DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: Several reasons. But perhaps the words of a wise, old sage ring true in this case - "Economics trumps virtue". The pass they get is that H-Bombs are perhaps not needed if the POS Saudis actually fight terrorism. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Several reasons. But perhaps the words of a wise, old sage ring true in this case - "Economics trumps virtue". What "wise old sage" was that I wonder, or just under scoring the hypocrisy? 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Omni said: What "wise old sage" was that I wonder, or just under scoring the hypocrisy? You decide. You always do Quote
Omni Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: You decide. You always do Just wondered who you were trying to quote. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The pass they get is that H-Bombs are perhaps not needed if the POS Saudis actually fight terrorism. I have no doubt they will fight the terrorism that they see fit to fight, while continuing to assist, allow, or fund, the terrorism that furthers their own stinky agenda. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Omni said: Just wondered who you were trying to quote. I'm sure the master will soon reveal himself to you, if you don't know. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, dialamah said: It wasn't that I disagreed with everything the speech said, but that the hypocrisy just turns my stomach. Sanctioning Iran, while pretending that SA has had nothing to do with terrorism? Congratulating SA on the way in which they seek the best for their citizens while ignoring their blatant and horrific human rights abuses? I kind of get why this happens, and no doubt JT would do something similar were he speaking in SA, but I certainly don't have to like it. So you don't think Iran is a world's biggest state-sponsor of terrorism? You don't understand that SA is an ally of the U.S. in the fight against Islamic terrorism? What would you do differently? Edited May 21, 2017 by blackbird 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I have no doubt they will fight the terrorism that they see fit to fight, while continuing to assist, allow, or fund, the terrorism that furthers their own stinky agenda. Perhaps likely if a stick is not present. Only a carrot. But is a stick present?? We shall see, I guess. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, blackbird said: So you don't think Iran is a world's biggest state-sponsor of terrorism? You don't understand that SA is an ally of the U.S. in the fight against Islamic terrorism? What would you do differently? I think Saudi Arabia is responsible for most of the terrorism in the world today. It has spent tens of billions promoting its rigid Wahabi version of Islam around the world, and all major terrorist organizations subscribe to it, including ISIS, Al Quaeda and Boko Haram. And while it officially doesn't fund these groups you can be sure a lot of rich Saudis contribute. 1 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 Couldn't help noticing the Sauds started out the visit by presenting the Donald with their highest award, a gold chain and medal that was obviously calculated to flatter him. A lessor man than Trump might well wonder what the hell he'd done to deserve a medal, much less this great big clunky gold chain, but I'm sure 'deserve' has never really entered his mind. It struck me as them giving a shiny gold bauble to please the little boy and keep him happy during the ceremony. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: Couldn't help noticing the Sauds started out the visit by presenting the Donald with their highest award, a gold chain and medal that was obviously calculated to flatter him. A lessor man than Trump might well wonder what the hell he'd done to deserve a medal, much less this great big clunky gold chain, but I'm sure 'deserve' has never really entered his mind. It struck me as them giving a shiny gold bauble to please the little boy and keep him happy during the ceremony. The entire setting was designed to flatter. Talk about grandiose! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
blackbird Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Argus said: I think Saudi Arabia is responsible for most of the terrorism in the world today. It has spent tens of billions promoting its rigid Wahabi version of Islam around the world, and all major terrorist organizations subscribe to it, including ISIS, Al Quaeda and Boko Haram. And while it officially doesn't fund these groups you can be sure a lot of rich Saudis contribute. Interesting perspective. I don't know if it's a fact or not. How could I know? If what you're saying is a fact, why doesn't the U.S. know about it? Quote
dialamah Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Interesting perspective. I don't know if it's a fact or not. How could I know? If what you're saying is a fact, why doesn't the U.S. know about it? They 'don't know about it' because SA has oil and SA is buying billions of dollars of arms. What more reason would they need for being 'deaf, dumb and blind'? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: They 'don't know about it' because SA has oil and SA is buying billions of dollars of arms. What more reason would they need for being 'deaf, dumb and blind'? That would be Saudi Arabia's stick...oil price manipulation. Anybody who experienced the so-called "Energy Crisis" in the 1970s recalls Saudi Arabia using it as a way to attempt to get the West (all of it) from supporting Israel in the...wait for it...Yom Kippur War. Bully tactics...and those that remember it do not look favorably upon it. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, blackbird said: Interesting perspective. I don't know if it's a fact or not. How could I know? If what you're saying is a fact, why doesn't the U.S. know about it? Of course they know about it. But they're in a quandary. First, how do you tell religious people not to propagate their religion, not to encourage others to take it up, not to teach it or export it? Particularly when there are so many US missionaries abroad? Combine that with them being major oil exporters, and having major influence throughout the Muslim world, and the amount of contracts they give out to American corporations, and that they cooperate (somewhat) with the US in providing information on their enemies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Denying Hillary takes money from the Saudis. eh? Good for you. Denying the Trump women take money from the Saudis eh? Good for you. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, Argus said: Couldn't help noticing the Sauds started out the visit by presenting the Donald with their highest award, a gold chain and medal that was obviously calculated to flatter him. A lessor man than Trump might well wonder what the hell he'd done to deserve a medal, much less this great big clunky gold chain, but I'm sure 'deserve' has never really entered his mind. It struck me as them giving a shiny gold bauble to please the little boy and keep him happy during the ceremony. Like when Obama received the Nobel "peace prize", mere days after being elected. You want to talk about deserve? Find something useful to criticize. Quote
