America under President Trump

[Queenmandy85]

You ignore the Chief, and Mulroney. They were of the Party of MacDonald. Reform is the Party of that lewd, vulgar Lincoln.

Edited September 3, 2018 by Queenmandy85

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

Macdonald and Borden led the Conservative party, not the abortion that was the Progressive conservatives.

So is the new Conservative party an abortion-abortion ?  Or un-abortion ?

[Michael Hardner]

When Reform invaded the PC party and turned it into a National Conservative Party again it wasn't a throwback to the old Conservative party which didn't include Albertans or Saskatchewanians in opposition when they ran in 1908.  Those provinces were Liberal red at that time.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1908

[Argus]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) The bulk of the information used to get a FISA warrant came from the dossier complied by Fusion GPS, for Hillary Clinton, by some Russians and a Brit

1. The investigation was already well-underway when this became available.
2. It was largely financed by Trump's Republican opponent Jeb Bush, who hired a British ex-intelligence officer to compile information.

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 to influence an election. AKA, Russian collusion. 2) The FISA court, like any other, isn't supposed to deal with unverified information. The FBI wasn't supposed to present a complete work of fiction to the judge -

Only Trump loyalists say that the dossier was completely wrong. And they say so with zero actual knowledge of what is and is not correct. If the courts felt it was a work of fiction then the warrant would have been declared invalid. They have not done so.

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As of now the bulk of the information provided by Christopher Steele has been found to be completely inaccurate.

By FOX news.

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3) Disclosures are extremely important in the legal system, they're not just a formality. You can't get anyone to sign a legal document before important disclosures are made to them or in most cases the document is null and void and as a professional you can face serious discipline. It's no less important to make disclosures before you present a document to a judge

It was disclosed.

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Argus do you know how many FBI and DOJ officials have been fired, demoted, or resigned?

I know that Trump wants the justice department to be his political police force and wants to force out anyone not loyal to him. I know Trump rages against his own attorney general appointee for allowing the department to investigate Republicans and not putting a stop to the investigation of him, and that he wants the justice department to instead investigate his political enemies and those who criticize him. I also know he's hounded any FBI official who dared to stand up to him. That's what I know.

 

Edited September 3, 2018 by Argus

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So is the new Conservative party an abortion-abortion ?  Or un-abortion ?

In my opinion its actually most of the way back to being the Progressive Conservatives, a place where conservative principles are locked tightly away and only brought out at night in front of loyalists, where the media can't see. I can't think, offhand, of one conservative principle this party fully embraces aside from a declaration that it will return to balanced budgets. And that's something MULCAIR promised last election...

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[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, Argus said:

Such as whom? A couple who exchanged anti-Trump texts with each other prior to the election? Do you think all public servants are neutral and have no personal political favorites? 

 

I don't think that it's enough to just "fire" people like McCabe who were known to have altered witness statements. I think that the people who lied to congress under oath should face prosecution. 

Every document that Strzok signed, and every official statement and directive that he made, needs to be examined now to find out if his bias resulted in malfeasance.

[Argus]

9 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You ignore the Chief, and Mulroney. They were of the Party of MacDonald. Reform is the Party of that lewd, vulgar Lincoln.

The Chief was a ranting prick and Mulroney was a thief. You're welcome to them.

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't think that it's enough to just "fire" people like McCabe who were known to have altered witness statements.

Fiction. 

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I think that the people who lied to congress under oath should face prosecution. 

Just because someone says something which disagrees with Trump does not prove they lied. If the Trumptards in congress like Devon Nunes could show one of Trump's enemies lied before committee you can be damn sure he'd be moving to prosecute him. He can't, so he isn't. Stop listening to the raving loonies on FOX.

 

Edited September 3, 2018 by Argus

[Queenmandy85]

Just now, Argus said:

The Chief was a ranting prick and Mulroney was a thief. You're welcome to them.

Thank you. I hope I am also welcome to Joe Clark and the Great Tory Crusade of Hugh Segal. 

[Argus]

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

Thank you. I hope I am also welcome to Joe Clark and the Great Tory Crusade of Hugh Segal. 

