a judge said yes, indeed, it is appropriate to investigate all these spies working with Trump. His cronies Manafort and Papadopolous have already been convicted of spying or lying about it.

[BubberMiley]

2 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

Read the link I posted and the references. 

I've seen no proof or documentation of anything you've said.  I can take no stock in any of your words.

 

Again, what don't you believe? That Manafort and Papadopolous and Page were Russian agents? Haven't they already admitted their crimes?

[Yzermandius19]

Colluding with Russia is not a crime, and it isn't probable cause either. Manafort, Papadopolous and Page's crimes weren't uncovered until the investigation began, they were fishing for a smoking gun on Trump, and when that wasn't forthcoming, they settled for smaller fish, hoping that would lead them to the big fish, but it didn't.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[BubberMiley]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Colluding with Russia is not a crime, and it isn't probable cause either. Manafort, Papadopolous and Page's crimes weren't uncovered until the investigation began, they were fishing for a smoking gun on Trump, and when that wasn't forthcoming, they settled for smaller fish, hoping that would lead them to the big fish, but it didn't.

You need to register as an agent for a foreign government. They didn't do that and lied about it later. It must have been very upsetting for you when you found out they were all slimy criminals working for Russia. I can see why you feel the need to blame anybody else so you don't have to deal with the embarrassment of how badly conned you were.

[Carlus Magnus]

Show me one bit of evidence that Manafort, Page or Popodopulous was spying for Russia as part of the Trump campaign...…………… Your making stuff up.  Do you even know what they were charged with ?

Here's Nellie Ohr listed with her husband and a bunch of other government folks listing who they work for.  Mrs. Nellie Ohr was not only a Fusion GPS contracted employee, but she was also part of the CIA’s Open Source Works, in Washington DC

Here's the original US government, official source Document https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230846.pdf

 

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

You need to register as an agent for a foreign government. They didn't do that and lied about it later. It must have been very upsetting for you when you found out they were all slimy criminals working for Russia. I can see why you feel the need to blame anybody else so you don't have to deal with the embarrassment of how badly conned you were.

Tons of lobbyists don't register, but only people associating with Trump being singled out for it, yawnzilla. Throw them in jail for shit that goes on all the time, on a technicality, sure, go right ahead, Trump will skate away unscathed regardless, only the Democrats think getting those chumps is some big victory. Tony Podesta isn't going to jail, he does the same shit, but because he works for the Clinton's and not Trump, so. he gets a pass.

Roger Stone will go to Supermax for our sins, mission accomplished. G Gordon Libby would be proud.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[BubberMiley]

11 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

've seen no proof or documentation of anything you've said.  I can take no stock in any of your words.

 

Again. What are you talking about?

 

[Carlus Magnus]

You make outlandish claims that Trump was colluding with Russia, that people in the Trump campaign were spying for Russia...…………….. where's the proof.

 

[BubberMiley]

2 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

Show me one bit of evidence that Manafort, Page or Popodopulous was spying for Russia as part of the Trump campaign...…………… Your making stuff up.  Do you even know what they were charged with ?

Here's Nellie Ohr listed with her husband and a bunch of other government folks listing who they work for.  Mrs. Nellie Ohr was not only a Fusion GPS contracted employee, but she was also part of the CIA’s Open Source Works, in Washington DC

Here's the original US government, official source Document https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230846.pdf

 

Ah, now it's the CIA, not the FBI. And how is that relevant? Was the CIA investigating too?

[Carlus Magnus]

You asked how Nellie Ohr was being paid by the US government.  Do you even remember what you say?

 

[BubberMiley]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Tons of lobbyists don't register, but only people associating with Trump being singled out for it, yawnzilla. Throw them in jail for shit that goes on all the time, on a technicality, sure, go right ahead, Trump will skate away unscathed regardless, only the Democrats think getting those chumps is some big victory.

Roger Stone will go to Supermax for our sins, mission accomplished. G Gordon Libby would be proud.

Tons? Really? How do you know that?

[BubberMiley]

Just now, Carlus Magnus said:

You asked how Nellie Ohr was being paid by the US government.  Do you even remember what you say?

 

No, you said the following:

30 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

 

Nellie Ohr who was working simultaneously for the FBI and Fusion GPS started investigating Trump in December of 2015.  Learn your facts.  

 

I said, no, she was not working for the FBI and that you are indeed the one who should learn his facts. Do you even remember what you say?

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, BubberMiley said:

Tons? Really? How do you know that?

Because it's common practice in Washington DC. Tony Podesta Knows, but he works for Clinton, so he gets the kid gloves treatment, it's only illegal when Trump associates do it, apparently. It's a technicality they only use to take down people they don't like, double standard is obvious.

[BubberMiley]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Because it's common practice in Washington DC. Tony Podesta Knows, but he works for Clinton, so he gets the kid gloves treatment, it's only illegal when Trump associates do it, apparently. It's a technicality they only use to take down people they don't like, double standard is obvious.

But how do you know it's common practice? You must have gotten that information from somewhere.

[Carlus Magnus]

1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

No, you said the following:

I said, no, she was not working for the FBI and that you are indeed the one who should learn his facts. Do you even remember what you say?

Meh, she was being paid by the US Government to spy on Donald Trump in December of 2015.  Doesn't change the argument at all.  It shows clearly that the US government under the Obama Administration was Spying on Donald Trump illicitly and without cause.  Which is where all this discussion started.

 

[Carlus Magnus]

2 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

But how do you know it's common practice? You must have gotten that information from somewhere.

It's common practice

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-indictment-foreign-lobbying-russia-probe-215764

 

[BubberMiley]

Just now, Carlus Magnus said:

Meh, she was being paid by the US Government to spy on Donald Trump in December of 2015.  Doesn't change the argument at all.  It shows clearly that the US government under the Obama Administration was Spying on Donald Trump illicitly and without cause.  Which is where all this discussion started.

 

You're saying the CIA was also spying on Trump now? Do you just improvise "facts" as you go along when you realize don't know what you're talking about?

[Carlus Magnus]

1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

You're saying the CIA was also spying on Trump now? Do you just improvise "facts" as you go along when you realize don't know what you're talking about?

I presented facts, and original official US government documents to prove Nellie Ohr was being paid by the US Government while she was investigating Donald Trump in December 2015.

 

What do you call it ?

 

[BubberMiley]

2 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

I presented facts, and original official US government documents to prove Nellie Ohr was being paid by the US Government while she was investigating Donald Trump in December 2015.

 

What do you call it ?

 

The fact that she was an open source researcher for the CIA in 2010 proves she was investigating the Trump campaign for the FBI in 2015?  Wow. Good one.

[BubberMiley]

9 minutes ago, Carlus Magnus said:

It's common practice

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/30/paul-manafort-indictment-foreign-lobbying-russia-probe-215764

 

Nobody is disputing that slimy criminals who launder money for foreign mobs get increased scrutiny when they are campaign managers for presidential campaigns. That's how it should be. Most of us like the idea of not having slimy criminals in such high places. Only a Trump supporter would whine that that is unfair treatment.

[Carlus Magnus]

5 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

The fact that she was an open source researcher for the CIA in 2010 proves she was investigating the Trump campaign for the FBI in 2015?  Wow. Good one.

I've posted all the links and documents to confirm what I'm saying.  If you wish to cling to ignorance.  I can't help you.