America under President Trump

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...and that's a good thing.   Bannon has watched previous presidents screw things up, with skin in the game.

Your leader pays more attention to my leader, because he has to.

My leader dances around yours, because he's smarter, and the ladies love him rather than fear him. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Omni said:

My leader dances around yours, because he's smarter, and the ladies love him rather than fear him. 

 

...and he assaults them in Parliament, or poses with them topless for political advantage.

Either way, Trump matters more than Trudeau.

Trudeau and Freeland are still whining about Trump upsetting the international status quo, no longer tolerating NATO/NORAD deadbeats like Canada.

 

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...and he assaults them in Parliament, or poses with them topless for political advantage.

Either way, Trump matters more than Trudeau.

Trudeau and Freeland are still whining about Trump upsetting the international status quo, no longer tolerating NATO/NORAD deadbeats like Canada.

 

You keep saying that while Trump keeps making more and more of a fool of himself. I'd be embarrassed too.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

You keep saying that while Trump keeps making more and more of a fool of himself. I'd be embarrassed too.

 

You still don't get it, and probably never will.

Trump doesn't care....his antics are the new normal.   Trump supporters don't care either.   

Get use to it.   It's not like you will ever stop watching American media anyway.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You still don't get it, and probably never will.

Trump doesn't care....his antics are the new normal.   Trump supporters don't care either.   

Get use to it.   It's not like you will ever stop watching American media anyway.

Trump supporters are about a third of voters, and who are mostly uneducated. That's probably why they don't care. Ain't smart enough I guess.  Anyway, have a nice night.

Edited December 6, 2017 by Omni

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Omni said:

Trump supporters are about a third of voters, and who are mostly uneducated. That's probably why they don't care. Ain't smart enough I guess.  

 

Not likely...many Americans are fed up with politics as usual, regardless of education level.

Trump was elected to break things in Washington...bigly...the more the better.

Wanabes in Canada who "supported" Hillary Clinton never figured that out.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not likely...many Americans are fed up with politics as usual, regardless of education level.

Trump was elected to break things in Washington...bigly...the more the better.

Wanabes in Canada who "supported" Hillary Clinton never figured that out.

And he will probably lead the GOP into the doldrums for some time. Under him the party is imploding. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Omni said:

And he will probably lead the GOP into the doldrums for some time. Under him the party is imploding. 

 

So ?   Doesn't bother me at all...I am not a Republican or Democrat.

 

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St. Laurent, the grandson of former Canadian Prime Minister, Louis St. Laurent, went to Florida to continue his education at the University of Tampa. He stayed there and served as Chief Assistant State Attorney for the Twentieth Judicial Circuit of Florida. Now a citizen of the U.S. he says he has never witnessed an election campaign like this one.

“It was a revolt. That’s the reason I voted for Trump, because I was tired of the establishment in Washington and Wall Street controlling this country, and that means both parties. And here we had a candidate that wasn’t going to be bought off by the special interests”. says St. Laurent

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2016/11/09/trump-victory-and-canadian-snowbirds/

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Here is the U.S. Law that calls for recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and relocation of the U.S. embassy:

 

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(1) Jerusalem should remain an undivided city in which

the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected;

(2) Jerusalem should be recognized as the capital of the

State of Israel; and

(3) the United States Embassy in Israel should be established in Jerusalem no later than May 31, 1999.

 

Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995:

https://www.congress.gov/104/plaws/publ45/PLAW-104publ45.pdf

Edited December 6, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[Scott Mayers]

I understand your concern and agree in part. I would have voted for Hillary and tried to appeal to Americans to do so knowing Trump's potential to win contrary to most doubting it. 

Trump takes a view that believes in a kind of Darwinian reality in the type of "power politics" akin to Greene's "48 Laws of Power". The reality is that such 'laws' actually work, regardless of their callous Machiavellian dog-eat-dog and cruel facts of life. To him, as to many in kind, if one doesn't take such attitude, it only takes one wild dog amongst a field of sheep to cause sufficient fear in the herd to run amok. So, given the chaos in reality, he opts to BE the dog. 

I don't think he actually expected to win the election and likely only opted to run out of emotional rivalry with disdain against those like Obama, who challenged his own perception of his own successes as deluded. He doesn't actually believe in most of what he says literally and expects other to clue into this without having to acknowledge it overtly. To him, as with many, throwing it out there, even IF in error is better than coming off 'nice' but being deceptive via the etiquette we see most practiced by those on the left. It is considered 'snobbish' to many, including myself, to think that an etiquette is more important than being more forward. Also, he is the kind to actually admire the disagreements, contrary to his apparent vile responses. Many today are WAY too sensitive beyond even the norm to such a degree they only have to be set off once to permanently write the one insulting them off permanently.