Yes. My generosity is boundless, this morning.

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Argus said:

Likely money laundering, bribery and racketeering, along with income tax fraud and sanctions busting. And that's IF nothing can be directly proven about him cooperating with Putin. If that can be proven then add treason to the mix.

According to the National Enquirer.

You realize that most of the FBI and justice department are Republicans and both have Trump appointed leaders, right?

The Republican appointed special counsel investigating Bill Clinton spent 3 years on the job, and unlike Mueller it didn't have to send people all over the world to try and ferret information out of foreign oligarchs and bankers.

 

OK, can you explain to me where you've seen evidence that he committed those crimes? No one has ever said that they actually have any. Russian collusion is obviously a snipe hunt now, because if it was really  a thing then Hillary is known to be guilty of it.

Think of this - the "big thing" now is whether or not Trump knew that his son attended a meeting with a Russian woman who said she had election dirt on Hillary. How bad is it to listen to what someone else offers to tell you? Is it worse to look for Russians to help you, and pay them money to work for you, like Hillary did? I think so.

 

National enquirer? Check out snopes. Emails that the FBI informed her, and the company maintaining her servers, were to be saved were destroyed after they were subpoenaed. 

 

McCain was a "Republican" too.

 

I don't care about Bill Clinton's investigation, and the reason for investigating "oligarchs and bankers in Russia" is pretty obvious. Are you kidding me?

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Argus said:

You realize he is a Republican appointed by a Republican deputy attorney general - who himself was appointed by Trump, right?

RINO

[Argus]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

OK, can you explain to me where you've seen evidence that he committed those crimes? No one has ever said that they actually have any. Russian collusion is obviously a snipe hunt now, because if it was really  a thing then Hillary is known to be guilty of it.

There is exactly ZERO evidence Hillary is guilty of Russian collusion. Trump's own Justice Department, run by people he appointed, has already dismissed it. 

If you examine Trump's history, which is very open because he's an unparalleled braggart, his tactic was 'whatever I can get away with". Even according to him that included paying off local officials, paying off mobsters and union leaders in New York.  After his multiple bankruptcies he couldn't get financing in the US, and he went abroad for it. According to DJ junior a lot of that was from Russian oligarchs. FYI there is no separation between Russian oligarchs and the Russian government. All Trump's business and financial arrangements with these men will be known to Putin. Which means if Trump continued his habit of "whatever I can get away with" by laundering money for them, by helping them dodge sanctions, by scratching their back while they scratched his, by not declaring this money for tax purposes, Putin now has the ability to put him and likely his sons in prison. That is why the Mueller probe is looking into the background of Trump's business dealings abroad.

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Think of this - the "big thing" now is whether or not Trump knew that his son attended a meeting with a Russian woman who said she had election dirt on Hillary.

No, that's simply what is publicly known. And the inference is that Russia isn't going to provide dirt on Clinton without a quid pro quo from Trump. That's what's illegal.

 

[Argus]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

RINO

As opposed to Trump who's been a Republican for two years now? And who, throughout his entire long life, never suggested any interest in Republican ideals or Republican policies, who gave money to Democrats and supported Bill Clinton?

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

1. The investigation was already well-underway when this became available.
2. It was largely financed by Trump's Republican opponent Jeb Bush, who hired a British ex-intelligence officer to compile information.

Only Trump loyalists say that the dossier was completely wrong. And they say so with zero actual knowledge of what is and is not correct. If the courts felt it was a work of fiction then the warrant would have been declared invalid. They have not done so.

By FOX news.

It was disclosed.

I know that Trump wants the justice department to be his political police force and wants to force out anyone not loyal to him. I know Trump rages against his own attorney general appointee for allowing the department to investigate Republicans and not putting a stop to the investigation of him, and that he wants the justice department to instead investigate his political enemies and those who criticize him. I also know he's hounded any FBI official who dared to stand up to him. That's what I know.

 

1) They had to apply for the FISA warrant 4 times to renew it. The info was definitely available the 4th time around, if not the first or second. 

2) Bush started it, and the Russians became involved under Hillary.

