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6 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Apparently the law in the US is that he must be impeached before criminal charges can be brought against him. A standing POTUS cannot have criminal charges brought against him. So that will depend on how the prosecutions of Manafort and Cohen go.

To be clear, I am only in mock celebration.  It's sad to me because it appears as though Democracy is falling to its final challenge and Aldous Huxley was right.

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This Witch Hunt sure is finding a lot of legit witches. :lol:

This could actually be an excuse for Trump to stay in office as long as possible. He'll now probably face charges immediately after becoming a private citizen again. 

No one is going to act on Trump before the Mid-Terms. Republicans need the mindless zombies that make up Trump's base to actually win. And Democrats need this election to be about Healthcare, Separating Children from their Parents and Tax Cuts to Billionaires. Not about fear-mongering about impeaching a Republican president. 

 

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2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

To be clear, I am only in mock celebration.  It's sad to me because it appears as though Democracy is falling to its final challenge and Aldous Huxley was right.

The notion of Democracy in the US died a long time ago. This is why you have two parties and only a select few who will ever get to the White House. I'd like to see a 3rd party ..  well the US could use a two party system.

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6 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

The notion of Democracy in the US died a long time ago. This is why you have two parties and only a select few who will ever get to the White House. I'd like to see a 3rd party ..  well the US could use a two party system.

Often fringe support for 3rd parties is what leads to opposite results than what's intended. See Ross Perot in 1993 and Ralph Nader in 2000. 

Some would argue that when the PCs or CPC win elections is solely the fault of the NDP, completely ignoring there's a faction of Liberal voters that would never vote NDP. Regardless there's not a sense of fringe with the NDP, there is with 3rd party candidates in the US. 

I believe Teddy Rosevelt took the 3rd party approach way back. 

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Just now, Boges said:

Often fringe support for 3rd parties is what leads to opposite results than what's intended. See Ross Perot in 1993 and Ralph Nader in 2000. 

Some would argue that when the PCs or CPC win elections is solely the fault of the NDP, completely ignoring there's a faction of Liberal voters that would never vote NDP. Regardless there's not a sense of fringe with the NDP, there is with 3rd party candidates in the US. 

I believe Teddy Rosevelt took the 3rd party approach way back. 

What causes the resistance to a 3rd party in the USA?

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14 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

What causes the resistance to a 3rd party in the USA?

You take votes away from the other party. 

A vote for a Leftist party over the Dems is a vote for the Conservative candidate. 

We see that kind of fear-mongering from Canadian Liberals when they stand to lose to the Conservatives in an election. 

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8 minutes ago, Boges said:

You take votes away from the other party.

And what would be the problem there?  If Option A and B are really not options, then go for Option C. Don't look at it like taking a vote away from the other party,  how about giving it to the party you want to get in. But that shows more that democracy is dead if the approach is not to vote for another 3rd party because it takes votes aware from the other two parties.

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27 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

And what would be the problem there?  If Option A and B are really not options, then go for Option C. Don't look at it like taking a vote away from the other party,  how about giving it to the party you want to get in. But that shows more that democracy is dead if the approach is not to vote for another 3rd party because it takes votes aware from the other two parties.

I guess. Some would call it strategic voting or voting for the realistic main rival of the person you don't want to win. 

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14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. They're Republicans.... Mueller is a Republican.  The idea that someone can be objective makes peoples heads explode sometimes.

2. Trump is a liar and cheater, who is putting the biggest bunch of lying imbeciles in positions of trust.  I don't know about Democracy, but it's a good enough day...

Mueller was a mistake. He needed to be way harder on members of the FBI and DOJ who broke public trust.

Trump is a duly elected president, he's been far better than Acrock O'Blahblah, and what are some of the huge gaffes that you have seen committed by the "imbeciles" that he put in positions of trust? None of them have dropped the ball like Brennan and Clapper did. Those two are making a mockery of the US Intelligence system. None of Trump's appointees have failed as miserably as those two.

 

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2 hours ago, Boges said:

This Witch Hunt sure is finding a lot of legit witches. :lol:

This could actually be an excuse for Trump to stay in office as long as possible. He'll now probably face charges immediately after becoming a private citizen again. 

No one is going to act on Trump before the Mid-Terms. Republicans need the mindless zombies that make up Trump's base to actually win. And Democrats need this election to be about Healthcare, Separating Children from their Parents and Tax Cuts to Billionaires. Not about fear-mongering about impeaching a Republican president. 