dialamah Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Like when Obama received the Nobel "peace prize", mere days after being elected. You want to talk about deserve? Find something useful to criticize. I remember thinking that was ridiculous, and I liked Obama. He has never deserved it despite his rhetoric. Still I do think he really did his best for Americans overall and expect history will consider him one of the best presidents, when objectivity prevails. Quote
Omni Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 Just heard a comment from Robert Baer during a live interview saying words to the effect that 'he isn't totally trusting of the relationship with the Saudi's, but at least it's a bit better than on 9-11'. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, dialamah said: I remember thinking that was ridiculous, and I liked Obama. He has never deserved it despite his rhetoric. Still I do think he really did his best for Americans overall and expect history will consider him one of the best presidents, when objectivity prevails. (drum roll, a bugle plays "Hail to the Chief") Children: We are the mediocre Presidents. You won't find our faces on dollars or on cents. There's Taylor, there's Tyler, there's Fillmore and there's Hayes, There's William Henry Harrison. Harrison: I died in thirty days! Children: We... Are... The... Adequate, forgettable, Occasionally regrettable Caretaker Presidents of the U.S.A.! (bugle plays "Hail to the Chief," trombone plays "Shave and a Haircut," tuba plays "Two bits") (applause) Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: (drum roll, a bugle plays "Hail to the Chief") Children: We are the mediocre Presidents. You won't find our faces on dollars or on cents. There's Taylor, there's Tyler, there's Fillmore and there's Hayes, There's William Henry Harrison. Harrison: I died in thirty days! Children: We... Are... The... Adequate, forgettable, Occasionally regrettable Caretaker Presidents of the U.S.A.! (bugle plays "Hail to the Chief," trombone plays "Shave and a Haircut," tuba plays "Two bits") (applause) Haha, funny. Not even kidding. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Haha, funny. Not even kidding. The Simpsons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8N7BSsU5oo Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, dialamah said: They 'don't know about it' because SA has oil and SA is buying billions of dollars of arms. What more reason would they need for being 'deaf, dumb and blind'? Same reason that Canada uses while selling $15 billion in arms to the Saudis. More Americans have been killed by Germans or Japanese than Saudis. The U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia goes way back, and like many other presidents, Trump understands and wants to continue U.S. foreign policy for S.A. FDR meets with King Abdulaziz in early 1945: 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Omni said: Denying the Trump women take money from the Saudis eh? Good for you. She is behaving like Hillary, in my opinion...except she's not running for political office. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted May 21, 2017 Report Posted May 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Same reason that Canada uses while selling $15 billion in arms to the Saudis. More Americans have been killed by Germans or Japanese than Saudis. The U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia goes way back, and like many other presidents, Trump understands and wants to continue U.S. foreign policy for S.A. FDR meets with King Abdulaziz in early 1945: GREAT AND GOODFRIEND: I have received the communication which Your Majesty sent me under date of March 10, 1945, in which you refer to the question of Palestine and to the continuing interest of the Arabs in current developments affecting that country. I am gratified that Your Majesty took this occasion to bring your views on this question to my attention and I have given the most careful attention to the statements which you make in your letter. I am also mindful of the memorable conversation which we had not so long ago and in the course of which I had an opportunity to obtain so vivid an impression of Your Majesty's sentiments on this question. Your Majesty will recall that on previous occasions I communicated to you the attitude of the American Government toward Palestine and made clear our desire that no decision be taken with respect to the basic situation in that country without full consultation with both Arabs and Jews. Your Majesty will also doubtless recall that during our recent conversation I assured you that I would take no action, in my capacity as Chief of the Executive Branch of this Government, which might prove hostile to the Arab people. It gives me pleasure to renew to Your Majesty the assurances which you have previously received regarding the attitude of my Government and my own, as Chief Executive, with regard to the question of Palestine and to inform you that the policy of this Government in this respect is unchanged. I desire also at this time to send you my best wishes for Your Majesty's continued good health and for the welfare of your people. Your Good Friend, FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT His Majesty ABDUL AZIZ IBN ABDUR RAHMAN AL FAISAL AL SAUD King of Saudi Arabia Riyadh (April 5th, 1945) Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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