I disagree with most of his ideas but NOT to his intentions knowing of HOW he thinks. But this is not the case for many of his supporters. However, this too is also the problem on the left today. I think our major problem today is adjusting to a technological world of the Internet and Smart Phones, etc. We need to get through a phase of adjusting to a world that accepts public people as 'flexible' to change. This idea is actually too new and shocking. We used to live in a world where we took any celebrity (any significant popular personalities in any field) as FIXED to some view they were quoted as saying once ANYWHERE in their life. While this is understood by ourselves locally, it is a shock to this new world where everyone is superconnected as we are now.

Another point. The American system is a REPUBLIC, which most of the average people of the world do not quite internalize. That is, the position of the President of the U.S. is NOT as powerful as say, a Prime Minister, or their Royal Aristocratic Kings and Queens. Presidents are able to be in error. The House of Representatives and Senate are what really matters most. The President is just more of the external 'head' to the rest of the world representing the U.S.

I think we just need some time to adjust with the relatively sudden changes and expectations today. It is like we now have the technology of the power in equivalency to mind-reading that just 30 years ago could not even imagine! 

[Michael Hardner]

All ideas merit consideration, but we also need to learn from the past.  

If you are so new to politics that Trump actually seems to be doing well, you should probably listen to both side for awhile.

There are so many people who are put off from politics and unaware that individual actors like Trump could potentially take advantage in a negative way.  I am not arguing that he's doing that, but I am saying that he's not doing well with his agenda as it is.

So if you have spent your life ignoring politics, do the responsible thing and listen to both sides for awhile.

[bush_cheney2004]

Actually, President Trump is doing no better or worse than many U.S. presidents in the past, given the structural limitations, checks, and balances that exist by design.

There is no reason to hold Trump to a different standard.

 

[Michael Hardner]

I would count popular support and major legislation.  On latter, he passed only the tax bill, almost, which is a highly unpopular manifestation of the very same trickle-down economics that gave us NAFTA and that populism turned against.

He is at best a thoughtless button-masher who will succeed by accident.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He is at best a thoughtless button-masher who will succeed by accident.

 

As have many other U.S. presidents...some faring far worse.

The longer perspective of history does not disappear just because Trump is unpopular with some people.

It is also a mistake to confuse Trump's successful dismantling of previous policies as failure.

[GostHacked]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Here is the U.S. Law that calls for recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and relocation of the U.S. embassy:

 

 

Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995:

https://www.congress.gov/104/plaws/publ45/PLAW-104publ45.pdf

US law is not International Law .. Who really gives a shit what the US 'declares'.  It seems to be a battle of the rich, and foreign elements from both Saudi Arabia AND Israel that control the USA.

[-TSS-]

He is a jackass but he is successful. Morons don't get where he is now or where he has been. At least people should have learned by now to stop underestimating him.

 

[Boges]

He knows how to appeal to stupid people. 

[Argus]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Keeping another campaign promise, President Trump is set to formally recognize Jerusalem as Israel's obvious capital and start the U.S. embassy move from Tel-Aviv.

This decision goes way back to 1995 when President Clinton expressed the same policy, but with deferrals for many years.

It serves little purpose, and will unquestionably result in people getting killed and a loss of American influence in the middle east.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

He is a jackass but he is successful. Morons don't get where he is now or where he has been. At least people should have learned by now to stop underestimating him.

It's easy to make a million dollars if you start with a million dollars. Trump's success rests on having a rich father, not his own doing. Most of his businesses have gone bankrupt. There is nothing he has done in his entire life which strikes me as intelligent or perceptive, and he continually says and does idiotic things which hurt himself. Many believe he's inflicted with a mental illness, or perhaps early senility.

[Omni]

Looks like Mueller is moving his investigation ever closer to Trump. He has now subpoenaed records of his financial dealings with one of his major lenders over the years.

 

 https://www.ft.com/content/3c357c9a-d9dc-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

It serves little purpose, and will unquestionably result in people getting killed and a loss of American influence in the middle east.

That means some questions need to be asked of Kushner, as he's been making many trips to Israel for some talks.

[Boges]

Trump's Nazi friends must be pissed he's clearly been infiltrated by Zionists. 

[GostHacked]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Trump's Nazi friends must be pissed he's clearly been infiltrated by Zionists. 

The concern is foreign elements. Or is that only bad when Russia does it?

[bush_cheney2004]

The capital of Israel is Jerusalem. 

Trump haters can ignore this reality if they want.

[GostHacked]

The recognized capital is Tel-Aviv.  Unless Israel wants to make the announcement that they have moved the capital to Jerusalem.