3) Van Jones from CNN even admitted russian collusion was a big nothingburger on hidden video. It's not just "Fox News" who knows. 

 The investigation is still going on because Mueller is looking for dirt elsewhere. That's not how the FBI is supposed to opertae. They're supposed to know about a crime before they obtain warrants to investigate people. Not start an investigation based on opposition research and then squeeze people who work with the subject of your investigation for information. ""96 years in jail, or 6 if you rat out someone who we don't even know to have committed a crime" lol. It's a joke.

4) By Fox news? By everyone in Congress who is part of the investigation. Not one Democrat has ever said that they were aware of a crime yet and they've been asked point blank. Adam Schiff makes claims all the time and a  week later it's known to be false.

5) No, it wasn't disclosed at all. Congressman Jordan has had access to all the un-redacted FISA warrant submissions and said that the disclosures were not made.

6) It's important for you to acknowledge that you're aware of how many people in the FBI were fired, demoted and/or resigned. Stop dodging. 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Argus said:

Fiction. 

Just because someone says something which disagrees with Trump does not prove they lied. If the Trumptards in congress like Devon Nunes could show one of Trump's enemies lied before committee you can be damn sure he'd be moving to prosecute him. He can't, so he isn't. Stop listening to the raving loonies on FOX.

 

Fiction? LMAO! Then why was he fired? For nothing? Fox news was saying all along that this was an issue, and then he was mystically fired for nothing? Did CNN have any inkling that something was coming down the pipe? No? So weird how they're your trusted news source if they didn't know about things that Fox already said on air, and so weird that they don't think that all the FBI firings are a big deal. The FBI is looking like the KGB now, they have so many agents getting fired and demoted for political corruption. CNN says it's no big deal and you just nod your head?

Do you not notice when CNN blatantly lies to you? When they say things like "Trump's policy of separating children from their families at the border", is that not a huge lie? If not, then can I say "Trump's policy of holding a presidential election every 4 years"? It's equally accurate. If you can't catch CNN lying on an hourly basis then you have a serious problem.  

It's known that Comey, Brennan etc were lying because they were caught saying something on camera that was later proven to be false. That's what lying is. They did it. 

 

Argus you're living in denial, and no that's not in Egypt. 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Argus said:

As opposed to Trump who's been a Republican for two years now? And who, throughout his entire long life, never suggested any interest in Republican ideals or Republican policies, who gave money to Democrats and supported Bill Clinton?

I actually didn't favor a side myself until the last term of Barack Obama. When BC was known to have had an affair with Lewinski I didn't want him impeached. (I watched Hillary's interview after he came clean and that was the first moment I knew she was rotten to the core). I think that every American likes JFK. 

The Democrat party of today espouses Antifa and BLM violence, hatred and mistrust of the police, they are extremely weak on terrorism, they are rife with socialists and Hillary is a despicable person. 

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Penderyn said:

Might be interesting if there were any evidence whatever for these rantings, but alas, it's just Trump trumping.   People in America kill one another with guns, because the salesmen have you by the short and hairy, mugs.

Just punch in gangland killings in Chicago on the internet and there you will get all the information that you require for proof. It's not Trump ranting, it is the internet ranting and telling you what you need to know. Hello. People in Canada kill one another with guns also. So, what's your point, liberal lover? 

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[taxme]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't think that it's enough to just "fire" people like McCabe who were known to have altered witness statements. I think that the people who lied to congress under oath should face prosecution. 

Every document that Strzok signed, and every official statement and directive that he made, needs to be examined now to find out if his bias resulted in malfeasance.

On FOX News Hannity he talks about all the crimes that have been committed by Hillary and McCabe and Comey Strzok etc.etc. but yet the Mule(Mueller)seems to be only concerned about trying to get something on Trump a la Russians. There is nothing on Trump and Russia and yet this witch hunt still goes on and on. Hillary should have been arrested and thrown in jail by now but thanks to Sessions and the Mule she still walks around free. It sure looks like crime pays in America. 

