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On 8/12/2017 at 2:09 PM, betsy said:

 

Well, hot enough.....the USA has a permanent air craft carrier in the Pacific:  GUAM!

Guam, another piece of land the deeply evil USA has stolen from its rightful owners. Why does a person, you, who pretends to be a christian support such evil, Betsy. Where is all this much vaunted freedom that the US supposedly brings to people? Such utter crap. You seem highly predisposed to buy into a lot of crap.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/18/threatened-for-being-a-military-island-many-in-guam-dont-even-want-to-be-part-of-the-us.html

Threatened for being a military island, many in Guam don't even want to be part of the US

  • A sizable and growing number of Guam's people are starting to want a say in how the island is run, and that could mean breaking away from the United States, according to residents
  • "Being a U.S. military base makes Guam a target" for attacks, a Guam native said
  • Last Thursday, North Korea threatened to launch four missiles that would hit the waters off the coast of Guam
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11 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Guam, another piece of land the deeply evil USA has stolen from its rightful owners. Why does a person, you, who pretends to be a christian support such evil, Betsy. Where is all this much vaunted freedom that the US supposedly brings to people? Such utter crap. You seem highly predisposed to buy into a lot of crap.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/18/threatened-for-being-a-military-island-many-in-guam-dont-even-want-to-be-part-of-the-us.html

Threatened for being a military island, many in Guam don't even want to be part of the US

  • A sizable and growing number of Guam's people are starting to want a say in how the island is run, and that could mean breaking away from the United States, according to residents
  • "Being a U.S. military base makes Guam a target" for attacks, a Guam native said
  • Last Thursday, North Korea threatened to launch four missiles that would hit the waters off the coast of Guam

 

NK threatened Guam in 2013!  Yes, it's a military island - a "permanent air craft carrier!" :rolleyes:


 

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Nearly everyone expressed some level of concern about the change in rhetoric by both North Korea and the White House, but no one seemed to be suddenly alarmed; virtually everyone said they were going about their business as usual, albeit with a closer eye on the news. Some compared North Korea’s words to more “saber rattling” and likened Kim Jong Un to a “child.” A lot of new memes had begun popping up—bits of timely, locally flavored humor making fun of Kim or island culture, helping to inject some levity into residents’ daily lives.

And yet it’s precisely the U.S. military that’s now the key source of reassurance among the island residents I spoke to. “Nobody I know has panicked,” said Amanda Gima, a 31-year-old financial adviser, who said she’s “fairly confident” in the U.S. ability to protect Guam.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/what-do-people-on-guam-think-about-north-korea/536436/

 

I saw a Guamenian on tv.  She said she went to buy the usual necessities for prep - there's a line-up,  but people were in good humor.  She said the folks were making jokes!

Did they worry?  Of course you would at some extent!  Who wouldn't?  But they took it with a stiff upper lip!

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9 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

NK threatened Guam in 2013!

I saw a Guamenian on tv.  She said she went to buy the usual necessities for prep - there's a line-up,  but people were in good humor.  She said the folks were making jokes!

Did they worry?  Of course you would at some extent!  Who wouldn't?  But they took it with a stiff upper lip!

Why have you ignored the fact that the US has never fulfilled its promises for independence for these peoples and countries since 1898? Why are you such a flaming hypocrite, Betsy?

The US has not only threatened Koreans continually since 1943, they have murdered millions. The US lined up Koreans in front of huge trenches and machined gunned them. Then the US made a propaganda film and tried to blame their evil on the communists. And you buy into all this USA evil, lock, stock and barrel.

I ask again. Why are you such a flaming hypocrite, Betsy?

 

 

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Just now, hot enough said:

Why have you ignored the fact that the US has never fulfilled its promises for independence for these peoples and countries since 1898? Why are you such a flaming hypocrite, Betsy?