 

What crime will Trump face charges for? Getting two women to sign NDAs? For a total of $280K? That's not a crime and it's a stretch to say that the hush money was "election spending". You're drinking the kool-aid son. Obama's government had over $2M in illegal campaign spending and they just got a fine for less than $400K. Trump isn't getting charged with anything that has come to light so far. Nice try.

Manafort's "crimes" had nothing to do with Russian collusion. Cohen's crimes had nothing to do with Russian collusion. So where are the actual "Russian meddling witches"? Where's the election crime? What did Trump actually do that bears 2 years worth of intense public scrutiny and all these serious allegations? As it stands this is still OFFICIALLY a two year "Russian Collusion" witch hunt without the slightest bit of traction. 

Check this:

In the US it's 100% certain that Hillary committed actual, serious crimes and she's not being prosecuted. It's still unclear of Trump committed a single crime and they're still digging for dirt after two years.

If you don't see the actual glaring problem there then you should steer clear of actual debates about the criminal justice system. FYI the police are supposed to investigate crimes that actually happened, not investigate people that they don't like to see if they've ever committed crimes. That's an important distinction.

This whole Russian Collusion investigation is precisely targeted at the mid-term elections. It's been a political hit-job from the word go. The Democrats don't even have a campaign platform outside of "we hate Trump, we hate lower taxes, we hate that corporations are growing, we hate that unemployment is going down but it's because of Obama (blatant lie)" etc and it's hard to win an election based on pure negativity.

You want the Dems to run based on "Separating Children from their Parents and Tax Cuts to Billionaires"? LMAO, those are just platitudes, not serious topics. Obama separated children from their families and put them in cages. It's not a "trump policy" like CNN and CBC would have you believe. "Tax cuts to billionaires" is just a stupid comment that comes apart 6 ways from Sunday, but if your precious Bernie Sander gets elected and forms a socialist government in 2020 do you know what happens? People who aren't self-made billionaires will start to run massive government programs and make gobs of money while the country slides downhill due to a general lack of motivation within the population, because if being on the bottom rung of the election ladder is cozy then millions of people will be happy to stay there and drain the economy. Socialism - always - fails. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What crime will Trump face charges for? Getting two women to sign NDAs? For a total of $280K? That's not a crime and it's a stretch to say that the hush money was "election spending". You're drinking the kool-aid son. Obama's government had over $2M in illegal campaign spending and they just got a fine for less than $400K. Trump isn't getting charged with anything that has come to light so far. Nice try.

Manafort's "crimes" had nothing to do with Russian collusion. Cohen's crimes had nothing to do with Russian collusion. So where are the actual "Russian meddling witches"? Where's the election crime? What did Trump actually do that bears 2 years worth of intense public scrutiny and all these serious allegations? As it stands this is still OFFICIALLY a two year "Russian Collusion" witch hunt without the slightest bit of traction. 

Check this:

In the US it's 100% certain that Hillary committed actual, serious crimes and she's not being prosecuted. It's still unclear of Trump committed a single crime and they're still digging for dirt after two years.

If you don't see the actual glaring problem there then you should steer clear of actual debates about the criminal justice system. FYI the police are supposed to investigate crimes that actually happened, not investigate people that they don't like to see if they've ever committed crimes. That's an important distinction.

This whole Russian Collusion investigation is precisely targeted at the mid-term elections. It's been a political hit-job from the word go. The Democrats don't even have a campaign platform outside of "we hate Trump, we hate lower taxes, we hate that corporations are growing, we hate that unemployment is going down but it's because of Obama (blatant lie)" etc and it's hard to win an election based on pure negativity.

You want the Dems to run based on "Separating Children from their Parents and Tax Cuts to Billionaires"? LMAO, those are just platitudes, not serious topics. Obama separated children from their families and put them in cages. It's not a "trump policy" like CNN and CBC would have you believe. "Tax cuts to billionaires" is just a stupid comment that comes apart 6 ways from Sunday, but if your precious Bernie Sander gets elected and forms a socialist government in 2020 do you know what happens? People who aren't self-made billionaires will start to run massive government programs and make gobs of money while the country slides downhill due to a general lack of motivation within the population, because if being on the bottom rung of the election ladder is cozy then millions of people will be happy to stay there and drain the economy. Socialism - always - fails. 

This is a Canadian board, you don't need to troll us to influence the election Comrade. 