Edited September 3, 2018 by taxme

[taxme]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I actually didn't favor a side myself until the last term of Barack Obama. When BC was known to have had an affair with Lewinski I didn't want him impeached. (I watched Hillary's interview after he came clean and that was the first moment I knew she was rotten to the core). I think that every American likes JFK. 

The Democrat party of today espouses Antifa and BLM violence, hatred and mistrust of the police, they are extremely weak on terrorism, they are rife with socialists and Hillary is a despicable person. 

But yet Trump is always the bogeyman here. Go figure, eh? Even the Canadian left wing liberal media won't leave it alone. Every hour of every day it's Trump-Trump-Trump while our prime mistake is ignored every hour of every day and what that fool is doing to Canada. The Canadian media is a joke. I should not even call the Canadian media a media. They are more like the Enquirer or Mad Magazine. 

I agree. The democratic party is a dangerous communist political party to America. They do support Antifa, BLM and illegal immigration and are full of lying communists. Hillary is truly a deplorable woman. 

[Queenmandy85]

22 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, what's your point, liberal lover? 

You say that like it is a bad thing. Liberal values are shared by many Americans and Canadians. It is a legitimate political view just as Conservative values are. It is only politics. 

[Queenmandy85]

10 minutes ago, taxme said:

The democratic party is a dangerous communist political party

So is the Social Credit Party in Canada. I don't hear you lambasting them.

[taxme]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) They had to apply for the FISA warrant 4 times to renew it. The info was definitely available the 4th time around, if not the first or second. 

2) Bush started it, and the Russians became involved under Hillary.

3) Van Jones from CNN even admitted russian collusion was a big nothingburger on hidden video. It's not just "Fox News" who knows. 

 The investigation is still going on because Mueller is looking for dirt elsewhere. That's not how the FBI is supposed to opertae. They're supposed to know about a crime before they obtain warrants to investigate people. Not start an investigation based on opposition research and then squeeze people who work with the subject of your investigation for information. ""96 years in jail, or 6 if you rat out someone who we don't even know to have committed a crime" lol. It's a joke.

4) By Fox news? By everyone in Congress who is part of the investigation. Not one Democrat has ever said that they were aware of a crime yet and they've been asked point blank. Adam Schiff makes claims all the time and a  week later it's known to be false.

5) No, it wasn't disclosed at all. Congressman Jordan has had access to all the un-redacted FISA warrant submissions and said that the disclosures were not made.

6) It's important for you to acknowledge that you're aware of how many people in the FBI were fired, demoted and/or resigned. Stop dodging. 

Why won't the FBI shows us the rest of the documents that people like Nunes are asking for and Mueller won't ask for? Hundreds of pages are being kept away from being looked at by the Nunes committee. If a politician like Trump says that he wants to "drain the swamp" well why would anyone want to attack such a person? Support the person. So, if we had a politician in Canada that said that they would like to drain the swamp in Ottawa would Mr.A now attack them?  This guy likes to let on that he is so knowledgeable about politics but appears to always want to protect the swamp. I would prefer to listen to FOX News rather than what Mr. A would like us all to listen too. Mr. A likes to dodge. Mr.A lives in a make believe world all of his own. Just saying. 

[Queenmandy85]

Wilbur and Taxme, it is interesting to read your input but I am going to reserve judgement for the conclusions of the investigation. The Mueller investigation may clear the President of all allegations. 

Calling people names weakens the veracity of your arguments. I speak to my self in this regard as well.

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You say that like it is a bad thing. Liberal values are shared by many Americans and Canadians. It is a legitimate political view just as Conservative values are. It is only politics. 

The guy asked a question and I gave him what he needed to know as to where he could get the answer to his question from. Liberals have a problem with hearing the truth. They refuse to believe that there can be someone out there that actually disagrees with their views and opinions. Liberal values are all leftist values. Liberals are all about themselves. They all think that they know best. From my dealings with many liberals, I do not believe that they know much about politics at all. Politics should not be a game about emotionalism and foolish talk or speaking political correctness. Politics should have more to do with using common sense and logic something liberalism appears to try to avoid as much as possible. It is politics that is doing us all in.