The US has not only threatened Koreans continually since 1943, they have murdered millions. The US lined up Koreans in front of huge trenches and machined gunned them. Then the US made a propaganda film and tried to blame their evil on the communists. And you buy into all this USA evil, lock, stock and barrel.

I ask again. Why are you such a flaming hypocrite, Betsy?

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

Here we go again. 

 

A little history about Guam:

 

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The island’s link to the U.S. was cemented after the Spanish-American War of 1898, when it was transferred to the control of the U.S. Navy. It remained a possession of the U.S. until December 1941 when the Japanese invaded and occupied it two days after the attack on Pearl Harbor. The Japanese occupation was brutal—about 1,000 people were killed—and lasted nearly three years. In 1944, the U.S. recaptured the island in a bloody battle against the Japanese.

The island has been a U.S. territory since then. Threats against it—this time by North Korea—could force the U.S. to revisit that bloody history.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/08/what-do-people-on-guam-think-about-north-korea/536436/

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12 minutes ago, betsy said:

A little history about Guam:

"The island’s link to the U.S. was cemented after the Spanish-American War of 1898, when it was transferred to the control of the U.S. Navy."

What part of being owned by the US Navy don't you grasp about not being independent, Betsy? Do you think the US took these possessions without genocides, rapes, murders, ... ? Why are you such a hypocrite? Why do you pretend you are so stunningly naive about US evil? 

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9 minutes ago, hot enough said:

What part of being owned by the US Navy don't you grasp about not being independent, Betsy? Do you think the US took these possessions without genocides, rapes, murders, ... ? Why are you such a hypocrite? Why do you pretend you are so stunningly naive about US evil? 

 

Genocide?  smiley.gif

 

Why are you so angry?  animated-laughing-smiley-emoticon.gif

 

Could it be you got high blood pressure?  Vein popping?  Gee.....you're quick to anger.  All anyone has to do is mention USA.......giggle.gif

And.....you  explode like a suicide bomber..........rolling-on-the-floor-laughing-smiley-emo

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Why does the truth always send you into these childish tirades, Betsy? Your answer to facts is emoticons. How old are you? 

Don't hide your love for USA deep evil under a bushel. Scream out your christian values!

Because emoticons are the best answers to stupidity!   best-devil-smiley-emoticon.gif

 

Like as if I'd take you seriously!  hysterical-laughter-smiley-emoticon.gif

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5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Why does the truth always send you into these childish tirades, Betsy? Your answer to facts is emoticons. How old are you? 

Don't hide your love for USA deep evil under a bushel. Scream out your christian values!

hysterical-laughter-smiley-emoticon.gif

Hide my love?  When it flashes before your eyes like a neon light, bright enough to make you look like this....

pass-out-smiley-emoticon.png

....and you call that hiding?  Oh boy........and you wonder why I don't take you seriously?  :lol:

 

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39 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Yup, Betsy, genocides in Hawaii, the Philippines, ... .

When are you going to start facing up to the truth? It's not god-like to deny reality or to deny the truth.

American Genocide in the Philippines / Filippines

 

 

 

There was no genocide, believe me!  What you're showing are the consequences of war.  All wars are ugly. 

 

The USA was the best thing that has happened to the Philippines!  From being kept under the oppressive rule of Spain,  democracy were brought in by the Americans.

 

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The history of the Philippines from 1898 to 1946 began with the outbreak of the Spanish–American War in April 1898, when the Philippines was still part of the Spanish East Indies, and concluded when the United States formally recognized the independence of the Republic of the Philippines on July 4, 1946.

With the signing of the Treaty of Paris on December 10, 1898, Spain ceded the Philippines to the United States.[1]

The interim U.S. military government of the Philippine Islands experienced a period of great political turbulence, characterized by the Philippine–American War.

Beginning in 1901, the military government was replaced by a civilian government—the Insular Government of the Philippine Islands—with William Howard Taft serving as its first Governor-General. From 1901 to 1906 there also existed a series of revolutionary governments that lacked significant international diplomatic recognition.