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10 minutes ago, Boges said:

If Micheal Cohen committed a crime paying off women to influence an election then the person who directed him to do so also committed a crime. 

It's speculation to say that "he paid off women specifically to influence and election", and speculation isn't = a crime was committed. An example of paying women to influence an election would be paying a woman $250K to pretend that she had an affair with someone, or that she was groped, sexually harassed, etc.

He paid them $280K to stay quiet. A divorce would cost him more than that financially, so it's a no-brainer that a guy with Trump's financial standing would pay that kind of money, plus divorce splits his family apart. Custody arrangements etc. 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

It's speculation to say that "he paid off women specifically to influence and election", and speculation isn't = a crime was committed. An example of paying women to influence an election would be paying a woman $250K to pretend that she had an affair with someone, or that she was groped, sexually harassed, etc.

He paid them $280K to stay quiet. A divorce would cost him more than that financially, so it's a no-brainer that a guy with Trump's financial standing would pay that kind of money, plus divorce splits his family apart. Custody arrangements etc. 

Then why is Cohen facing criminal charges?

Oh yeah Witch Hunt. . . forgot. 

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4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Then why is Cohen facing criminal charges?

Oh yeah Witch Hunt. . . forgot. 

What % of lawyers in the US would face criminal charges if they were held to the same level of scrutiny as Cohen? 10%? 25%? 50%?

Is it unusual for lawyers to be charged criminally?

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More than 200 Canadian lawyers who were disciplined by their law societies between 2010 and 2015 misappropriated about $160 million of their clients' funds, a CBC News investigation has found.

But most of those lawyers were never charged with crimes. CBC could find evidence of criminal prosecutions involving fewer than 10 per cent of the total number of disciplined lawyers in that time frame.

An analysis of public records over six years shows law societies sanctioned 220 members for taking or mishandling money from clients or overcharging them, either negligently or intentionally.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/lawyers-misappropriated-millions-1.3981266

That's from Canada, not the US, but criminal charges against a lawyer for the kinds of things that Cohen is being charged for isn't a common occurrance.

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7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

She will in that her story is done, and his will end embarrassingly - but she won't in that she cares about her country.

 

'Tis far better to have won the presidency and been embarrassed, then never to have won it at all.

The Clinton's were routinely "embarrassed" going back to Whitewater with crony convictions and/or civil suits settled out of court.

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

What % of lawyers in the US would face criminal charges if they were held to the same level of scrutiny as Cohen? 10%? 25%? 50%?

Is it unusual for lawyers to be charged criminally?

That's from Canada, not the US, but criminal charges against a lawyer for the kinds of things that Cohen is being charged for isn't a common occurrance.

Then Cohen shouldn't have plead guilty. With the Witch Hunt and all. 

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14 minutes ago, Boges said:

Then Cohen shouldn't have plead guilty. With the Witch Hunt and all. 

Cohen can see which side his bread is buttered on.

Dems have gotten away with election meddling, colluding with Russians, destroying subpoenaed evidence, and the members of the FBI who broke the law acting against the Republicans have faced nothing more serious than being fired or demoted. The FBI even came to the conclusion that the DNC servers were hacked by Russians even though they never got to see them. That's kind of weird.

If I was a slimy lawyer, and I think we can all agree that Cohen is exactly that, then I'd also jump ship to the side that's prosecuting even though they're the ones who were obviously guilty at the outset.

You keep saying "witch hunt" like it's a joke. Can you seriously not see any evidence of a witch hunt yet? 25 members of the FBI/DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned since this "investigation" started 2 yers ago. Do you think this is a normal, shipshape investigation?

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8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You keep saying "witch hunt" like it's a joke. Can you seriously not see any evidence of a witch hunt yet? 25 members of the FBI/DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned since this "investigation" started 2 yers ago. Do you think this is a normal, shipshape investigation?

I'm sure you have views on why Tower 7 collapsed later on in the day and why there are no unedited videos of rockets going to space.

Shipshape organization or not, it was/is one run mostly by Republicans.  

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17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Manafort was facing over 100 years in prison for tax charges from 2005 which the FBI had stopped investigating over a decade ago. Did he admit to something or did he fabricate something? 

Would Hillary (the subpoenaed-email-deleter, primary rigger and debate cheater) have come out squeeky-clean after this type of a witch hunt into her campaign spending? Not a freakin chance. 

