Wilber Posted May 30, 2017 Report Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bob Macadoo said: .....ummmm Harper didn't take over during economic depression.....if you believe do nothing governments have an affect on the economy.....I don't. He formed a minority government in 2006 and the meltdown was two years in. He was running surpluses until after the melt down when the opposition was calling for even bigger deficits. I think both of them did a pretty good job under the circumstances and both of them made some mistakes. Only partisan hacks can maintain ether one was a disaster. Edited May 30, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Bob Macadoo Posted May 30, 2017 Report Posted May 30, 2017 .....neither was a disaster......I just don't put stock on this "steady hand on the wheel" crap that was touted daily.....the PM has little influence on overall economy....just picking localized winners/losers resulting in a zero-sum game. 13 minutes ago, Wilber said: He formed a minority government in 2006 and the meltdown was two years in. He was running surpluses until after the melt down when the opposition was calling for even bigger deficits. I think both of them did a pretty good job under the circumstances and both of them made some mistakes. Only partisan hacks can maintain ether one was a disaster. Quote
Wilber Posted May 30, 2017 Report Posted May 30, 2017 They all pick winners and losers, governing is about making choices. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Omni Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 Macron describes the now (in)famous Trump handshake as "Diplomacy by public abuse". Trudeau was prepared for it when he went to Washington. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 President Trump need only remind Macron and the rest of Europe what Charles de Gaulle did to NATO if they keep bitching about the strength of the alliance, Article 5, and demands for 2% defense spending as required: Quote On June 21, 1966, France made the somewhat shocking move to withdraw its troops from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). This decision led by French president Charles de Gaulle complicated relations between the U.S. and Europe amidst clashing American and Communist spheres of influence. Though France remained politically in NATO, its actions cast doubt onto the organization’s future as a counter to Soviet military power and influence. http://adst.org/2014/06/france-has-degaulle-to-withdraw-from-nato/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: President Trump need only remind Macron and the rest of Europe what Charles de Gaulle did to NATO if they keep bitching about the strength of the alliance, Article 5, and demands for 2% defense spending as required: Stop making wars, especially the illegal ones like Iraq, and you'll save money Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) The U.S. didn't start Canada's empire world wars...but it sure as hell finished them. ...and NATO was born. Edited May 31, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. didn't start Canada's empire world wars...but it sure as hell finished them. ...and NATO was born. Kinda late in WWII. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) Yes...Germans were kicking your empire's ass (again)...France was already occupied. These are the same people whining today about Trump and NATO. Pay up or shut up....NATO deadbeats! Edited May 31, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hal 9000 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. didn't start Canada's empire world wars...but it sure as hell finished them. ...and NATO was born. Look, you sit there thinking that the strength of the USA military is somehow reflective of you - very weird...but whatever, anyway to go forth and diminish anything that that the Canadians did in either World War is way out of line. It wasn't until Trudeau sr. that Canada became pussified. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Omni said: Kinda late in WWII. Even later in WWI Edited May 31, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Look, you sit there thinking that the strength of the USA military is somehow reflective of you - very weird...but whatever, anyway to go forth and diminish anything that that the Canadians did in either World War is way out of line. It wasn't until Trudeau sr. that Canada became pussified. Has nothing to do with me...I served long after NATO was born. I just wanted to point the history for these nations who are suddenly so worried about Trump and NATO. If Canada wishes to remain a NATO deadbeat, then don't bitch about U.S. "isolationism" 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 WW2 was the UK's last real Act of Empire. Unless you count the Falklands. It took the combined might of ALL the Allies...even de Gualle's pesky Free French...to reign-in the juggernaut that was the Third Reich. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wilber said: Even later in WWI Wilson ran on keeping the US out of European Wars. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: Even later in WWI The dumbest British empire war of all...and more Americans died in it than Canadians even with a very late start. Europe...the gift that kept on giving...errr...taking. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The dumbest British empire war of all...and more Americans died in it than Canadians even with a very late start. Europe...the gift that kept on giving...errr...taking. Almost...Canada had more combat deaths. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) The Americans suffered so badly in WWI because their commanders used the same dumb tactics the other allies had abandoned earlier in the war. Too arrogant to learn from other's mistakes. Kind of like the second Happy Time of WWII Edited May 31, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
DogOnPorch Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 In WW2 three things really mattered...in Europe that is. A] Winning the Battle of the Atlantic. B] The Bomber Offensive...Canada, Britain and the US in particular played major roles. C] Keeping Russia fed, fueled and armed. These were the guys that actually fought the Germans. The Second Battle of Kharkov (for example...one of MANY) makes any battle fought in Western Europe look like a wee skirmish. 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: The Americans suffered so badly in WWI because their commanders used the same dumb tactics the other allies had abandoned earlier in the war. Too arrogant to learn from other's mistakes. Kind of like the second Happy Time of WWII Agreed...the Americans refused to take any advice from the Europeans...at first. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Wilber said: The Americans suffered so badly in WWI because their commanders used the same dumb tactics the other allies had abandoned earlier in the war. Too arrogant to learn from other's mistakes. Kind of like the second Happy Time of WWII Another good reason to leave Europe to fend for itself, just as "East German" Merkel wants for her own political fortunes. Too bad it will be the Polish who get screwed the most...again. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: In WW2 three things really mattered...in Europe that is. ...C] Keeping Russia fed, fueled and armed. These were the guys that actually fought the Germans. The Second Battle of Kharkov (for example...one of MANY) makes any battle fought in Western Europe look like a wee skirmish. And guess who did the most to keep the Russians fed, fueled, and armed...the Americans. This seems to be a recurring theme with these Euro deadbeats. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Another good reason to leave Europe to fend for itself, just as "East German" Merkel wants for her own political fortunes. Too bad it will be the Polish who get screwed the most...again. You mean Mutti, the new Leader of the Free World? Edited May 31, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Wilber said: You Mutti, the new Leader of the Free World? No, it's Angela Merkel, self appointed leader of Free Europe. She can fight it out with France and the post-Brexit UK. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 I realize that it may still be relatively early in Trump's mandate but let's recap at least some of what we have so far: in the news today: Kellyanne Conway is trying to downplay the investigation by the FBI into Kushner's Russian connection, the previous FBI leader fired because he was getting too close to discovering Trump's Russian connection, one long term European ally saying they can't really depend on the US anymore (Germany), another long term European ally saying Trump is just a bully (France), a number of potentially impeachable offences having been committed, and a rate of money wasted on flying AF1 to play golf that could soon exceed the previous POTUS over two terms. And what exactly has got done? I think there was one executive order that didn't get blocked by the courts. What else have I missed? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Another good reason to leave Europe to fend for itself, just as "East German" Merkel wants for her own political fortunes. Too bad it will be the Polish who get screwed the most...again. Oh...we all learned the hard way, too, in WW1. Don't let them fool yez...lol. 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: And guess who did the most to keep the Russians fed, fueled, and armed...the Americans. This seems to be a recurring theme with these Euro deadbeats. Yes indeed. As we've discussed in the Iran threads, the Persian Corridor gave Russia all the fuel and trucks it needed to haul those huge artillery pieces. Not only that...the US built a large, rather unsung amount of Canadian infrastructure in Western Canada. The airport in my fair city for example...on the Lend Lease Route/Alaska bound. One of MANY built by US Engineers...with a bit of Canadian help, I'm sure. But mostly US Engineer Corp troops... Edited May 31, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted May 31, 2017 Report Posted May 31, 2017 All but the dimmest must realize by now that Trump is not a "leader". Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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