Following the passage of the Philippine Independence Act in 1934, a Philippine presidential election was held in 1935. Manuel L. Quezon was elected and inaugurated second President of the Philippines on November 15, 1935. The Insular Government was dissolved and the Commonwealth of the Philippines was brought into existence. The Commonwealth of the Philippines was intended to be a transitional government in preparation for the country's full achievement of independence in 1946.[2]

After the Japanese invasion and subsequent occupation of the Philippines during World War II, the United States and Philippine Commonwealth military recaptured the Philippines in 1945.

According to the terms of the Philippine Independence Act,[2] the United States formally recognized the independence of the Republic of the Philippines on July 4, 1946.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines_(1898–1946)

 

That many would die during the war between US and Philippines, does not constitute a genocide.  That's wartime!  Of course, people will die.  People who are ill-equipped for war will take on a lot of casualties- what do you think?  You must be among the stupid fools who look at war as a game.

Genocide is the systematic  and deliberate killings of a particular race.

 

 

From centuries of oppression under Spain.......... it took only half a century under the Americans, and the Philippines was given its independence.  USA continues to be a friend to the Philippines to this day.

 

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U.S. Special Ops Sent to Philippines to Help in Fight Islamist Militants

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-special-ops-sent-philippines-help-fight-islamist-militants-n770596

 

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8 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Just another colonial war as the Philippines traded one colonial overlord for another.

Three centuries under Spain..... vs...... half-a century under the USA (and Philippines gained its independence).   

No....I wouldn't call that "just another colonial lord after another."

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5 minutes ago, betsy said:

Three centuries under Spain..... vs...... half-a century under the USA (and Philippines gained its independence).   

No....I wouldn't call that "just another colonial lord after another."

Of course it was. The Americans kicked the Spanish out and took over themselves. If the Japanese hadn't invaded and upset the colonial applecart in Asia, they might still be there.

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45 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Yup, Betsy, genocides in Hawaii, the Philippines, ... .

When are you going to start facing up to the truth? It's not god-like to deny reality or to deny the truth.

American Genocide in the Philippines / Filippines

 

 

 


 

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The general population, caught between Americans and rebels, suffered significantly.

At least 200,000 Filipino civilians lost their lives as an indirect result of the war mostly as a result of the cholera epidemic at the war's end that took between 150,000 and 200,000 lives.[154]

Atrocities were committed by both sides.

 

The poorly equipped Filipino troops were easily overpowered by American troops in open combat, but they were formidable opponents in guerrilla warfare

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines

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37 minutes ago, betsy said:

That many would die during the war between US and Philippines, does not constitute a genocide.  That's wartime!  Of course, people will die.  People who are ill-equipped for war will take on a lot of casualties- what do you think?  You must be among the stupid fools who look at war as a game.

A war? That's just more BS. The US was supposed to be liberating the Philippines. Why would a million have to be slaughtered by the usa to liberate people. Do you have the slightest grasp of what 'liberate' means? The US certainly doesn't.

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Genocide is the systematic  and deliberate killings of a particular race.

You really ought to understand things before you widely display your ignorance, Betsy. 

But again, why is a supposed christian trying to provide cover for such deeply evil people? Actually, it makes sense as that is what "christians" have been doing since forever. 

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The Philippines Genocide 3 million Filipinos Killed

 

I first came across references to the Philippines Genocide in 2009 and since then have spent a lot of time researching it. I have discussed it with many people, it seems people in the Philippines are not taught about the genocide and very few have even heard of it.

The fact that it is not taught and so few know about it did make me question if it really happened. So I dug much deeper and have come to the conclusion it did happen, but as the victors write the history books they tried to cover it up because it  was so horrific.

Counting skulls from the Philippines Genocide

Figures do not add up

What brought me to the conclusion that it did happen is the figures in the history books which simply do not add up. The History books that were written by the victors claim somewhere between 200,000 to 300,000 died in that period, which is still a large number considering the population of the Philippines at the time was no more than 9 million.