Mueller's team is an atrocity against the free world if you're being honest. That's why 25 of his team have been fired, demoted, or have resigned in the last two years. The FBI will take decades to re-establish credibility when all is said and done.

  

The FBI ignored all that Hillary did criminally because they thought that she would win the election. Hillary was an enemy of America where Trump is a patriot for America. If there ever was needed a special counsel it would be one appointed to go after Hillary for all the crimes that she was involved with like Fusion and Russians, email deletions and so much more. The biotch is lucky that she is not in jail today. Trump has nothing on her when it comes to crime.

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18 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

First, I am a Conservative, the Party of Sir John A. MacDonald.  I was pointing out what I believe is the current situation, not what I desire. My personal concern regarding immigration, is a case of numbers. I believe a population of 15 million is the maximum level we can sustain while preserving our wilderness. That wilderness is what makes Canada. I don't care where an immigrant comes from, only that they swear allegiance to the Queen.

That being said, I do not make national policy and nobody gives a darn what I think. If they did, this great country would be even better.

(You would be surprised how many real men wear lingerie.)

I am conservative minded also. But where is Scheer and the Sir John A. MacDonald conservative party on the removal of the statue of Sir John A. that was removed from the front steps of Victoria city hall? I have not heard one peep from them about it. They should have rioted over this. Personally, I do not believe that the conservatives are anymore loyal to Canada than the liberals are. Both appear to have no problem with the old Canada disappearing from view.

Indeed the numbers of immigrants coming to Canada is way out of whack. Canada has just about the same amount of people being born in Canada that are dying every year in Canada. And if anyone that should be concerned about all this massive third world immigration going on into Canada it should be the environmentalists. Their precious trees and animals are being chopped down or are being pushed out of their forest homes. Immigration is a big farce today. It is sad today that we the people are always left out of the loop when it comes to having a say about massive third world immigration and that your concerns about whatever are not listened too by our dear leader politicians.

Only gay or feminist men will wear female lingerie. Now that would really surprise me if real men did wear female lingerie. Of course today we now get to see more men become more like women and women are becoming more like men. Liberalism is not good for real men. Liberalism is now great for men who are not real men anymore but who want to call themselves feminist. Hey, didn't your prime mistake of Canada call himself a feminist? Why would he do that? Any comment on that?

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35 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Cohen can see which side his bread is buttered on.

Dems have gotten away with election meddling, colluding with Russians, destroying subpoenaed evidence, and the members of the FBI who broke the law acting against the Republicans have faced nothing more serious than being fired or demoted. The FBI even came to the conclusion that the DNC servers were hacked by Russians even though they never got to see them. That's kind of weird.

If I was a slimy lawyer, and I think we can all agree that Cohen is exactly that, then I'd also jump ship to the side that's prosecuting even though they're the ones who were obviously guilty at the outset.

You keep saying "witch hunt" like it's a joke. Can you seriously not see any evidence of a witch hunt yet? 25 members of the FBI/DOJ have been fired, demoted, or resigned since this "investigation" started 2 yers ago. Do you think this is a normal, shipshape investigation?

Democrats have got away with every crime on the books. They are immune from none and thanks to Comey all appear to have got off from the crimes they all committed. Deplorable.

Only Trump haters cannot see the truth. Fox news can explain it all to them but they refuse to go there and listen to what people like Hannity have to say all the time about the lying and crooked Hillary and about her merry band of criminals that should be all in jail today. The deep state is still alive and well and is still looking after it's liars and thieves and crooks.

The Mueller joke of the day counsel is only there for one reason only. Go get Trump at whatever cost. But the fool will never get anything on Trump because there is nothing there to get Trump on. All this is doing is costing the American taxpayer's millions of their tax dollars for dik all. It truly is "all a witch hunt" and nothing more. Disgusting.

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4 minutes ago, taxme said:

where is Scheer and the Sir John A. MacDonald conservative party

Sheer is not a member of the Party of MacDonald. The real Conservative Party was murdered, stabbed in the back by that vile Judas, Peter MacKay. Sheer leads the Socialist Credit party, called the CPC. (Communist Party of Canada.) I grew up under those thieving bolsheviks in BC and they are worse than the Trotskyites. Ask any former shareholder in BC Electric. 

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39 minutes ago, Boges said:

I'm sure you have views on why Tower 7 collapsed later on in the day and why there are no unedited videos of rockets going to space.

Shipshape organization or not, it was/is one run mostly by Republicans.  

So you can't see any improprieties. That's alarming. 

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