Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Well, I don't compare Hillary and Bill with Ivanka, so if Ivanka turns out to be corrupt as the Clintons surely are, then it will not be awesome. If she puts the money - all of it towards helping women, then that will be awesome. At this point, you'd have to be totally bias to already be against her. Also, I don't think Ivanka needs to bilk people out of money. She might since her business is failing. She may just be a chip off the old block as they say. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 From what I understand, she won't be handling the money. Whatever...The Clintons and their foundations are corrupt - only a no-mind disputes that. Ivanka has done nothing to show that she is corrupt. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
DogOnPorch Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Ivanka needs to be corrupt ∴ Ivanka is corrupt. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) Trump is a businessman...he doesn't give a hoot about poor human rights nor to SA's notorious affiliations to ISIS, Boko Haram Al Qaeda. This whole "show trial" by Trump with a gesture towards saudi king is nothing but just usual rhetorics to the mullahs in Iran and pleasing certain mouthpiece in that area... Notice in his press conference in Israel he made a reference to Iran not being a danger to Israel but to the whole world...(allegedly after signing a $110bn with saudi arabia) Something that Bibi pathetically failed to emphasise and has affected his popularity miserably. The thing that is very hypocritical is for America to let these savage wahhabi sunni groups to show their military muscles through these deals but if Iran exercises the right to carry out military exercises for her defense in the region then it is subject to criticism and scrutiny...It is these short sighted policies blinded by arms deals that breeds more extremism and religious and sectarian violence and inevitably forms of terrorism by wahabism ideology across Europe and elsewhere. Edited May 23, 2017 by kactus 1 Quote
kactus Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 Trump's master Theresa May will give him guidelines after the Cobra meeting this morning.... Quote
Boges Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment? - Donald Trump. Michael Flynn just took the Fifth. Edited May 23, 2017 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Ivanka needs to be corrupt ∴ Ivanka is corrupt. Her husband almost certainly is. Quote
Wilber Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: From what I understand, she won't be handling the money. Whatever...The Clintons and their foundations are corrupt - only a no-mind disputes that. Ivanka has done nothing to show that she is corrupt. It's hilarious how many of their formerly professed principles Republicans have had to abandon just to support this guy, his nepotism and his family taking advantage of their positions in government to advance their interests. We don't know who handles any of the Trump family's business or how involved they are personally because unlike other people in their position, they don't have to say. Here is another one. White House tries to block ethics waver disclosures. These were routinely posted under the Obama administration. Edited May 23, 2017 by Wilber Sp Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Goh Shenas Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Wilber said: It's hilarious how many of their formerly professed principles Republicans have had to abandon just to support this guy, his nepotism and his family taking advantage of their positions in government to advance their interests. We don't know who handles any of the Trump family's business or how involved they are personally because unlike other people in their position, they don't have to say. Here is another one. White House tries to block ethics waver disclosures. These were routinely posted under the Obama administration. President Trump is the best thing happening for US. It's because of liberals bickering and putting him under spotlight he gets so much attention. Quote
Argus Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: Well, I don't compare Hillary and Bill with Ivanka, so if Ivanka turns out to be corrupt as the Clintons surely are, then it will not be awesome. But... the money foreign countries like Saudi Arabia gave to the Clinton Foundation was one of the key pieces of 'evidence' held up by the American Right to support their belief she was corrupt in the first place. Now it doesn't count?! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Hal 9000 said: From what I understand, she won't be handling the money. Whatever...The Clintons and their foundations are corrupt - only a no-mind disputes that. Really? Even though you have zero evidence the Clinton foundation is corrupt? Even though it was investigated and given a clean bill of health? I mean, it's spending money on helping poor people around the world, not buying portraits of Clinton or paying for fountains outside her office, the way the Trump foundation did. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Argus said: Really? Even though you have zero evidence the Clinton foundation is corrupt? Even though it was investigated and given a clean bill of health? I mean, it's spending money on helping poor people around the world, not buying portraits of Clinton or paying for fountains outside her office, the way the Trump foundation did. It would take a criminal conviction for Ivanka (maybe not even then) but when it comes to the Clintons, any belches from Faux and Friends or right wing blogs are considered irrefutable proof. Edited May 23, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 39 minutes ago, Argus said: But... the money foreign countries like Saudi Arabia gave to the Clinton Foundation was one of the key pieces of 'evidence' held up by the American Right to support their belief she was corrupt in the first place. Now it doesn't count?! I don't give a good god damn who they took money from, sure there is hypocrisy from the Clintons but that wasn't and still isn't my argument. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 This Russian collusion thing keeps getting deeper. "Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump asked two of the government's top intelligence chiefs to publicly deny evidence of cooperation between his campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, multiple current and former US officials confirmed to CNN Monday." http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-community/ Quote