200,000 to 300,000 dead just can not be correct. A People’s History of the United States (1980) cites 300,000 Filipinos killed in Batangas alone, that alone proves the figures wrong, William Pomeroy’s American Neocolonialism (1970) cites 600,000 Filipinos dead in Luzon alone by 1902. This is backed up by General Bell himself, who said “we estimated that we killed one-sixth of the population of the main island of Luzon—some 600,000 people.”

E. Ahmed’s wrote “The Theory and Fallacies of Counter-Insurgency,” The Nation, August 2, 1971.“the bloodiest colonial war (in proportion to population) ever fought by a white power in Asia; it cost the lives of 3,000,000 Filipinos.”

Filipina historian the late Luzviminda Francisco carried out a thorough investigation of the Philippines Genocide and documented it, she arrived at the figure of 1.4 million Filipinos dead. The End of An Illusion (London, 1973). However, this only covered the period from 1899 to 1905 it does not cover the first 2 decades of U.S. colonial rule a time when the killing might have slowed but was still happening to keep the people in order, it also does not include the thousands of Filipino Muslims (Moros) that were brutally killed.

[READ ON, AS I KNOW YOU WILL, AT,]

https://britsinthephilippines.top/philippines-genocide-3-million-filipinos-killed/

 

 

U.S. GENOCIDE IN THE PHILIPPINES AND THE CONTINUING STRUGGLE FOR NATIONAL-DEMOCRATIC LIBERATION

http://www.academia.edu/26239244/U.S._GENOCIDE_IN_THE_PHILIPPINES_AND_THE_CONTINUING_STRUGGLE_FOR_NATIONAL-DEMOCRATIC_LIBERATION

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18 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Of course it was. The Americans kicked the Spanish out and took over themselves. If the Japanese hadn't invaded and upset the colonial applecart in Asia, they might still be there.

It's not the same, Wilber.


 

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United States policies towards the Philippines shifted with changing administrations.[143] During the early years of territorial administration, the Americans were reluctant to delegate authority to the Filipinos, but an elected Philippine Assembly was inaugurated in 1907, as the lower house of a bicameral legislature, with the appointive Philippine Commission becoming the upper house.

When Woodrow Wilson became U.S. president in 1913, a new policy was adopted to put into motion a process that would gradually lead to Philippine independence.

In 1902 the United States forced the Filipinos to accept the nationality of the Philippine Islands as one of the method towards home rule policy Jones Law, passed by the U.S. Congress in 1916 to serve as a new basic law, promised eventual independence. It provide for the election of both houses of the legislature.

In socio-economic terms, the Philippines made solid progress in this period. Foreign trade had amounted to 62 million pesos in 1895, 13% of which was with the United States. By 1920, it had increased to 601 million pesos, 66% of which was with the United States.[166] A health care system was established which, by 1930, reduced the mortality rate from all causes, including various tropical diseases, to a level similar to that of the United States itself.

A new educational system was established with English as the medium of instruction, eventually becoming a lingua franca of the Islands. The 1920s saw alternating periods of cooperation and confrontation with American governors-general, depending on how intent the incumbent was on exercising his powers vis-à-vis the Philippine legislature. Members to the elected legislature lobbied for immediate and complete independence from the United States. Several independence missions were sent to Washington, D.C. A civil service was formed and was gradually taken over by Filipinos, who had effectively gained control by 1918.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Philippines

 

The road map to independence was already being undertaken, way before the Japanese occupation.  So, that debunks your theory.

 

Anyway....let's get back to the topic - America under Trump.  The Philippines isn't one of the states, and no longer a territory  of the USA.

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America under Trump means..........going to war with the goal TO WIN!

TO WIN!

War isn't a game, folks.  So don't give us that liberal bull about being fair.   Your method of fighting  war, is what's really costing so many lives - military, and civilians!

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