Hal 9000 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, Wilber said: It would take a criminal conviction for Ivanka (maybe not even then) but when it comes to the Clintons, any belches from Faux and Friends or right wing blogs are considered irrefutable proof. The Clintons (and their friends/relatives) took every dollar they could from Haiti and left them destitute. No, it would not take a criminal conviction to be against Ivanka, it would take something close to the despicable actions of the Clintons. However, for you people, all you need to crucify her is the knowledge that she is starting a foundation - right? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Omni said: This Russian collusion thing keeps getting deeper. "Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump asked two of the government's top intelligence chiefs to publicly deny evidence of cooperation between his campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, multiple current and former US officials confirmed to CNN Monday." http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-community/ I see how this is being spun, but does this mean that Trump asked them to bury evidence or did Trump ask them to confirm what many in the intelligence community were saying - that there was no evidence of collusion? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: The Clintons (and their friends/relatives) took every dollar they could from Haiti and left them destitute. No, it would not take a criminal conviction to be against Ivanka, it would take something close to the despicable actions of the Clintons. However, for you people, all you need to crucify her is the knowledge that she is starting a foundation - right? Who is crucifying her? I haven't called her a criminal or even corrupt. I just laugh at hypocracy of people who decry the Clintons when their foundation accepts a donation from the Saudis, and then declare that Ivanka accepting ten times as much is just "awesome" and quite ethical. Edited May 23, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Hal 9000 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Wilber said: Who is crucifying her? I haven't called her a criminal or even corrupt. I just laugh at hypocracy of people who decry the Clintons when their foundation accepts a donation from the Saudis, and then declare that Ivanka accepting ten times as much is just "awesome" and quite ethical. I guess i'll have to slow it down for you! I- Couldn't -Give -A -Rats -ASS-Who- HILLARY -Took money -FROM, MY- Issue -with -HILLARY -Is- Where -The- MONEY- Went. And, when did I ever say anything about ethics? The only ethics I care about is where the money goes. Now, if Ivanka suddenly ends up able to account for only less than 10% of the money, then it's question time, until then - It's awesome. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 14 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: I see how this is being spun, but does this mean that Trump asked them to bury evidence or did Trump ask them to confirm what many in the intelligence community were saying - that there was no evidence of collusion? Ha asked them to do something that was clearly unethical, which is why they both refused. It's fairly simple to understand that if you ask someone to conclude the findings of an investigation while it's far from complete, you may be up to no good. Get it? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 7 hours ago, kactus said: The thing that is very hypocritical is for America to let these savage wahhabi sunni groups to show their military muscles through these deals .... But it's OK for Trudeau/Canada to have billion$ in arms and oil services deals with "these savage wahhabi sunni groups" while claiming to be the world's leader for human rights ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: I guess i'll have to slow it down for you! I- Couldn't -Give -A -Rats -ASS-Who- HILLARY -Took money -FROM, MY- Issue -with -HILLARY -Is- Where -The- MONEY- Went. And, when did I ever say anything about ethics? The only ethics I care about is where the money goes. Now, if Ivanka suddenly ends up able to account for only less than 10% of the money, then it's question time, until then - It's awesome. So you don't think the origin of donations can have any influence on policy? You would be fine with donations from organized crime as long as you thought they were going to a good cause? Just waiting for Trumps latest book. Ethics are for Dummies and Losers. Should be a yuge seller amongst his followers. The Clintons in Haiti Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Omni Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But it's OK for Trudeau/Canada to have billion$ in arms and oil services deals with "these savage wahhabi sunni groups" while claiming to be the world's leader for human rights ? I thought someone who follows CBC/Canada so closely would know the Saudi deal was a Harper/Canada one. Reneging on an already signed deal could impede a country's ability to conduct international trade. Or would you support cancelling the deal with SA once Trump is impeached? Quote
taxme Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 On 5/19/2017 at 6:59 PM, Omni said: You apparently don't, based on what you're saying. Yes the investigation goes on. That does not change the fact Comey was the investigator and was fired, and if Trump did in fact say what he is reported to have in an Oval Office meeting, the firing is clearly obstruction. It matters not a whit in law, that the firing didn't actually stop the investigation. Sort of like when Billy Clinton took AG Loretta Lynn at the time aside and asked her to stop all investigations against Hillary. But we won't mention that. Quote
taxme Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 6 hours ago, Wilber said: It's hilarious how many of their formerly professed principles Republicans have had to abandon just to support this guy, his nepotism and his family taking advantage of their positions in government to advance their interests. We don't know who handles any of the Trump family's business or how involved they are personally because unlike other people in their position, they don't have to say. Here is another one. White House tries to block ethics waver disclosures. These were routinely posted under the Obama administration. The Clinton's used their positions to advance their interests and their foundation. Oh, I forgot, only the Trump's are capable of doing such unprincipled things. Liberals? A waste of what should be a useful and intelligent brain. Liberals are just unable to think before they speak. Quote
taxme Posted May 23, 2017 Report Posted May 23, 2017 On 5/19/2017 at 2:37 PM, Queenmandy85 said: I don't know if President Trump or Secretary Clinton are guilty of anything. Each are presumed innocent unless proven guilty. I don't hate either of them. Politics in the USA and, to a lesser extent, in Canada have become too partisan. Democracy functions best if two political opponents can vehemently disagree and then go have coffee together. We are losing respect for those with whom we disagree. It really doesn't matter if one is liberal or conservative, the solution to problems is the same. The best political leader is the one who, when pushed out of power, can laugh about it. The democrats refuse to let the loss of the election go, and refuse to go for a coffee together later. Quote
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